khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
i disagree with said list. humanities degrees are really versatile AND maybe you won't get the most high paying job if you do something that deals directly with your major (which a lot of people in humanities/social sciences don't) but i feel like people actually enjoy what they are studying. like it isn't just mere preparation for a job. i dunno i majored in political science and philosophy. which i agree, maybe not the most useful in terms of jobs that deal directly with your major, but i really liked what i got out of both of them.
and i'm pretty sure i'd enjoy studying anything on the list of worthless majors (well maybe not comm or dance) 6/4/2008 3:17:34 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
i have a humanities degree and i support myself just fine by playing music and proofreading
so it's pretty swanky 6/4/2008 3:18:40 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " Here’s the bad news, if an employer is going to hire someone to help decipher how human beings communicate, he’s going to hire someone with the letters “Dr.” before their name, not the person who first checks to see if a class is offered online, then when they find out it’s not, let’s out a “gaaaaay bro.”" |
hahahhahaahahah6/4/2008 3:18:43 PM |
nothing22 All American 21537 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but do you think you got the job because you had a communications degree or because of your resume/personality/experience?" |
both
one inserted the key, the other turned it6/4/2008 3:19:19 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "khcadwal All American 2970 Posts user info edit post i disagree with said list. humanities degrees are really versatile AND maybe you won't get the most high paying job if you do something that deals directly with your major (which a lot of people in humanities/social sciences don't) but i feel like people actually enjoy what they are studying. like it isn't just mere preparation for a job. i dunno i majored in political science and philosophy. which i agree, maybe not the most useful in terms of jobs that deal directly with your major, but i really liked what i got out of both of them " |
shut the fuck up hipster6/4/2008 3:19:30 PM |
nothing22 All American 21537 Posts user info edit post |
i hated majority of the classes i had to take
it was like eating tomatoes to shit a salad 6/4/2008 3:21:37 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "MAN I REALLY WANT THAT N64 BOWL PIECE. LIKE A LOT" |
6/4/2008 3:22:51 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
i liked my classes. well the upper level ones. all the intro and gen ed classes sucked. 6/4/2008 3:23:32 PM |
ddf583 All American 2950 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^ that is a very hipster mindset. Isn't the primary reason you go to college supposed to be preparation for getting a job?
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vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
gen ed sucks
but even the intro classes i had were pretty good aside from the whiny engineers and business majors who complained about having to write so much
with that said, i took intro classes that i didn't know much about, like west african lit, and i also skipped freshman english so there was no tedious bullshit
^ you go to college to learn. learning != preparing for a job. it can be both, but they're not the same thing. ] 6/4/2008 3:26:38 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
horticulturist and forestry students can be pretty worthless if all they do is work at starbucks, attempt to start their own floral conservancy initiatives and break out massive plant identification guides and key random plants during inappropriate times...like during weddings and in malls
Quote : | "that is a very hipster mindset. Isn't the primary reason you go to college supposed to be preparation for getting a job? " |
umm...yea, howd you figure that one out?
i mean thats the only way you arent spending four years.....or the next 50 years...flushing your money down the toilet
[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 3:30 PM. Reason : x]6/4/2008 3:27:53 PM |
Kodiak All American 7067 Posts user info edit post |
should have been the first reply to the thread:
[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 3:34 PM. Reason : argh] 6/4/2008 3:28:10 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
don't let heather see that you wrote "should of" 6/4/2008 3:28:52 PM |
ddf583 All American 2950 Posts user info edit post |
it looks like he could of benefited from an English major 6/4/2008 3:30:33 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
if you are going to college just to learn, there are plenty of authors who have went to college for you in the past dont waste your own time
[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 3:31 PM. Reason : x] 6/4/2008 3:31:07 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
this is a perfect example of why english majors will always be able to find work
people can't write to save their lives 6/4/2008 3:32:54 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
you mean this is why english majors will always have an internet forum to terrorize because their asses will never find a real career, and struggle to hold regular jobs 6/4/2008 3:34:22 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
i don't need a regular job
i get paid $38 an hour to proofread 6/4/2008 3:34:44 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
i like to learn therefore i am a hipster. thanks everyone for clearing up my identity problems. well guess i'm off to dye my hair black and....oh yea i have a nose piercing appt at 4. and i still have to read the independent and wash my skinny jeans. what else is on my list? ahhh yes from 6-8 i will be at cup of joe smoking cigarettes and pondering the ways of the world.
oh sweet jobless life of a humanities major. 6/4/2008 3:34:45 PM |
Kodiak All American 7067 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "don't let heather see that you wrote "should of"" |
Whatever. Descriptive grammar FTW.6/4/2008 3:35:07 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "oh sweet jobless life of a humanities major." |
basically6/4/2008 3:35:48 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "oh sweet jobless life of a humanities major." |
haha i went to an arts highschool and that so describes quite a few people i know. Atleast they don't at all have related jobs. Why i went into engineering and not music or theatre.6/4/2008 3:40:09 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
so they have sweet lives and you don't?
i'm not following. 6/4/2008 3:41:04 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
thats the thing, you can find more instances of the stereotype than instances of decent human beings that went through with these shit majors
its like a few boulders in a gravel pit
Quote : | "thanks everyone for clearing up my identity problems. well guess i'm off to dye my hair black and....oh yea i have a nose piercing appt at 4. and i still have to read the independent and wash my skinny jeans. what else is on my list? ahhh yes from 6-8 i will be at cup of joe smoking cigarettes and pondering the ways of the world. " |
i wasnt aware that that is an example of a sweet life
[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 3:42 PM. Reason : z]6/4/2008 3:41:37 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
see that describes NO ONE i know.
(hence the sarcasm) 6/4/2008 3:41:39 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
i get paid to play music that i love
and i get paid to be a grammar nazi
and then i do what i want all day
it's pretty fucking sweet 6/4/2008 3:44:01 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
congratulations, maybe they should put your face on a billboard 6/4/2008 3:49:29 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^ dude i was replying to your (and the other) remark(s) about being a hipster. that was sarcasm.
obviously i majored in humanities (see above), obviously i am happy with that, obviously i am not jobless, and obviously i don't calculate the worth of my degree on salary. oh and obviously i thought your remarks were ignorant and idiotic which was supposed to be conveyed by sarcasm. but i guess that is something that is only taught in worthless majors.
what i meant was that people who like to learn or who appreciate their degree for more than the X salary it brings in do not = hipsters.
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vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
probably not
my royalty structure is front-loaded 6/4/2008 3:50:33 PM |
PirateARRRny All American 1260 Posts user info edit post |
I know a girl who's majoring in Geography... because she likes maps... 6/4/2008 3:51:23 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
well...most people dont have maps
so at least theres a need for geography 6/4/2008 3:52:01 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "what i meant was that people who like to learn or who appreciate their degree for more than the X salary it brings in do not = hipsters." |
well if you wanna spend your life doin meth and hopping trains because that life has value to you what can i say6/4/2008 3:53:06 PM |
tsavla All American 6787 Posts user info edit post |
^^ but we got GPS already?
[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 3:53 PM. Reason : ^] 6/4/2008 3:53:25 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
hopping trains can be fun and profitable
meth, not so much 6/4/2008 3:53:57 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
you cannot hop trains without meth and/or poverty being involved
its just not possible, they are peas and cornbread...corned beef and cabbage 6/4/2008 3:55:05 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "what i meant was that people who like to learn or who appreciate their degree for more than the X salary it brings in do not = hipsters." |
i agree with that. that was silly to label that "hipster". There's quite a few more strict characteristics you have to maintain before you become a hipster. None of you read the Hipster Handbook?6/4/2008 3:55:27 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
now that you mention it i do have a pretty terrible case of meth mouth.
see
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ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
i mean thats where youre headed 6/4/2008 3:55:53 PM |
tsavla All American 6787 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The Over-Rated College Education
by Daniel L. Nice As a society, we place too much importance on "education", and too little importance on real learning and accomplishment. No where is this more epitomized than in college education.
Is college for everyone? As a society, the answer is "yes, as long as you can find some way to afford it". But what happens at college? Students are educated in many areas, but how much do they learn?
College advocates argue that a liberal arts education, while perhaps not directly relevant, will always provide a good foundation because students will "learn how to learn". Such a rationale is beside the point. While they may learn to learn by taking a liberal arts education, could they not also do so by many other less expensive means? Indeed, much of what college students pick up on the side such as dealing with people of different cultures and backgrounds can be picked up by simply working a job where one deals with the public, such as the food-service industry. The same can be said for responsibility, accountability, and others. In this case, the subject is being paid for learning, not going into debt.
A college degree is overrated at best. Most true learning that does take place at college is on the students' own time. While some professors may offer question and answer times, most lecture during class and expect the students to manage their incomprehension by means of studying or by a volunteer tutor. So, a degree from a college says only that a student has been able to teach himself what he was expected to learn.
While some students may require such a structured program to learn, many do not. Consider the would-be student who does not like school. He is not necessarily lazy, but he is interested in practical application of what he learns, and he is interested in one particular area. Students like this commonly have remarks such as "he is not working to his ability" made about them in high school, and few go on to college. Of those that do go to college, most will drop out. Why have they seemed so uninterested in "their studies"? Often, they are busy learning about something that IS relevant on their own, and between providing the means to pursue it (working) and pursuing it, they have little time left for being "educated".
"Such people do not belong in college" would be the common response. Of course, then society will downplay their skills, or otherwise underpay them forever simply because they are good independent self-motivated learners who found a better way than "the system" to learn.
College has distorted true learning terribly. When asked what a student's goals are in high school, students respond with what college they wish to attend. College simply extends the required education period mandated by the government while accomplishing little or no more than a good high school/trade school combination in many career paths.
Why should anyone's goal be school? Of course we are always learning, but, after basic skills are acquired, is school the most efficient way to learn anything? Indeed, most college graduates do not end up with a job in their major, and liberal arts supporters will argue their case using this. What is really significant, however, is that these people are TRAINED by the employer for the position, and they use the college degree as a sort of elimination factor before any real screening takes place. It is a falacy that a student can walk out of college prepared to handle any job, reguardless of his major, yet that is exactly what liberal arts supporters are suggesting. (Being too well-rounded is pointless.)
College tuition is another factor that prevents many from attending. These "nonprofit institutions" are second only to the Federal government for wasting money. As is noted above, little is done at college by the colleges that justifies such astronomical tuition rates. More class time is spent by the average high school student than college students. Is that not what we are paying for? Colleges will scream "we have better facilities", but such expenses are nominal compared with the sum of only a few students' tuitions, especially since much of the money for new facilities comes by way of donation or by government grants. What then is the tuition money for? No answer that would satisfy those who pay the tuition can be given.
But that is only half of it. Since most students (read: their parents) cannot afford college, the government gives them the money. Of course, these are only the poor families. Those students who have been industrious by working on their own are penalized for doing so by not getting as much or any help. They are either forced into debt over college from the government "aid" in the form of loans, or they must attempt to work their way through, which is increasingly impossible.
College becomes yet another way for the government to attempt to "equalize" the population, in accordance with their socialistic perspective on everything. College takes money from the rich, gives money to the poor, and keeps the middle class working harder and harder. Since the government feeds this corrupt system, tuition will continue to skyrocket and the true purpose of college will continue to diminish.
The more employers hire by degree instead of by qualification, the more of our heritage we wash down the drain. Instead of finding one's own way to success, Americans are forced into the "system" if they hope to accomplish anything, or so they are taught by their school and their parents. " |
6/4/2008 3:57:49 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you cannot hop trains without meth and/or poverty being involved" |
you can if boredom is involved
i mean, we live in RALEIGH6/4/2008 3:57:57 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
good post tsalva
ive learned very little sittin at a desk, at best ive only been interested in what a prof merely touches on and research it on my own, most of you fuckin ass holes get your good grades by bitching to professors about how you b+ should be an A and askin for extra time to get shit done
if i missed a project, fuck it. if i got a c+ or a low b, fuck it im not gonna be some asshole all up in a professors face, i take the grade i earn i know how hard i worked on it (or didnt) i just manned up and took my grade
no i didnt do extra credit either, i didnt feel there was any benefit to doing it just to bolster my grade
if i was interested in the point of the assignment i just...fuckin read about it
yall fuckers get these great grades by just pimpin the system and playin the game, i mean shit and it works in the real world to but the difference is in the real world you get paid for it and in college your payin these fuckheads to teach you how to cut corners
[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 4:05 PM. Reason : x] 6/4/2008 3:59:33 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "good post tsalva" |
Yeah i enjoyed that.6/4/2008 4:04:13 PM |
bigun20 All American 2847 Posts user info edit post |
I don't understand why you would goto college here and major in CHASS. You mineswell keep your money and start making rugs and sellin them at foodlion. 6/4/2008 4:05:39 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
i mean maybe i dont get to walk across the stage with a rope around my neck (haha how many of my forestry co-majors wanted to see a rope around my neck anyway) but im doin good now good job, know how to have fun, and pursuin athletic dreams
and a good little bit of trivial knowledge too 6/4/2008 4:06:44 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
this is just the dumbest thread ever. minus the other 5293748239 on the same topic 6/4/2008 4:07:05 PM |
vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
^^^
i got to have the author of one of my favorite books as my advisor
you can't beat that ] 6/4/2008 4:07:09 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
well yeah there are much better schools for humanities than nc state. 6/4/2008 4:07:16 PM |
khcadwal All American 35165 Posts user info edit post |
who cares. there are better schools than nc state PERIOD. 6/4/2008 4:08:10 PM |
nothing22 All American 21537 Posts user info edit post |
i went to state cause i was guaranteed a room with A/C
my chances weren't so good at carolina 6/4/2008 4:08:42 PM |
ZomBCraw Suspended 6999 Posts user info edit post |
hahah
see with my major, I am pretty fuckin sure there are very few schools better than NCSU
haha thats funny, poor gal
Quote : | "i went to state cause i was guaranteed a room with A/C
my chances weren't so good at carolina " |
holy shit dude, are fuckin serious? u arent plannin on leavin that up there are you
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