^ I presume you're speaking specifically of the Govt Subsidized Stafford loans?

8/19/2008 1:50:44 PM

mmmm RATM... by far my favorite band...

I remember listening to Evil Empire on the bus in 9th grade and this girl I liked asked me what I was listening to. I showed her the tape and she saw the title People of the Sun and said it sounded gay. I told her it was very much not gay. I came to hate that girl.

8/19/2008 1:53:57 PM

the whole point of me starting this thread was to bring up a simple point - this is OUR school not theirs. Yes, it is technically a state owned university, but if you take the standpoint that its your right to make it better for you just like its their right to take your money for educating you, you'll eventually get what you want. The administration DOES hate you and you should hate them right back, and fight with them over every little thing until that situation changes. yea, i was a bit disgruntled when I had to pay, but i was much more upset when i walked into the SGA office and discovered that the student government doesnt do shit here like they should, and yes, i am running for the SGA to change as many policies to favor the students as possible.

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 4:58 PM. Reason : -]

8/19/2008 4:56:30 PM

Why do they hate us?

8/19/2008 4:57:59 PM

because you bend over and tell them "i'd like to take it in the ass" and they say "well, since you aren't gonna say no, OK"

8/19/2008 5:12:51 PM

are you sure you didn't mean to apply to App state or WCU or somewhere else?

8/19/2008 5:18:14 PM

^^^^ honestly this is not something worth trying to get changed. there are rules in place that make sense, and 10s of thousands of students at NC State alone EVERY YEAR/SEMESTER follow them and pay their dues on time and have absolutely no problem with the rules. It has nothing to do with them sucking and us just not changing them, it has to do with a fact that there HAS to be a deadline, otherwise it would be a HUGE mess and tons of people would be late and they would have people taking up slots in classes who hadn't paid over people who did.

it has little to do with the school officials and a lot to do with personal responsibility and organization that a grad student should already grasp...

8/19/2008 5:22:50 PM

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"^ I presume you're speaking specifically of the Govt Subsidized Stafford loans?"

Did you bother to read my whole post?

You know, the one where I said

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"At least when it comes to things like stafford and perkins loans, and any federally-funded grant or scholarship."

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"yes, i am running for the SGA to change as many policies to favor the students as possible."

Make sure to let us know what position, ok?

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"the whole point of me starting this thread was to bring up a simple point - this is OUR school not theirs."

So?

That doesn't mean they have to coddle 30K students, especially when their only argument is that an already generous policy is that isn't!!! FAIR!!!!!

You've lost, kid. You're at least a little socially and interpersonally developed, very immature, and wholly undeserving of the dignity that a PhD might confer.

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"this thread furthur proves that some people just stay in school because they can't make it in the real world."

8/19/2008 5:31:52 PM

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"and yes, i am running for the SGA to change as many policies to favor the students as possible."

ahahhaha, good luck with that. you couldn't get change for a dollar from this school

8/19/2008 5:51:53 PM

gad this reminds me of the time i went to the airport and they wouldn't let me on the plane just b/c i hadnt paid for my tickets!

leave it to the airlines to keep someone from flying on a technicality

i think we should petition the airlines so that you dont have to pay until after the flight

who is with me?!?!?!

8/19/2008 5:58:03 PM

^I'll join your E-Army!

8/19/2008 5:59:18 PM

I guess there's this thing called "student activism" and "protesting things you don't like", ambrosia, that you don't quite understand. I understand all their reasons for setting deadlines, dropping classes ect. I'm a very responsible graduate student, mind you. I understand their opinion on this matter, I just don't CARE about the administration's viewpoint at all, and I don't think you should either. Why should it be any of your business that they wouldn't have any money? All you should be concerned about is yourself and your quality of life and quality of education.

8/19/2008 6:07:02 PM

and NC State doesn't care about student's "activism," "dislikes," or "viewpoints."

Welcome to NC State.

8/19/2008 6:11:48 PM

IN SUMMARY:

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"this thread furthur proves that some people just stay in school because they can't make it in the real world."

AND

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"That doesn't mean they have to coddle 30K students, especially when their only argument is that an already generous policy is that isn't!!! FAIR!!!!! You've lost, kid. You're at least a little socially and interpersonally developed, very immature, and wholly undeserving of the dignity that a PhD might confer."

I sincerely hope that my tax dollars aren't paying for this guy's eh-juh-kayshun.

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 6:14 PM. Reason : .]

8/19/2008 6:13:32 PM

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"I guess there's this thing called "student activism" and "protesting things you don't like", ambrosia, that you don't quite understand."

LOL

When n00bs post...

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"I'm a very responsible graduate student, mind you"

So responsible that when it came to something as important as tuition...that you just assumed it was taken care of.

My god, that's so responsible. You're ready for kids, now!!

8/19/2008 6:16:33 PM

none of my roommates, who are also grad students, saw it coming either. NCSU said they'll cover "tuition costs", but didnt mention in any correspondance anything about "students are responsible for their fees, which is different than tuition", until i got a bill

8/19/2008 6:32:31 PM

if you're a fellow, then the school pays your fees. unless you got screwed. and yes, you should know that tuition != fees

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 6:36 PM. Reason : 're]

8/19/2008 6:36:07 PM

^^ So you take one vague statement at 100% without doing further research? Spare me.

8/19/2008 9:45:40 PM

All the information you received from the Graduate School and your department clearly stated you were responsible for fees (not tuition) unless you had outside funding. If you would like to say what program you are in I'm sure we can find it for you and the rest of your roommates. I'm currently looking for a PhD program and almost all of them clearly spell out their funding policies. Most do not have a funding package as easy to understand as NCSU's. You're welcome to join Student Government, I would encourage it, but if it is for crap like what you are complaining about now. Please get a clue.

^(however many I need) And it is not OUR school, it is the Peoples school. Everyone who attends NCSU has a large portion of their tuition paid for by the taxpayers of North Carolina. YOU are being fully funded (except fees) by the department (unless you have outside funding). All that money comes from taxes and endowments. Thank fully the elections aren't till the spring.

[Edited on August 19, 2008 at 10:27 PM. Reason : more information]

8/19/2008 10:23:51 PM

http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/cashier/forms/sponsor.asp>http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/cashier/forms/sponsor.asp

You just have to fill out the above "Notice of Sponsorship" form online and they will not drop your schedule.

8/19/2008 10:34:18 PM

they don't actually drop your classes until two days before class starts.

8/19/2008 10:36:48 PM

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"Why should it be any of your business that they wouldn't have any money? All you should be concerned about is yourself and your quality of life and quality of education."

If they didn't have any money they couldn't pay the salaries of their employees, the utility bills, for supplies, etc etc etc etc.

So for those of us who ARE concerned with ourselves and our quality of life and education, we pay our bills on time so we can be sure we're in the classes we want to be in.

If you don't pay your bills in time, you don't get service. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

8/19/2008 10:48:40 PM

Between me and my three immediate family members, we've got about 29 years of enrollment at NCSU.

29 years of payments. That's 58 successful payments.

So it does kind of annoy me when I get threatening, impersonal e-mails from the university.

At least brush up the form letter to be a little nicer about things. You'll get your money like you always have.

8/20/2008 3:58:30 AM

8/20/2008 6:28:48 AM

AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT.....

NO CLASSES TILL 11:00
NO HOMEWORK
AND ABSOLUTELY NO CLASSES ON FRIDAY

8/20/2008 8:10:50 AM

NO PARKING TICKETS

8/20/2008 8:18:09 AM

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD

IGORIEN2K FOR NOOB OF THE MONTH, AUGUST 2008

8/20/2008 8:27:24 AM

hahaha why is this still going on?

8/20/2008 8:38:12 AM

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" Why should it be any of your business that they wouldn't have any money? All you should be concerned about is yourself and your quality of life and quality of education."

It's going to be hard to find instructors who will work for free because the school doesn't have money to pay them.

Seriously, are you really this dumb?

8/20/2008 8:51:16 AM

i am sure the school has financial reserves. if they didnt, well that would be dumb. Does NCSU have labor unions at all? I didn't find any information on it, and that's really sad.

8/20/2008 9:03:54 AM

How is getting a letter/e-mail asking you to pay your bill by a deadline at all the business of a labor union?

What do labor unions have to do with this?

8/20/2008 9:11:54 AM

WHAT DO WE WANT

THE RIGHT TO NOT PAY BILLS ON TIME FOR NO PENALTY

WHEN DO WE WANT IT

NOW

I mean, you're sitting here trying to get them to override a longstanding practice that makes perfect sense and exists for a good reason because you got a letter basically telling you to pay what you owe.

8/20/2008 9:14:01 AM

haha we shouldnt have to worry about paying, the school should have millions locked up in a vault solely to cover students fees who dont pay them on time!!!1

8/20/2008 9:14:08 AM

this is fucking ridiculous

8/20/2008 9:29:25 AM

this is very entertaining

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"haha we shouldnt have to worry about paying, the school should have millions locked up in a vault solely to cover students fees who dont pay them on time!!!1"

8/20/2008 10:35:14 AM

I always thought the policy was you didn't have to pay until the 3rd week of school. I know one time financial aid didn't get their shit together and I was given a payment due statement that said I had to pay by such and such date, which was after classes started. I just went to the financial aid department and got a note saying I received aid and that took care of it.

August 1st seems too early to me.

I was also under the understanding that you didn't have to make a lump sum payment, rather you could spread your payments out through the semester, unless of course that was also changed.

[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 10:44 AM. Reason : .]

8/20/2008 10:42:48 AM

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"Does NCSU have labor unions at all? I didn't find any information on it, and that's really sad. "

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"Hometown : Lexington, MA "

Plz take your socialist ideas and return to the shitty state whence you came. We work for a living down here. Thanks.

http://www.nrtw.org/c/ncrtwlaw.htm

8/20/2008 10:53:59 AM

Hey now, there's nothing wrong with unions in and of themselves.

But they don't have a damn thing to do with paying your bills on time

8/20/2008 11:09:08 AM

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"Did you bother to read my whole post? "

Busted. I most definitely did not.

BTW, two very enthusiastic thumbs up for the "Be polite. Be professional..." quote. I think the first time I read that was an article in 2006 about a Marine Corps base in Iraq. Words of wisdom for us all.

8/20/2008 11:10:20 AM

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"Plz take your socialist ideas and return to the shitty state whence you came. We work for a living down here. Thanks."

lol, or go back to eastern europe.

[Edited on August 20, 2008 at 11:24 AM. Reason : .]

8/20/2008 11:23:37 AM

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"Does NCSU have labor unions at all?"

Once again, I hope you're not in economics.

8/20/2008 12:21:18 PM

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"WHAT DO WE WANT THE RIGHT TO NOT PAY BILLS ON TIME FOR NO PENALTY WHEN DO WE WANT IT NOW"

Hilarious.

8/21/2008 2:26:38 AM

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"i am sure the school has financial reserves. if they didnt, well that would be dumb. Does NCSU have labor unions at all? I didn't find any information on it, and that's really sad."

igorien2k

Sweet Jesus--are you for real? In case you are, I'm going to help you with this little lesson:

History of G.S. 95

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"G.S. 95-98 was adopted in 1959, over 45 years ago, in response to an attempt by the Teamsters to organize the Charlotte police. This law is the most extreme of any collective bargaining legislation in the country. Today only North Carolina and Virginia have a complete ban on public employee collective bargaining."

http://www.seanc.org/site/index.cfm?fuseaction=page&filename=collectivebarg.html

8/21/2008 2:55:49 AM

So how's the petition going?

8/22/2008 11:21:42 AM

I <3 this thread so much. Thanks for the in-between class entertainment.

8/22/2008 11:29:20 AM