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[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM. Reason : so much for setting up the page

8/26/2008 10:18:07 PM

heh team

person 1 talks

person 2 has money to spend but doesn't talk

person 1 talks to people that will take money

is this how the kitchen worked as well?

8/26/2008 10:20:39 PM

I would never take a girl to buy or lease a car with me

not even my girlfriend, wife, whatever

They would turn a fun process into a total pain in the ass

8/26/2008 10:22:33 PM

^^ not quite

8/26/2008 10:26:51 PM

She's a hardass, me not so much. I get a kick watching her do her thing, especially when the sales guys don't expect it She lives on here, so yeah she's going to say more on here

When I bought my PT, i got a decent price; not great but definately not sticker price. That experience was nice, and the whole process took less that a few hours. The sales guy was hella laid back though.

8/26/2008 10:28:10 PM

Okay....that was a lot to read through to respond. For reference I'm a finance manager at a franchise dealer, and I've held most positions within the dealership. First of all an employee pricing event changes the whole thing to being with. As it stands new cars (especially cheaper ones) have very little mark up to begin with, however EP sets a below invoice price where the dealer recieves a kickback(listed on the invoice) to make up for that fact. This is why there is generally no negotiation in EP figures. As a side note GM invoices do show the wording you mentioned. I can explain it later if you like. On the note of doc or prep fees they are right in that sense, if you charge one customer that fee you have to charge them all otherwise it is discrimination. I'm sure there were some other questions in there and I'd be more than happy to respond to them if you ask.

8/26/2008 10:57:04 PM

Good to know

As far as not charging the dealership fees...if it were to be based off of, say, race, or gender, or shit like that, I'd buy the discrimination bit. As it stands, by your reasoning, a starbucks barista choosing to not charge someone the upcharge for a flavor shot in their coffee, since they do it to some people, would be discrimination.

That's part of why I'm nice to folks - they DO have discretion, and sometimes, you get it unexpectedly ([insert shoutout to global village here!]) and sometimes, not at all. When I worked retail, if someone was a cunt, I wasn't going to volunteer that they could sign up for the student discount, whether they were a student or not. If 'just desserts' are now 'discrimination', I'm guilty as a motherfucker.

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"I can explain it later if you like."

Nah, it makes enough sense. I'm just not buying the 'look, we're only making THIS. MUCH!' on the car, and all that goes to you - it's factored in the EP' line. Yes, the mgr actually said, when I pointed out that disclaimer, that holdbacks, advertising revenue, rebates, and all of that were included in the EP discount from MSRP.

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"As it stands new cars (especially cheaper ones) have very little mark up to begin with, however EP sets a below invoice price where the dealer recieves a kickback(listed on the invoice) to make up for that fact."

As it stands

...they can choose to take a sale, or not. If they don't, we find somewhere that will. It's that easy. I don't $6 for shampoo at Harris Teeter, knowing I can get the same stuff at Target for $3.89.

Thanks for chiming in, and by all means, address anything you see fit.

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[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 11:06 PM. Reason : ljk]

8/26/2008 11:05:32 PM

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discrimination

8/26/2008 11:08:01 PM

Quote :

"As it stands, by your reasoning, a starbucks barista choosing to not charge someone the upcharge for a flavor shot in their coffee, since they do it to some people, would be discrimination."

That is discrimination, but not of the sort the courts give two shits about

8/26/2008 11:08:43 PM

find the thread in the Garage about "confessions of a car salesman"


the best way to buy from a dealer, in my opinion, is to fax-bomb a whole shit ton of them, asking for their best price, then narrow it down to the best initial offers and play them off of each other until you feel you've reached the bottom line.

8/26/2008 11:09:04 PM

Did you watch misha's video? excellent advice there. Don't let the salesman write down several pages of numbers like bottombaby. The first round of numbers are ridiculously high, and they can tweak the numbers in many ways to make it look like a good deal when it's not. Especially when negotiating monthly payments.

The salesman is not your friend! He's not trying to give you a good deal! He's trying to trick you into paying as much as he can possibly sqeeze out. You know this though, it was smart to leave the dealership

8/26/2008 11:10:52 PM

Quote :

"That is discrimination, but not of the sort the courts give two shits about "

Alternatively: the kind that doesn't fucking matter:

"Okay, so we've agreed on this price? Cool!"

"Whoa whoa whoa buddy! What's this $400 business? for some PAPERWORK? No thanks."

"[spiel about must charge it to everyone]"

"$400 is more than another month's payment. Take $400 off the price we previously agreed on - that way, you can charge it, but the net effect for him and me is the same"
As far as the confessions of a car salesman: read it sunday, kids. Consumerist is easily the most helpful, and easy to use, website around.

[Edited on August 26, 2008 at 11:24 PM. Reason : lkjfd]

8/26/2008 11:23:27 PM

So...apparently...

The vibe is one of those cars that is moving very fast.

8/30/2008 5:04:22 PM

go to edmunds.com. Get TMV for car with your options. Work from there. Show you have actually done some research on the value of the car when you go to the dealership.

8/30/2008 5:26:30 PM

I talked my car down $2300 within the first 5 minutes. Considering it was one of 2 left that I wanted within the area and no more were coming in, I was happy.

But yea, between 2 visits, I spent about 4 - 4 1/2 hours there with test drive, talking, 2nd test drive, negotiating, and paperwork. Then actually receiving the car took another hour when I went back the third time.

Still got it for about $700 lower than Edmunds' average price paid too!

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 6:02 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2008 5:59:33 PM

Despite the sometimes pain-in-the-ass process, the ability to negotiate is why I'm strongly considering buying new for my next car. With my current car (which I bought used), I couldn't get them to move in any significant way on the price because I didn't have the option to go somewhere else and get a better deal. The car I bought was rather uncommon, there were only 3 of them I could find for sale in the entire state at the time, and the one I bought was the lowest price anyhow (one was a year newer and $3k more, and the other was $1k more and at carmax, which doesn't negotiate). So they knew I couldn't exactly say "I'll find one somewhere else" unless I was willing to wait, and I didn't have an unlimited time frame as I was driving a borrowed car at the time (though I didn't tell them that).

The end result was that I ended up buying the thing for only $200 off sticker.

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 6:01 PM. Reason : d]

8/30/2008 6:00:11 PM

haha. dude told you never to come back and called you a bitch? That's the kind of shit that would get a phone call to corporate in about a half-second. I'll bet that could get you a nice discount

8/30/2008 6:16:12 PM

When my dad bought my first car, he leaned over to the sales man and said "of course i can't do this, but if i was to write you a check right now, what would you take?"

he gave him a number and my dad took about 10-15% off of that and handed him the check. the guy just handed him the keys.



saved himself at least 3 or 4 grand on a car that wasn't $Texas to begin with

8/30/2008 6:26:28 PM

haha thats awesome

8/30/2008 6:29:11 PM

NC SECU has a car buying service if you're having a problem getting a reasonable price on a car. I didn't use it when I bought mine though. However, I was actively looking for a deal for about 3 months.

I found most dealers won't take a first-time new car buyer seriously. They have a "the sticker is the price and it doesn't budge" attitude. Get them to quote you a final price with all the fees and, regardless of how good the deal looks, tell them you'll think about it. Then you go to the next dealer and ask if they can do you any better. After visiting a half dozen dealers, you should be able to get an out-the-door price well under the "invoice" price (which is a joke anyway). Even then there should still be some wiggle room for free oil changes / tire rotations.

8/30/2008 6:56:22 PM

Good luck.

There are a lot of dealerships in greensboro are willing to work with people, a little better then those in Raleigh at least.

8/30/2008 8:50:32 PM

What happened with this?

9/2/2008 4:42:55 PM