The assholes who get pissed off at cars can suck a dick

the assholes on bikes who run red lights can suck a dick

It is extremely simple to share the road

If people obeyed the laws and didn't get self-righteous about shit a lot of these problems would be solved.

7/2/2008 11:35:47 PM

looks like she has a set of arms on her


look at those triceps

7/2/2008 11:36:52 PM

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"Critical Mass Mob Aggression Against Elderly Couple http://youtube.com/watch?v=bo4MpO3kBRE&feature=related Hilarious, they run their bikes over."

hahaha bike hippies pwnt.

7/2/2008 11:37:49 PM

NPR did a special on those guys. They rode out on the interstate the other day. One of them is going to get smashed. One of them is going to die. Then they'll bitch about it. I'll find it hard to be sympathetic.

7/3/2008 12:06:35 AM

I'm going to agree with BBR on this. The recreational bicyclist using rural highways contribute nothing but endangerment to themselves and motorist. I can't tell you how many times I come up on packs of riders that do nothing but back up traffic for miles and create an unsafe environment for drivers, especially in Chatham county. Looks like she had it coming to her.

7/3/2008 12:34:26 AM

You guys should just be glad the bicycle laws aren't like they are in Japan.

Japanese laws says that the bike ALWAYS has the right of way. Doesn't matter if the bicyclist is being an asshole and breaking the law, the car is still 100% at fault.

7/3/2008 2:19:18 AM

Current bicycle traffic laws were written back when bikes were actually used for transportation. Recreational bikes aren't used for transportation. The dead giveaway is the $100 spandex. I say they're not entitled to the right of way and the law should be changed accordingly.

I go out of my way to give people in street/work clothes on bicycles the right of way.

7/3/2008 8:43:12 AM

^

Did you ever consider they wear the biking clothes during the commute and change into work clothes at work? I personally am not going to getting sweaty and nasty in a suit just so someone can determine if I'm a worker bee or recreational bee.

7/3/2008 8:46:41 AM

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"hahaahaha that good stuff shit like this make me want to drown baby pigs then pickle them w00t!"

7/3/2008 8:53:03 AM

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"hahaha bike hippies pwnt."

I had to laugh at the ones that were crying. I give cyclists plenty of room when I can but I guess I'm lucky that where I live I don't see many and the ones I do see travel as far to the right as possible. I have an issue with runners and walkers right in the fucking road, not far right but 4 or 5 feet into the lane.

I still go way around and I never let them know what kind a assholes they are. If I did I just figure it would make them happy and they'd do it more. I know they love it when cars get pissed that's the whole reason why they do it, if they didn't they'd do what made sense and stay safely on the sidewalk or to the right.

7/3/2008 8:53:45 AM

buncha fucking tards in here

7/3/2008 9:01:01 AM

i wish sumfoo1 had kids so i could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles.

7/3/2008 9:06:30 AM

the intelligence in this thread is overwhelming

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:09 AM. Reason : surprise surprise, it started in the garage.]

7/3/2008 9:08:24 AM

Talking down is cool if you're a passive kinda guy.

7/3/2008 9:13:13 AM

heh just watched the video.

Why the fuck did the woman get out of the van? I would have just kept going

7/3/2008 9:13:39 AM

why would anyone want to assault an innocent child over an internet argument about bikes

7/3/2008 9:14:39 AM

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"i didnt think anyone would risk damaging their 300c for a stunt like that"

BTW the car was a 300M (not Snoop Dog's 300C). The 300M was a V6 fwd turd that was made 4 or 5 years ago:



[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:22 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 9:21:18 AM

haha the critical mass people piss me off. Even though i have a bike rack and bike on my civic half the time i still honk at them when a bunch of them run red lights and hold up cars with green lights. They can't do that shit if they expect ANYONE to take them serviously.

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"No, no it doesn't. Comparing the number of miles a bicycle traveled to a car is ridiculous."

lol thought this was funny. My dad who is 56 and a bunch of his friends put about 13-14k on thier bikes each year which is about the national average for cars and he has a 9-5 deskjob during the day.

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"If she wanted to exercise, she should go to a gym. That's not what roads are for. "

You'd be amazed at how far some people drive to go to the gym. I would say most bikers who use the roads to exercise don't use a car at all to get there, and ride from home. On the other hand most people who go to a gym drive a ways to get to the gym. So driving single occupancy in a big car to go to a gym 10 miles away is silly compared to not using a car and cycling around your neighborhood. So IMHO i would think letting cyclists exercise on the road (however annoying it may be) is still better than forcing everyone to drive to a gym to spin in front of a mirror.

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"designated bike lanes that were a good 3-4 ft wide. im all for it if they have there own lane. "

Yeah we do need more bike lanes. I think there's some new policy in the last 10 years in Charlotte saying all new major roads that fit certain conditions are required to have bike lanes on both sides of the road. I can't remember specifically though.

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""But bicyclists don't pay taxes to maintain the roads. Recreational bicyclists are using the road for recreation, not commerce or transportation, therefore they are, and should be, at the bottom of the asphalt food chain. ""

But that's only because most people in America think cars are the end all/most godly/most manly form of transport. Bikes are much more efficient and actually get you in shape so why should cars have the right of way? Obviously our infrastructure isn't set up for this to be the case and cars are just so much easier to get around with so bikes are still hard to use as a main form of transportation.

Although i think this doesn't apply to all places in the US. For example in Boulder 95% of all roads have some form of bike lane, 15% of citizens commute to work by bike, and 25% of all the transportation budget goes to bikes (and guess what, they're not taxed). So that's free shit for the bikers. San Fran, Portland, and many other cities are incredibly bike friendly and a bunch of the cities budget goes into infrastructure for the cyclists, and they don't complain about not taxing the users.

I agree bikes should possibly get licensed and maybe even taxed, but i'm not sure it would even work. I mean look at the countries with more successful bike systems like Holland, Switzerland, Norway, and much of the east. Do they tax bike users?

Here's an older article:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/26/content_412346.htm

Seemed like it took too much effect, was a waste of money, and no one did it. What are they going to pull over cyclists to check and make sure they have a registration and pay taxes? Lol. It just seems to me like the most successful bike friendly countries don't have any kind of tax, so why should we? I know our transportation system is very different, but that's still no excuse.

Haha, a bike lift in Norway, pretty neat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1PgmMbug8


V .. yeah the place i intern at has showers for that very purpose. If you're actually biking to work you don't bike in your work clothes in 95 degree weather. you wear cycling clothes, then shower and change at work.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:44 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 9:32:06 AM

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"Did you ever consider they wear the biking clothes during the commute and change into work clothes at work? I personally am not going to getting sweaty and nasty in a suit just so someone can determine if I'm a worker bee or recreational bee."

7/3/2008 9:32:26 AM

vs.



One photo is a bicycle being used for transportation.
The other photo clearly is not.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:44 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 9:43:31 AM

^so you think everyone should be forced to drive 5-10 miles in a car to get to a gym to take a "spinning class"? How does that make more sense than just riding around your neighborhood?

7/3/2008 9:45:37 AM

we actually have a pack of bickers that come into work like the 2nd picture.

..we have showers here and they shower off, keep a change of clothes at their desk, and carry on like normal.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:47 AM. Reason : d]

7/3/2008 9:46:17 AM

I don't care where you exercise, or how much gas you use doing it.

What I do know is that public roads are not the place for leisure exercise, when doing so obviously disrupts their purpose(the efficient movement of commercial goods and individuals).



^As long as the ride single file on multi-lane highways, I have no problem with that. If they regularly have 100 cars waiting behind them just so they can get a little burn on during their commute, they should do something else.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 9:48:09 AM

^^ Yeah, I used to work at a place that had about 5 guys who would come into work dressed like that too.

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"Haha, a bike lift in Norway, pretty neat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1PgmMbug8"

That is awesome. I want one of those in my town

^ I wouldn't call guys who bike around in that sort of stuff "leisure exercise." They haul ass on their bikes compared to your average joe.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM. Reason : ,]

7/3/2008 9:48:10 AM

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"we actually have a pack of bickers that come into work like the 2nd picture. ..we have showers here and they shower off, keep a change of clothes at their desk, and carry on like normal."

we do too. a big group of them. our company even gave them really nice company biking jerseys (well i guess technically they got the jerseys doing wheels for meals, but it was the same group of people and a lot of them wear the jersey to ride in outside of that)

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:55 AM. Reason : ]

7/3/2008 9:48:45 AM

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"What I do know is that public roads are not the place for leisure exercise, when doing so obviously disrupts their purpose(the efficient movement of commercial goods and individuals)."

then we should do away with leisurely driving as well. you know, since it crowds the roads with unneccesary cars that disrupts the efficient movement of commercial goods and individuals.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM. Reason : n]

7/3/2008 9:51:04 AM

^exactly. Myrtle beach strip? (hate it). Blue Ridge Parkway? (love it) but both are basically used for leisure driving/motorcycling.

Yeah most of the big companies in Charlotte have bike teams and many of them organize and bike to work.

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"What I do know is that public roads are not the place for leisure exercise, when doing so obviously disrupts their purpose(the efficient movement of commercial goods and individuals)."

That's stupid. People should be able to use the roads to work out on. Driving 10 miles to go to a gym just to ride on a fake bike is stupid if you can just ride around your neighborhood, not waste gas, and not add another car to the road.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 9:52:28 AM

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"we actually have a pack of bickers that come into work like the 2nd picture. ..we have showers here and they shower off, keep a change of clothes at their desk, and carry on like normal."

Ditto the SAS guys I see several days a week riding at lunch.


smc seems like the most ignorant and clueless fool in this thread.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 9:55 AM. Reason : a]

7/3/2008 9:54:34 AM

I agree. If it comes down to it, commercial trucks and traffic should have priority. Bike(motorcycle) week in Myrtle Beach is a perfect example, the whole damn city grinds to a halt. I'm sure the locals hate it.

But motorcycles and sports cars typically don't disrupt the flow of traffic, they get the fuck on out of the way.

7/3/2008 9:54:45 AM

oh man i loved Amsterdam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk6YxhKH590

Didn't see any car parking lots (all underground), bikes always had more space than cars, and always had the right of way.

smc needs to watch this video. And people wonder why Americans are fat. I didn't see a single obese person in Holland.



heh.

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 9:57:31 AM

haha the thread is out of garage your redneck logic and not comprehending that a tax on bikes will just make people stop riding them won't make you win anymore... dur dur dur

GG bbr.

7/3/2008 9:57:42 AM

bottom line is that bikes, by law, have the same rights to the roads as cars (not including highways of course). yes, it may cause inconveniences, but that's life. suck it up, or push for changes in the law.

if you cause furthur problems by aggravating or assualting bikers, then you're more a problem than the bikers.



[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM. Reason : f]

7/3/2008 9:58:38 AM

^^^ Yeah Amsterdam was awesome for that! I liked how the bike lanes even had their own traffic lights. US cities could learn a lot from the Dutch in terms of bicycles.

7/3/2008 10:02:29 AM

Tax? I just want them to stay out of my way.

I've used a bike for my commute many times in my life, and I never inconvenienced a single driver(rode on sidewalks, stuck to the curb, pulled over to let traffic pass, didn't weave in traffic, etc) I don't see why these exercise pack riders can't give me the same courtesy.

7/3/2008 10:02:44 AM

Riding your bike on the sidewalk is illegal and will fuck up a road bike

7/3/2008 10:03:27 AM

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"Tax? I just want them to stay out of my way."

RAWWWRRR, DO NOT FUCKING HOLD ME UP FOR 1 MINUTE OF MY LIFE GOD DAMNIT. I MIGHT INTENTIONALLY HIT YOU WITH MY CAR DOOR

7/3/2008 10:04:16 AM

1.) It's typically safer for me and everyone else so fuck the law.
2.) My bike is not a pussy.

7/3/2008 10:04:51 AM

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"(rode on sidewalks, stuck to the curb, pulled over to let traffic pass, didn't weave in traffic, etc) "

But that's giving everyone the impression cars are the ultimate form of transport. As i've shown with the Amsterdam video, and examples around the world, cars are what everyone needs to be moving AWAY from, not supporting. Bikes should be given more rights and cars should get more restrictions. It's not just about ease and power. It's also about healthy living, intelligent city planning, and not being fat-ass americans driving suburbans everywhere.

^that's incorrect. It's actually been proven to be safer for bikes to ride on the road than on the sidewalk. I thought that was common knowledge.

first link i found:
http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/aultman.html

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"For falls and injuries, the lowest rates were recorded on road, followed by paths/trails. Sidewalk cycling had the highest rates. There was no significant differences for collisions on sidewalks in Ottawa but were higher on sidewalks and paths in Toronto. For Ottawa, both the fall rate and injury rate on sidewalks were four times higher than on roads. In Toronto, 9 and 6.4 times higher respectively. "

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 10:10 AM. Reason : .]

7/3/2008 10:07:37 AM

"It's us vs. them."

7/3/2008 10:09:28 AM

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"RAWWWRRR, DO NOT FUCKING HOLD ME UP FOR 1 MINUTE OF MY LIFE DAMNIT. I MIGHT INTENTIONALLY HIT YOU WITH MY CAR DOOR"

7/3/2008 10:11:04 AM

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"1. Avoid Riding On Sidewalks. Many people think that the sidewalk is a safe place to ride. However, accident studies show that riding on sidewalks has about twice the accident risk as proper cycling on the road. Sidewalk cyclists are in danger at every road crossing and even driveways because motorists do not look for fast traffic on the sidewalk. Also, mixing pedestrians and cyclists is dangerous to both. A bicycle “sidepath” next to a road is just about as dangerous as a sidewalk. This is why cyclists are often required to walk bikes across intersections. (Note the sign in the photo to the right.) You are much safer in the street, following the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles."

http://www.bikecommute.com/tentips/tentips.htm

7/3/2008 10:11:16 AM

That's why I stopped and slowly crossed each road. I can look out for myself just fine, thank you.

7/3/2008 10:13:51 AM

^but you said:

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"1.) It's typically safer for me and everyone else so fuck the law. "

Which is false.

7/3/2008 10:15:01 AM

Yeah, apparently most bicyclists are too stupid to do it safely.

Well, it's been a pleasure trolling you guys as always. Let's do it again soon.

7/3/2008 10:16:35 AM

We don't mind if you look like a fucking idiot, we'll keep riding our bikes on the road, you'll keep waiting and crying on the internet about it. We win.

7/3/2008 10:20:23 AM

i saw a cyclist get pulled over by a cop car the other day for running a red light...it was pretty hilarious...its like cyclists think they can share the road just as much as cars but for some reason they don't have to follow traffic signals like cars do

7/3/2008 10:22:48 AM

^yes i am ALLLL for cops pulling over bikes running red lights. Hell if i could pull over all the fuckers in critical mass who run lights in Charlotte i would. Pisses me off. They think it's some display showing they are better because they ride bikes, but it's just a bunch of wanna-be hipsters purposely trying to piss off drivers.

7/3/2008 10:24:38 AM

I don't really get the point of Critical Mass, unless it's just to piss people off.

7/3/2008 10:27:04 AM

Its original purpose was to clue people in to how bike unfriendly cities were. But breaking the law, and pissing off drivers is the EXACT OPPOSITE way to get people to vote for better bike regulations.

7/3/2008 10:32:52 AM

oh fuck me, here's neodata again telling us how great every other city in the world is. i hope you have that post saved or something, and don't waste the time typing it every time one of these threads happens. let me tell you again you ignoramus, large cities in the south ARE NOT COMPARABLE to the places you keep babbling about. it's useless to try and model this area after them. apples to oranges! maybe we could implement a COUPLE of ideas here and there in an alternate execution, but we can't just plop gaycyclelove, eu down as a template.

tell you what, if i get you a peddle boat from pullen park will you take off across the atlantic to your promised land? take one of these other head in the clouds people with you. spandex must restrict the flow of blood to the brain. if this place sucks so much, gtfo. you're just the kind of self important ass that whines about everything, but does jack shit to work for a reasonable plan. it's fine, you just keep riding your bike around like a good boy, and the grown ups will call you in for dinner after some legitimate solutions and ideas get done.

btw, i'm willing to bet some of these grand places implement some of the things i've typed about over and over in this thread.

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"haha the thread is out of garage your redneck logic and not comprehending that a tax on bikes will just make people stop riding them won't make you win anymore... dur dur dur GG bbr."

weak. just the dripping vagina response i expected. "i can't think of anything to say, so i'll just make the same dumb comment over and over durrrr". really man, you're better suited for your "attention whore" and "crying like a bitch over girls" threads.

7/3/2008 10:56:09 AM