how does someone in their twenties have such a profound understanding on what it was like to tour with Phish in the early 90's?

As far as the trading of tapes electronically - that was a carryover from people who did the same thing for the Dead. Phish was by no means one of the first bands to make active use of the internet; they merely used a template that had already been established by Deadheads.

6/8/2008 11:22:10 AM

Quote :

"well, time to start saving up for a fall tour!!!!! "

6/8/2008 4:29:01 PM

im pretty sure al gore invented the internet to trade grateful dead tapes

6/8/2008 5:00:11 PM

Quote :

"Phish was by no means one of the first bands to make active use of the internet"

actually yes they were, third if i correctly remember what i've read, rec.music.phish created in 1992

[Edited on June 8, 2008 at 9:14 PM. Reason : fourth actually, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec.music.phish]

6/8/2008 9:08:39 PM

^i was waiting for that

6/8/2008 9:22:55 PM

Phish was like an episode of my life. I neither regret it nor reminisce about it. I do think Phish is talented, there's no mistaking that. What I've come to dislike is their style, and yes, their songwriting ability is far inferior to a lot of good acts out there (even though some of their songs are very well-written), but it really doesn't matter with the amount of improvisation and talented playing ability that can carry them through concerts and so forth whilst providing the audience with the feeling that the money was well spent.

The thing I dislike most about their style in particular is how "soft" their guitars sound and how hokey a lot of their material is. Anyway, I was by far a bigger Grateful Dead fan (and still somewhat am) than I was a Phish fan.

But even if I was still a Phish fan, I still feel there should be a limit on how long you carry your acts out; for example, I LOVE the Stones - they're probably my favorite band. But I wouldn't go to one of their shows if you paid me. Their music sucks now, they're sellouts, etc. It's the same with the Dead. The 80s and beyond were the worst times for the Dead, and if I were a fan of theirs while Garcia were still alive, I wouldn't have gone to see one of their shows; simply because of how their guitars have "matured" over the decades...

6/8/2008 9:35:32 PM

^ It's not like every band has overstayed their welcome though. REM has been around for 28 years and, personally, I think their new album is some of their strongest material. Same with U2. They have been around for 30 years and are just as vital and important as ever. There are many other examples and these are just 2 that I pulled off the top of my head.

That being said, who cares if they are no longer vital? I just went to see Jimmy Buffett last night and he hasn't done anything significant in 20+ years. But the show was awesome. Everyone had fun and everyone went home happy. I can't really come up with a reason where something like that is a bad thing. If you like the music then you like the music.

6/8/2008 10:29:23 PM

Haha, Phish just has a big stigma with me.

Saying you like Phish is a strong statement.

6/9/2008 12:17:08 AM

I mean, the Phish farewell tour? That was like an all-you-can-rape buffet.

6/9/2008 1:52:01 AM

^i love that line, where have i seen that before?

6/9/2008 9:26:37 AM

Quote :

"But even if I was still a Phish fan, I still feel there should be a limit on how long you carry your acts out; for example, I LOVE the Stones - they're probably my favorite band. But I wouldn't go to one of their shows if you paid me. Their music sucks now, they're sellouts, etc."

gotta disagree with you on that one. seeing the rolling stones in concert is like seeing the sistine chapel, or michelangelo's david . you know theyre old as hell and were alot more pristine in their prime and some of the work has faded, but the brilliance and superiority they carry is still there. if you ever get the chance to see them, you realize you may never be able to see it in person again (maybe why over 1 million people gathered in rio de jeneiro for a concert)

ive been listening to the stones my whole life and never saw them in person, but when i saw them in durham, it became surreal. it takes so long for it to actually sit in that Mick jagger and keith richards are right in front of you playing the music that has been cherished across the globe for almost a half a century. these guys are legends, and 40 years into their career, there is no signs of letting up. for almost three hours, they played everything you'd expect to hear, and each one is a classic in a league of its own. no other band besides, the beatles, can do that.

that concert left me speechless, i was expecting to see old men barely able to finish a show, and was shocked. they have remained fully entact for almost half a century. the same band at monterey pop was there in durham. they play every concert like it could be their last, because well, it could be.

you see pictures of the sistine chapel and michelangelo youre whole life, you listen to the stones on the radio all of your life ... and if you see them in person, you respect their work so much more and realize just how special they are.



[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 9:57 AM. Reason : asedf]

6/9/2008 9:55:46 AM

^^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zvTRQr7ns8

6/9/2008 4:40:45 PM

hahahahahahaha nice

6/9/2008 7:42:22 PM

Quote :

"good songwriting>>improvisation "

This is an argument that would never end and never be won.

Quote :

"Improvisation is the true showcase of talent and so if they suck at improvising then they obviously aren't very talented"

Phish are incredible improvisers. They've panned off as they've gotten older, but some of their material from '94-95 is some of the best improvisation I've ever heard from any rock band.

And I actually agree with most of what Scrumples is saying.

6/9/2008 11:14:59 PM

all debate in this thread could be solved by listening to 12/11/97

Set I: Punch You in the Eye, Down With Disease> Maze, Dirt, Limb By Limb, Loving Cup, Rocky Top
Set II: Drowned> Roses are Free> Big Black Furry Creature from Mars, Ghost> Down With Disease, Johnny B Goode
Encore: Waste


if you can't get in to that, lord help you.

you get some of Phish's best

- elaborate trippy jamming (complete with Trey's 'siren' loop) on "Ghost,"
- epic rock improvisation on Drowned,
- guitar solo pwnage on DWD, Maze, and Johnny B Goode
- concert singalong glee on "Punch You in the Eye" and "Roses are Free,"
- quality songwriting in "Limb by Limb" and "Waste"
- the Phish-is-notable-for-silliness trampoline type shit with BBFCM

nothing to hate, everything to love about that band

6/10/2008 9:54:37 AM

Lots of shows:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p8WKkpP-TKpO1VnQgcff6EQ


from hoydog23 on phantasytour:
http://phantasytour.com/phish/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=1606248&page=1

Quote :

"Just a reminder, for those of you who don't already have this bookmarked, that I have created an online spreadsheet to host all the mediafire links that BizarroJerry and I have uploaded over the last 4-5 months. The spreadsheet is being updated on a daily basis, but here is what you will find on there currently: 83-87 - 36 shows 1988 - 36 shows 1989 - 52 shows 1990 - 35 shows ---------------- 1996 - 4 shows 1997 - 71 shows 1998 - 70 shows (every show) 1999 - 63 shows (every show) 2000 - 52 shows (every show) Like I said, it is updated daily...BizarroJerry is going forwards through his collection (currently in the middle of 1990) and I am going backwards through mine (about to start 1996 after filling in some holes in 1997)."

6/10/2008 1:20:54 PM

^Think you can find me one of those for the Dead?

6/10/2008 4:55:43 PM

^ here ya go

http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator

^^ thanks, now that sugarmegs is down i need a fix from somewhere

6/10/2008 6:37:03 PM

Yeah, I knew about that one, but they're all really shitty quality audience dubs @64kbps. I didn't realize Jerry's wife or whomever basically banned people from sharing those good quality soundboard recordings online.

It sucks too, because there's a lot of shows from circa 1970 I'd love to have if the quality was right...

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 6:42 PM. Reason : k]

6/10/2008 6:42:29 PM

you wont find soundboards traded via internet, those are owned by the band

6/10/2008 6:52:41 PM

archive.org used to have sbds for the dead. a buddy of mine dl'd all of the shows they had posted (100s) while they were still up. sucks that you can't get them as easily anymore.

6/10/2008 8:01:58 PM

Fuck it. If anybody has any Dead shows from 69-71 that HAVE NOT been released on Dick's Picks or some other commercial disc AND are soundboard recordings, please PM me. I'd be very interested in getting those. I'm pretty pissed at myself for missing the damned boat when all these things were available for free.

PS - it's pretty funny how some of you were complaining about the Dead thing and now I'm posting this in ur thread. LOL.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM. Reason : k]

6/10/2008 10:11:22 PM

the shows on http://www.nugs.net sound pretty good, but theres no much choice

6/10/2008 11:18:27 PM

There is some GOOD shit on archives.org, but it's only streamable now. Makes me so fucking mad.

6/10/2008 11:20:03 PM

i usually just read the comments, people usually say whether or not the sound sucks

6/10/2008 11:23:23 PM

Not that I listen to Dave Matthews, but if you've ever heard one of their audience recordings for a show, you'd laugh your fucking ass off at the quality.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 11:30 PM. Reason : k]

6/10/2008 11:30:46 PM

prolly b/c those chumps dont take that shit seriously

6/10/2008 11:51:31 PM

Well, it's a bunch of teenie boppers and so forth screaming, ruining the sound and overall it's just stupid to even record such an event.

You'd get the same results trying to record the Beatles live in the middle 60s.

6/10/2008 11:58:07 PM

i had a friend invite me to see dmb at walnut creek

it was easily the worst audience lawn i'd ever been to

the crowd pretty much treated it as a frat house party band backdrop and wasn't there to listen to jack spittle

6/10/2008 11:59:04 PM

was that recently?

ive wondered what their scene is like with all the teenie boppers weeded out

[Edited on June 11, 2008 at 12:11 AM. Reason : .]

6/11/2008 12:11:27 AM

4-6 years ago maybe?

i grew up in harrisonburg, va and charlottesville is only like 45 min over the mountain from there so i was pretty burned out on dmb by like 1995

i do, however think that the recently ep is a fine piece of work

the live version of "halloween" on that thing still sends shivers up my spine

6/12/2008 7:49:20 PM

One of the single greatest Phish shows was the epic 7.22.97 show at Walnut Creek and now it is available at LivePhish.com

http://www.livephish.com/show.asp?show=414

If you don't download this you will regret it.

6/19/2008 12:44:04 AM

i was there

EPIC

FACE

MELTER

6/19/2008 10:00:29 AM

http://phish.com/news/index.php?year=2008#story394

wow i didnt realize that its gonna be a dvd, def gonna get this, hands down one of the most amazing shows ive ever seen

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1616690665

trey graduates drug court! lol

[Edited on June 21, 2008 at 8:24 PM. Reason : .]

6/21/2008 8:18:28 PM

^first phish show i ever went to

6/21/2008 11:05:06 PM

more rumors

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003819385

lillywhite did billy breathes which was their best studio album imo, interesting news

[Edited on June 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2008 1:40:20 PM

letter from page

http://phish.com/news/index.php?year=2008#story396

Quote :

"A LETTER FROM PAGE 06.26.08 Given the volume of speculation and rumors that have bubbled up recently, I have been asked to make a statement…Here goes. For me, the last four years have been great. I’ve spent quality time with my family and have watched my daughter grow. I took great pleasure and pride in writing and recording an album. I’m living a healthy lifestyle. I travel as little as possible and I sleep in my own bed. It took a couple of years after the break up to begin talking to my old band mates, but once the conversations began to flow it wasn’t long before the friendships were rekindled. And I can honestly say that I’m closer with all of them now then I’ve ever been in our 20-year relationship. Recently the conversations have turned toward the possibility of spending some time together. Currently many of us have plans and projects already in the works, most notably Mike, who made a great album and is about to hit the road in support of it. Given that I might not even see some of the guys for the next six months, I would say that the announcement of a reunion is premature. However, later this year we hope to spend some time together and take a look at what possible futures we might enjoy. In fact the only real decision that has been made is that when we do get together, it will only be the four of us, hopefully with no distractions. I am really looking forward to that. I want to say just a few more things. The prospect of Phish reuniting is something I consider very seriously, and I think about it a lot. And lastly, as always, there is plenty of misinformation floating around. Try not to focus too much on secondhand sources and random gossip. If there is anything real to announce, it will come from the four of us as a group. Until then, Page"

thats pretty much saying "its gonna happen but calm the fuck down cuz its still a ways off"

ill take it

also various rumors confirming other rumors, apparently the bands had several dinners together and have spoken with lillywhite about directing the next album per http://www.phish.net , but no legitimate source

6/26/2008 8:29:40 PM

and since page tells us not to focus on rumors and gossip lets do the exact opposite!!!!!!

apparently the bonnaroo people and the manchester chamer of commerce has opened the bonnaroo festival site to other events and phish is in the works of securing their own festival there, once again this is just unsubstantiated baseless rumors from phantasytour

Quote :

"The truth about Phish and Bonnaroo is this; Is Phish playing Bonnaroo Yes Is Phish playing The Bonnaroo the music festival No Phish has a hold on Bonnaroo in the early spring and fall next year. They will be playing their own festival there, No other bands. Just them on the roos land with us. This has been in the works for 2 months. The show is not 100% but most likely it will happen. I spoke to two people who have confirmed this. They are waiting to see what the band decides but this will be the first festival back. "

Quote :

"the roo land has been officially opened up for other uses, and the phish to play the farm rumor was floating around months and months ago. many reasons why this would work. proven organizational system of the site, coran capshaw's involvement with trey, the phish, and roo, etc. "

Quote :

"Russ Bennett, the artistic director of Bonnaroo is the guy who sets up the grounds, lays out the stages, decides how many portopotties, all that stuff. He got his start doing festivals cause he was an artist that Phish choose to do the Clifford Ball. They liked him, so he did the Went and on and on it goes. Just saying... "

Quote :

"They will be playing their own festival there, No other bands. Just them on the roos land with us. This has been in the works for 2 months. The show is not 100% but most likely it will happen. I spoke to two people who have confirmed this. They are waiting to see what the band decides but this will be the first festival back. ::Bookmarks thread:: "Why would Phish want to pay AC/Superfly to rent the land((Who know how much money is involved??)) when they can rent an old airforce base or something of the sort for pennies??? AC/Superfly own the land and are going to want crazy money. " Because for the money spent they would get crowd control, traffic management, grounds mgmt, etc. Things they (the band) themselves would not have to worry about since they will likely have a scaled down organization. Just pay, and the shit gets taken care of. Outsourcing baby! This seems like it could be a legit option... "

[Edited on June 26, 2008 at 9:04 PM. Reason : .]

6/26/2008 9:04:29 PM

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/06/26/phish-reunion-mike-gordon-is-optimistic-says-band-met-with-lillywhite/

mike chimes in and confirms the lillywhite rumor

7/4/2008 1:16:44 PM

awesome.

7/4/2008 6:04:17 PM

mike and trey both played at rothbury today

trey played an acoustic set earlier that mike sat in on for 2 new presumably phish songs and chalkdust

mikes playing his set now

***official setlist***
Rothbury Music Festival July 6th 2008
GBOTT >
Brian + Robert
Water in the Sky
Driver
Inlaw
Farmhouse
Let Me Lie (GRAB)
Sample in a Jar
Banter- Joke about being arrested
Mountains in the Mist
Sleep Again
Velvet Sea
Waste
Backwards Down the Number Line (New Song #1) *With Cactus
Alaska (New Song #2) * With Cactus
ChAlKdUsT ToRTuRE * With Cactus

http://www.mlive.com/music/index.ssf/2008/07/half_of_a_phish_reunion_at_rot.html

[Edited on July 6, 2008 at 6:46 PM. Reason : and at this very moment trey and fish have joined mike at his set]

7/6/2008 6:31:26 PM

well they reunited a few days ago to play at road manager brad sands wedding

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/09/08/phish-reunite-for-first-time-in-four-years-to-play-wedding/

short clip of julius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GggIZoC5X-Q

stewart copeland (police drummer) playing with the wedding band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ6mYF_Z-Eo&feature=related

[Edited on September 11, 2008 at 1:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/11/2008 1:01:22 PM

it's all happening..

9/11/2008 3:21:27 PM

Lets all pray really hard that they are done. That is one of the shittiest bands ever. And not to mention their fucking fans annoy the shit outta me.

9/11/2008 4:44:01 PM

weve never heard that before

9/11/2008 5:08:27 PM

Phish is the absolute worst.

9/12/2008 3:38:52 PM

I had something to post in here, but I fell asleep thinking about Phish and forgot what it was.

9/12/2008 4:02:33 PM

from phish.com

Quote :

"Phish returns to the stage for three concerts at the Hampton Coliseum in Hampton, Virginia on March 6, 7 and 8, 2009. A limited number of tickets are available directly through Phish Tickets' online ticketing system at http://phish.portals.musictoday.com/ . The ticketing request period is currently underway and will end on Wednesday, October 8th at 11:59AM EST. Tickets go on sale to the public on Saturday, October 18th at 10 AM EST and may be purchased online at http://ticketmaster.com or by phone at 757.671.8100, 757.872.8100 or 804.262.8100. Tickets will not be available at the venue box office and there is a two-ticket limit per show. The band intends to announce additional touring in 2009 early next year."

meh...

10/1/2008 9:04:05 AM

meh? There's no other place I'd like to see them come back...maybe MSG. I'll be there if I get tickets, already have the hotel.

10/1/2008 11:51:59 AM

yeah, this will be next to impossible getting tix to... at least w/out paying above face, which i won't do.

10/1/2008 12:38:30 PM