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"EXACTLY. wtf is this stupid shit? inner and outer is so fucking easy"

that was the first thing i thought of when i read that.

8/25/2008 6:24:19 PM

DC is pretty bad. Went there for a tradeshow recently and decided, I donno why, to drive up instead of fly. Got there and drove around for 90 mins lost figuring out where the fuck I was in relation to the convention center.

8/25/2008 6:25:28 PM

heres the 440 exit list i pmed to your boy just in case anybody else thinks its a circle

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"1 I-40 / US 64 east to US 70 – Benson, Rocky Mount, Durham, Airport Signed as exits 1A (east) and 1B (west) 1C Jones Franklin Road 1D Melbourne Road Westbound exit and eastbound entrance 2A Western Boulevard - NC State University, Downtown Westbound entrance is a left entrance 2B Cary 3 NC 54 (Hillsborough Street) – Meredith College 4 To I-40 west / Wade Avenue – Cameron Village, RDU International Airport, Durham Signed as exits 4A (east) and 4B (west) westbound 5 Lake Boone Trail 6 Ridge Road Westbound exit is part of exit 7A 7 US 70 / NC 50 (Glenwood Avenue) – Crabtree Valley, Durham Signed as exits 7A (south) and 7B (north) westbound 8 Six Forks Rd - North Hills Signed as exits 8A (south) and 8B (north) 10 Wake Forest Road 11 US 1 north / US 401 (Capital Boulevard) – Wake Forest, Louisburg, Downtown East end of US 1 overlap; signed as exits 11A (south) and 11B (north) westbound 12 Yonkers Road, Brentwood Road 13A New Bern Avenue - Downtown 13B US 64 Bus. east - Knightdale 14 US 64 east / US 264 east (Knightdale Bypass) – Wilson, Rocky Mount West end of US 64 overlap 15 Poole Road 16 I-40 / US 64 west – Wilmington, Benson, Cary, Durham Eastbound exit and westbound entrance"

notice, just like on the map i posted 440 starts at 40 around pool rod and ends at cary around jones franklin where it turns into 1/64

8/25/2008 6:38:56 PM

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"inner and outer is so fucking easy"

8/25/2008 6:42:46 PM

^

8/25/2008 7:41:41 PM

yeah 440 is more like an upside-down U

40 is like I HAVE AUTHORITY HERE and totally overwrote exit 17, 18, etc.

not a true loop, ie other real cities

OH SNAP

8/25/2008 7:50:42 PM

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"inner and outer is so fucking easy"

8/25/2008 7:55:11 PM

3-digit derivatives of interstates do not have to be full loops

1xx, 3xx, 5xx, 7xx would only have to be spurs

2xx, 4xx, 6xx, 8xx don't have to be full loops, just return to parent highway.


i know a thing or two about roads.

8/25/2008 7:57:40 PM

so garner is the anus?

8/25/2008 7:57:57 PM

always

chem-



[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 8:00 PM. Reason : Ø]

8/25/2008 7:59:11 PM

no, it's the taint.

knightdale is the anus.

8/25/2008 7:59:28 PM

har har har

i'd hate to see where you wipe, chembob

[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 8:02 PM. Reason : .]

8/25/2008 8:01:38 PM

yea, 610 in New Orleans isn't a full loop.

8/25/2008 8:03:05 PM

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"yeah 440 is more like an upside-down U"

wouldn't that be an n?

8/25/2008 8:03:21 PM

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"DC is pretty bad. Went there for a tradeshow recently and decided, I donno why, to drive up instead of fly. Got there and drove around for 90 mins lost figuring out where the fuck I was in relation to the convention center."

If you were coming from Raleigh its beyond me why anyone would fly instead of drive. Its a 4 hour drive. Between driving to the airport, giving yourself enough of a time cushion to show up for your flight, your actual flight, and then getting picked up at the airport or getting a rental car you easily use more than 4 hours.

But I totally agree, the beltlines around DC are confusing as fuck.

8/25/2008 8:05:28 PM

i didn't feel like finding



[Edited on August 25, 2008 at 8:11 PM. Reason : not gonna edit it out- fuck the internet Ø]

8/25/2008 8:08:00 PM

^^ not only that, but it's the all of the regular streets inside the belt lines. I kept getting lost with a few of the streets turning into tunnels for 3 blocks then turning back into regular streets. Well technically I wasn't lost, I could see washington tower and used it as my guide, but still... I kept going back and forth on the middle streets near the mall to find the convention center and it's like 3 blocks big...

8/25/2008 8:11:50 PM

8/25/2008 8:13:48 PM

nice, I live on the taint

8/25/2008 8:14:42 PM

and we wonder why we can't fund education properly...

8/25/2008 8:47:40 PM

^^^LOL

i love it

8/25/2008 9:01:59 PM

I am always amazed by the number of people who have driven those roads for 1-5 years and still can't comprehend "inner" and "outer"

I definitely understand why it confuses new people because "inner" raleigh doesnt mean anything to you.


I have given simplified explanations/drawings to ~20 people who all got it immediately within 30 seconds of an explanation that never understood it during the time they drove on it.

I dont have a lot of confidence in the human race. It seems like they could name it "addition" and "subtraction" and get better results. If you get on addition the numbers go up, subtraction the numbers go down.

8/25/2008 9:27:49 PM

man fuck these clowns that cant figure out the beltline

8/25/2008 10:50:08 PM

attn yankees

you want to move here so deal with it. we didn't ask you to move here, hell we don't want anymore of you here. but be it as it is, you must live with the beltline as it is. Our roads don't go E-W and N-S. They change names on you and curve all over the place.

summary: if you don't like it you can giiiiiiiit out

8/26/2008 7:36:41 AM

I say we call it the explode-o-dome!

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8/26/2008 7:42:45 AM

^^Yankees? I thought the problem would have been better addressed by keeping things the way they are and throwing up a few "State Fair This Way ⇒" signs. Maybe include a sign that is nothing but pictures if they really want to cover all their bases.



[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 8:25 AM. Reason : -]

8/26/2008 8:11:30 AM

bttt

lol at chembob for being a Roads Scholar

8/26/2008 12:20:50 PM

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""inner and outer is so fucking easy""

I swear to god you'd think nobody ever looked at a map of fucking Raleigh before they moved here.

8/26/2008 6:19:51 PM

This is retarted the inner/outer beltline is not that fucking hard to figure out. I learned in 1st grade what clockwise/counter-clockwise meant. Since age 3 i have had the realization that people in the US drive on the right. Put 1+1 together and BAM you can figure out the 440.

North 440 can mean two totally different things. You are leaving 40 east cruising past New Bern Ave or you are coming up US1 and heading toward Wade Ave.

Good thing the dumbasses in Raleigh crying over their lack of IQ to figure out the beltlines don't actually live in Norfolk. I think I even need a cartographer to figure out their I64, I264, I564, and I664

[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 7:08 PM. Reason : l]

8/26/2008 7:01:12 PM

I've never had trouble visualizing whether I was on inner vs. outer I-440 or where I was headed, but if you aren't from here I could possibly see where the confusion might arise.

[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 8:16 PM. Reason : ]

8/26/2008 8:16:17 PM

If someone can't figure out inner/outer or the cardinal direction for which way they want to go they are a fucking moron and deserve to get lost. It's simple visualization and renaming the signs won't make people any smarter.

8/26/2008 8:36:54 PM

Because this is a worthwhile project to spend our money on

8/26/2008 8:56:21 PM

Just tell out of town guests to take the Tom Bradshaw or the Cliff Benson.

8/26/2008 8:56:51 PM

Even Google Maps is a little confused. For the hell of it, I got directions to Crabtree Valley from Knightdale.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=knightdale%2C+nc+to+crabtree+valley+mall%2C+raleigh%2C+nc

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"9. Take exit 419 for US 440-W toward US 1/Wake Forest 10. Merge onto I-440 N"

8/26/2008 8:58:35 PM

After my sophmore year in which my friend gave me poor directions to RDU (was told exit after crabtree when it is really 3 exits before); having done a lap on the outer beltline than a lap on the inner I never got lost again.

8/26/2008 9:10:01 PM

why are they changing this shit

inner and outer works fine for me

east and west are, if anything, more confusing

8/26/2008 9:57:45 PM

CW and CCW make the most sense, and besides, if you get going the wrong way... well it IS a loop or you could always turn around.

Now I want to know why you can only get on/off Melbourne Road one way...
Who builds an intersection with half the on/off ramps?

8/27/2008 2:09:14 AM

I had the beltline figured out within 1 day of moving here. If you cant figure it out, you're too fucking stupid to be driving.

Period.

8/27/2008 2:46:26 AM

It should be named East and West, it's a loop of I-40, even number interstates are always East to West. It makes zero sense to have them labeled North and South. Inner and Outer is fine as well, just designate them as East and West, not North and South.

8/27/2008 8:09:15 AM

clockwise and counterclockwise is the most idiot proof

8/27/2008 8:12:51 AM

^ I think you overestimate the idiots

Rename it "I440 - Counterclockwise" and I swear to God you'll end up with idiots finding themselves driving on the wrong side of the road.

8/27/2008 9:35:08 AM