I noticed that you refused to respond to any of the data in the ANWR thread once you realized you had lost the battle.

6/6/2008 2:44:18 PM

holy fuck, prawn star just pwned the fuck out of Stimwalt

damn son. immortal ownage on that one. lol

6/6/2008 2:44:51 PM

^did i miss something?

6/6/2008 2:47:31 PM

^^Actually it was directed at nutsmackr

Enough of this bullshit though. Moron, do you think Iran is a "essentially a democracy", as you put it? Or do you simply think that the people there would like for it to be a democracy? They are not the same thing.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 2:48 PM. Reason : 2]

6/6/2008 2:48:27 PM

if i may speak for him, i think he's saying that many of them are on our side and are pushing towards more democracy.

6/6/2008 2:49:15 PM

democracy =! civil liberties.

6/6/2008 2:50:57 PM

Democracy != Unelected 'Guardian Council'

6/6/2008 2:53:53 PM

Democracy = Unelected Supreme Court

6/6/2008 2:55:24 PM

Leave it to a liberal to try and argue that Iran is democratic.

6/6/2008 2:56:30 PM

They don't do thinks just like us here. Let's bomb them.

6/6/2008 2:58:19 PM

^ Because that's what everyone has been saying in this thread.

That post was rather Rat-like. Good going.

6/6/2008 3:01:29 PM

Quote :

"do thinks "

6/6/2008 3:02:26 PM

Quote :

"^ It clearly is more democratic than most of the middle east, and as least as democratic as Russia."

Russia, even with the recent crackdowns, is more democratic than Iran. C'mon, how can you have a democracy without opposition? Sure, they have elections, but those elections are simply to participate in the Islamic Republican Party. And if candidates are not deemed "suitable" by the guardian council, they are banned from running for office. Any independent party that attempts to gain political power is declared illegitimate.

Tell me, does that sound like a democracy to you?

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 3:03 PM. Reason : 2]

6/6/2008 3:02:33 PM

Once again Prawn star lands maximum pwnage on the nutsmackr

holy god

6/6/2008 3:04:21 PM

Quote :

"how can you have a democracy with only 1 political party?"

was the southern united states not a democracy when the only political party was the democrats? What about the United States of America after the destruction of the Federalists and only the Democrat-Republicans were around?

Russia basically has one political party right now, the "We Love Putin" Party.

Don't be quick with your absurd ill-founded analogies.

As for banning political parties? That happens all the time in WEstern Europe. You should pull your head out of your ass at least once. You might actually enjoy the sunlight.

Also, forgot to mention, the Peoples Republic of North Korea has multiple political parties. Does that make them democratic?

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 3:05:21 PM

Aaahh, yes, I've seen the light now. All that time when we thought the USSR was communist, they were really a democracy because they held elections for their dictators. So what those guys got 99% of the vote.

BRILLIANT!

6/6/2008 3:10:58 PM

Quote :

"McCain wants to bomb Iran"

i agree with stantheman

6/6/2008 3:12:41 PM

Fuck, what are we talking about here.


Back to the topic. I would switch from "undecided" to "McCain" if Obama continues to push his massive spending proposals, and cannot articulate how we are going to pay for them. As it stands, I expect a strong pivot to the center, with less of an emphasis on government spending and more on his differences with Bush, and by extension McCain.

6/6/2008 3:15:34 PM

Quote :

"Aaahh, yes, I've seen the light now. All that time when we thought the USSR was communist, they were really a democracy because they held elections for their dictators. So what those guys got 99% of the vote. "

Someone misses the point entirely.

6/6/2008 3:16:35 PM

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[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 3:18:46 PM

^^Yeah, I think we're both missing the point and derailing the thread.

Back on topic, the fervor of Obama supporters compared to the lukewarm reception that McCain gets is one of the biggest factors in this election. I can't see any scenario where McCain "steals" a significant portion of current Obama supporters, unless the race becomes extremely racially polarized. Therefore, McCain's best bet is probably to hold on to his supporters as best he can, try to snag some independents, and hope for the best.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 3:20 PM. Reason : 2]

6/6/2008 3:20:21 PM

^

no...

you just stated it

his best bet is to make it racially polarized

duh...

and, the RNC is going to do just that

6/6/2008 3:29:02 PM

Quote :

"If McCain wants to bomb Iran, then Obama wants to invade Pakistan."

Quote :

"Quote : "McCain wants to bomb Iran" i agree with stantheman"

I want to roll my eyes, but I must admit I lol'd.

6/6/2008 3:39:22 PM

^^We'll see. That strategy could backfire and haunt them for years. Decades even.

People don't forget dirty tricks in politics. The Republicans already have a bad name in that regard, and trying to "Jesse Helms" this election would sacrifice the party's political future.

I can see a few crazies on the right making racist remarks and trying to stir the pot, but I doubt you'll see a concerted effort on the part of the RNC to make this election all about race. Maybe a little subversive innuendo and associations with controversial black leaders, but that's mostly fair game.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 3:41 PM. Reason : 2]

6/6/2008 3:39:26 PM

Quote :

"Maybe a little subversive innuendo and associations with controversial black leaders, but that's mostly fair game. "

that's exactly what I think they'll do, and no, it's not "fair game"

they will push the race line as far as they can

in every possible subtle way

because they're the conservative party

6/6/2008 3:44:23 PM

Nastoute,

Yah!! The Republicans are so mean and nasty. We Democrats are so much smarter!

Remember when they accused John Kerry of relentless flipflopping, taking quotes out of context or on trivial issues? Man that really made me mad! Those Repubs....oh looks like the Dems are the ones doing it this year.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/20/obama-mccain-flip-flopping-on-cuba

Well, um, do you remember in 2004 when the RNC made big deal about John Kerry's rich heiress wife? Like that even matters?!?! Man I can't believe some people would...oh looks like the DNC is doing that too.
http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/05/cindy_mccain_at.php

Well, remember in 2000 when the Republicans didn't so much run against Gore, but instead focused on his less popular predecessor? Man, why can't the Republicans run against the candidate they're actually facing....oh wait.
http://www.bush-mccainchallenge.com/
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/obama_bushmccain_have_a_lot_to.php

Well, WELL, at least we don't elect candidates that don't parse their words to misdirect voters!
Right!??
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/28/834887.aspx

OH FUCK IT!

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 3:53 PM. Reason : When you graduate and have been through a few elections, you'll understand.]

6/6/2008 3:52:12 PM

why are you posting stuff like this

you don't really care about peoples answers do you?

you just want to try and refute...

why did you make this thread?

....

and to answer... politics is politics

I'm just making the prediction that the RNC is going to stoop as low as we think they will and start to push the race issue hard

to be fair the democrats are probably going to do the same but it's a little different because they're going to push the positive (omg, won't it be cool to have a black president)

while the RNC is going to push the negative (black president = scary jesse and al!)

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 3:56:17 PM

hooksaw, i believe thats nastauts way of saying he's your bitch after pwning him with so many facts

6/6/2008 3:57:58 PM

do you even pay attention to what you post?

moron

6/6/2008 3:59:15 PM

"wont it be cool to have a black president"?

6/6/2008 4:01:46 PM

more like half black

or even a quarterblack

6/6/2008 4:02:14 PM

Socks, what are you even on about? Both parties are doing that shit, it's just the nature of politics. For every "Cindy McCain is a lobbyist" from somebody like nastoute there's a "Michelle Obama is a nigger" from a Rat. There's a thread on the first page of this very message board called "Obama Flip Flops." You can't really play the victim card on this one.

6/6/2008 4:43:59 PM

how the fuck are you characterizing me?

i am a democrat but if it wasn't for the religious right (I know mccain has nothing to do with that... but still) I would probably be registered republican

i'm just tired of our country being "at war"

you know, that's not a bad thing

i'm sick of being the world's police force and bully

i want us to go back to our isolationist stance and stop fucking with the world and it's petty problems

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 4:46:51 PM

Quote :

"i want us to go back to our isolationist stance and stop fucking with the world and it's petty problems"

no sarcasm. i agree 100%

6/6/2008 4:52:30 PM

Socks has lost all hope in the system, and has chosen to side with the people that help him deepen his pockets. Granted, he's got a lot of people on his side, but it's not the right side for America.

6/6/2008 4:56:39 PM

Poll finds majority of Dems want Obama-Clinton ticket
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/06/poll.obama.clinton/index.html

is that gonna pull any of you over soon?

personally I'm ABH.

6/6/2008 5:17:30 PM

Quote :

"I love it when Prawn Star tells people they are full of shit, only to be shot down with an overload of links and information. "

shot down my ass. he certainly wasn't wrong--just because Iran has made a little progress here and there doesn't mean it isn't a complete back-asswards sham of a democracy (not that i really care all that much whether it's a democracy or not, as long as it's benevolent and responsible).

Quote :

"We have a lot of people on our side in Iran if we don't screw up by invading or bombing them."

I do agree here, though. i think there's some leverage there to be exploited.

Quote :

"if i may speak for him, i think he's saying that many of them are on our side and are pushing towards more democracy"

no shit, that's commonly accepted. that does not make them a democracy on any legitimate level.

Quote :

"They don't do thinks just like us here. Let's bomb them"

Quote :

"^ Because that's what everyone has been saying in this thread. That post was rather Rat-like. Good going. "

exactly.

Quote :

"ooksaw, i believe thats nastauts way of saying he's your bitch after pwning him with so many facts"

ok, seriously, that's enough with the fucking cheerleading.

6/6/2008 5:30:34 PM

Quote :

"i'm just tired of our country being "at war" you know, that's not a bad thing i'm sick of being the world's police force and bully i want us to go back to our isolationist stance and stop fucking with the world and it's petty problems"

Ron Paul?



seriously, if you agree with that then consider writing in Ron Paul in November

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 5:50 PM. Reason : because i will be suprised if it changes with Mccain or Obama]

6/6/2008 5:49:03 PM

dude, honestly

i bet 75% of american agree with people like ron paul and ross perot

that's why they do so well considering they're basically nobodys with zero charisma without a HUGE political apparatus behind them

6/6/2008 6:02:27 PM

Quote :

"Socks, what are you even on about? Both parties are doing that shit, it's just the nature of politics. For every "Cindy McCain is a lobbyist" from somebody like nastoute there's a "Michelle Obama is a nigger" from a Rat. There's a thread on the first page of this very message board called "Obama Flip Flops." You can't really play the victim card on this one."

--Action Pants

My comment was addressing nastoute, who was pissiing and moaning about the nasty Republicans. I just wanted to point out that there is nothing the Repubs do that the Dems don't, these day.

I'm not playing victim. I'm disgusted with what the Democratic Party has come to. After years of bitching about Bush's conduct in the 2000 and 2004 elections, the Dems respond by emulating his very tactics?

How inspired and hopeful I feel.

6/6/2008 7:44:27 PM

Quote :

"shot down my ass. he certainly wasn't wrong--just because Iran has made a little progress here and there doesn't mean it isn't a complete back-asswards sham of a democracy (not that i really care all that much whether it's a democracy or not, as long as it's benevolent and responsible). "

I don't really care if you want to call it bassackwards sham of a democracy. But it's not good to call it this in the context of whether or not we should liberate them. Our style of liberation would not work for them, considering their social situations.

6/6/2008 11:51:30 PM

flies would have to be attracted to shit

6/6/2008 11:53:41 PM

Quote :

""We have a lot of people on our side in Iran if we don't screw up by invading or bombing them.""

This bears repeating.

6/7/2008 12:17:27 AM

^^^

Quote :

"But it's not good to call it this in the context of whether or not we should liberate them"

Quote :

"(not that i really care all that much whether it's a democracy or not, as long as it's benevolent and responsible). "

6/7/2008 12:31:15 AM

Hillary Clinton Supporters for John McCain

http://hcsfjm.com/

6/7/2008 1:48:06 AM

http://hcsfjm.com/

that site perfectly captures the bat-shit insanity of the type of person who would do that.

6/7/2008 7:53:11 AM

^true

nothing really compares to the batshit insanity we've seen so far come out of obamas campaign

i guess if you can survive that, you could survive anything

6/7/2008 12:00:39 PM

Quote :

"to be fair the democrats are probably going to do the same but it's a little different because they're going to push the positive (omg, won't it be cool to have a black president)"

It really isn't that different. In the end both parties will be judging a candidate's abilities to be a good president by his skin color and not his actual abilities. If Obama wins because "it's time for a black president" rules the day, that's not going to grant him a lot of legitimacy in the eyes of Congress or other leaders of the world. I agree that the Republicans shouldn't make it a race thing, but the Democratic primaries have already kind of made it so.

6/8/2008 1:35:23 PM