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8/29/2008 7:28:18 PM

Glad you guys are ok!

8/29/2008 8:05:30 PM

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"USAA?"

yes. they tend to be quite lenient when their Texas, esp. Hill Country customers hit deer. Windy country roads + Texas speed limits + overdevelopment + overpopulation of deer = you see at least one deer a day crossing or near the road.

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"And yes, I'm still incredibly anxious when riding as a passenger, and drive MUCH less aggressively now. I got very, very nervous when a car fishtailed a bit ahead of me on Western earlier this week. I was already scoping out safe places to stop. "

I totally understand that. I was in an accident where a Camry totaled a Mercedes E-class (I was in the Mercedes). Of course, NC is a no-fault state, and there were no witnesses other than us involved, so the cops couldn't blame the other guy, even though the physics alone could prove the other guy was to blame. I was learning how to drive at the time, and it made me very uneasy to get on the road myself. I still get wary sometimes when I come to limited sight intersections and other situations where an accident is more likely. 25k miles of driving in the past year have helped me get over that though.

But yea, seat belts rock. Me and my sisters walked away from that accident. My mom was driving, and she had to be treated for a concussion, but was fine otherwise. Of course, she had just recovered from a hysterectomy. So she wasn't in the best of shape.

8/30/2008 9:41:51 AM

Glad everyone is ok!

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"And yes, I'm still incredibly anxious when riding as a passenger,"

I'm still really anxious as a passenger from an accident 8 years ago. I think I will be for the rest of my life.

8/30/2008 9:57:10 AM

I hate being a passenger, makes me nervous no matter who is driving. Probably in large part due to the fact that I'm rarely a passenger to begin with, but also because I've been hit by a dumbshit driver before so I know they're out there in force on a daily basis.

Glad you guys are all right!

8/30/2008 10:05:21 AM

yeah, the only driver I trust is myself. Have had way too many close calls with these fucktarded drivers around here.

8/30/2008 10:12:39 AM

glad you guys are ok

8/30/2008 11:26:05 AM

who the fuck is qtmfred and how did he get all those posts without me seeing it

8/30/2008 11:35:19 AM

this whole time i thought puppy and punchmonk were the same people.

8/30/2008 11:36:46 AM

we're getting fucking old

8/30/2008 11:37:41 AM

lets eat lunch at Morrison's Cafeteria

8/30/2008 11:39:20 AM

brunch at a pete rose ballpark cafe

8/30/2008 11:42:19 AM

The best sort of driving is defensive driving. I can tell you how many accidents I have avoided by simply assuming this person was going to make a move that could injure me and so thereforth plotting a way to avoid it. I never drive side by side to a car and when i do pass one I quickly get into a spot where Im at least not in their blind area or just pass them completely. Im alaways looking at the tires of other cars because you can see a lot faster what direction theyre going in or whether they're going to stop at the light or keep going.

On 440 in Raleigh I remember being behind a white truck and white car that were merging onto the beltline from capital and them fighting to be first. For some reason the car wouldnt give in and he was on the right to the truck tapped him sending the card extreme right. Well he over compensated and by this point we are on the beltline with my in the next lane to the left to et away form them but slow so I can see what's going to happen. The white car grabs the steering wheel hard left and careens across the lanes of traffic right in front of me and into the wall. If I hadn't assumed tha shit would get to me I would have accelerated and been smack dab in the middle of it.

8/30/2008 11:48:29 AM

Glad y'all are OK. I'm sure I'd be too rattled to keep driving if that happened to me! Stay safe out there.

8/30/2008 1:57:20 PM

i'm glad everybody is ok.

i did a 720 on the highway a long time ago.

you really do have to jam on the brakes HARD and steer.

car was good, we were good, off we went.

it was dense fog, semi tried to merge into us with me boxed in. good stuff.

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 2:38 PM. Reason : eh]

8/30/2008 2:37:55 PM

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"at least you didn't have a deer try to merge into your lane"

Go fuck yourself.


I'm glad everyone is ok, except chembob because he said some dumb shit like that.

8/30/2008 4:20:59 PM

Why do I get the feeling you pulled the old "jerk and slam" that everybody loves to do? It's the best way I know of to induce SEVERE understeer or oversteer depending upon the type of vehicle and the timing of the jerk and the slam.

Braking and turning need to be two SEPARATE things. Do not ask you car to turn hard and brake so much that the ABS kicks in at the same time. It can't do it, you exceed the limits of traction and then you loose control. Maneuver and THEN brake or brake and THEN maneuver. You can also brake, let off, maneuver, and then brake again. But if you try the "jerk and slam" method of accident avoidance that 99% of the stupid fucks I see attempt to use, this shit will happen to you over and over. Like when you're in traffic and you see people slam on their brakes and jerk the car over onto the shoulder. This is INCREDIBLY stupid because if they just give the slightest bit too heavy of an input in terms of either braking or steering, they will lose traction. Then they usually go straight ahead with no traction to their front wheels and they hit the car in front of them that they could have simply avoided by braking alone. If you absolutely HAVE to get out of the way, get out of the way and THEN brake or brake very lightly while turning. Lightly braking as you turn sharply is tricky shit if you have no idea how to control your car at the limit though. Since you seem like the type that does not fully understand vehicle dynamics (At least in terms of the applying those dynamics to real life), the best thing to do is just not brake during the maneuvering phase.

What likely happened to you is you hit the brakes hard first, which "put the weight forward" onto the front wheels (And off the rear wheels) and then you tried to turn. This caused the rear tires, which were very lightly loaded, to loose traction and caused the rear end to come around on you. I'm willing to bet that you then stayed on the brakes when the slide started, which likely only caused further issues, regardless of whether or not you steered "into the slide." Oddly enough (I say this because it's counter intuitive to most people), in a FWD car that is oversteering, getting on the throttle while steering "into the slide" will often solve the problem.

[Edited on August 30, 2008 at 5:17 PM. Reason : ]

8/30/2008 5:10:18 PM

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"this is why there needs to be some superhero in a truck that responds to the calls of good citizens to run bad people off the road. "

oh man, i'm just the guy with just the truck for the job!

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"way to avoid the collision. its probably a good idea to not take your 10^56 chance of tunneling. "

what in the hell are you talking about?

...and besides, although it worked out this time, he would've been better off most times by just hitting the other car if he couldn't avoid it without spinning out in the middle of the interstate. that's way more dangerous, and just asking for a fatal wreck.

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" As I was driving in heavy traffic in my cousin's SUV with his wife and baby and my mom the back tire blew out. I was able to safely go to a shoulder and and after a few hours change a spare on to it. Then continuing on at a slower pace since the spare tire weren't the correct size. Another hour later freaking the other back tire blew out. "

how in the hell did you blow out BOTH rear tires? were you doing something stupid? were they obviously ridiculously worn out? was the truck grossly overloaded? a combination of the above? I find it hard to believe that anyone is that unlucky.

and why on Earth did it take "a few hours" to change a tire?

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"The best sort of driving is defensive driving. I can tell you how many accidents I have avoided by simply assuming this person was going to make a move that could injure me and so thereforth plotting a way to avoid it. I never drive side by side to a car and when i do pass one I quickly get into a spot where Im at least not in their blind area or just pass them completely. Im alaways looking at the tires of other cars because you can see a lot faster what direction theyre going in or whether they're going to stop at the light or keep going. "

Yep. I think riding motorcycles has done more than anything else to develop this sense in me. You eventually start to treat driving kinda like a chess or checkers game--thinking several steps ahead, seeing what could unfold and what you'd do.

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"Why do I get the feeling you pulled the old "jerk and slam" that everybody loves to do? It's the best way I know of to induce SEVERE understeer or oversteer depending upon the type of vehicle and the timing of the jerk and the slam. "

Oh yeah, no doubt. I can't think of any other way this could've happened.

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"Braking and turning need to be two SEPARATE things. Do not ask you car to turn hard and brake so much that the ABS kicks in at the same time. It can't do it, you exceed the limits of traction and then you loose control. Maneuver and THEN brake or brake and THEN maneuver. "

Yes and no. For Average Joe in Average Car, that's a safer bet. Of course, with the vast majority of cars tending heavily towards understeer, it can be pretty beneficial to trail brake a little. You get better turning (and obviously some braking action) with this technique in the average car. Of course, this is NOT a hamfisted maneuver--if you do that, you will go out of control. It isn't rocket surgery, but if you don't think you can do it, it would be better to just turn then brake or brake then turn than it would be to go spinning out of control.

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"What likely happened to you is you hit the brakes hard first, which "put the weight forward" onto the front wheels (And off the rear wheels) and then you tried to turn. This caused the rear tires, which were very lightly loaded, to loose traction and caused the rear end to come around on you. I'm willing to bet that you then stayed on the brakes when the slide started, which likely only caused further issues"

Could've just as easily started turning, then slammed on brakes. Even ABS won't save you then. What you're describing COULD result in this, or it could quite likely just cause the car to plow more or less straight ahead.

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"Oddly enough (I say this because it's counter intuitive to most people), in a FWD car that is oversteering, getting on the throttle while steering "into the slide" will often solve the problem. "

sure, although the only way to get 99% of FWD cars to "oversteer" is to unweight the rear tires by getting on the brakes.

8/31/2008 11:32:52 AM

Glad everyone is ok!

8/31/2008 11:42:05 AM

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"how in the hell did you blow out BOTH rear tires? were you doing something stupid? were they obviously ridiculously worn out? was the truck grossly overloaded? a combination of the above? I find it hard to believe that anyone is that unlucky. and why on Earth did it take "a few hours" to change a tire?"

Wasn't my car. I believe the tire was worn out and it was very hot that day, it was heavy but not overloaded. I guess I will have to check tires on someone else car before I do any driving on it.

It took a few hour (about 2) because he didn't have the tool/key to get the spare tire out of the car. First hour was to finding the special tool to get the spare out but no toyota dealer had the tool. We got a helpful stranger to help but without the tool/key it made things extremely hard. Had to cut a metal wire that was holding the tire to the suv which was the reason it took forever. The wire was next to impossible to cut with the tools we did have. All three of us guys were sweating our asses of to cut that shit. If I could change anything that we did is to pay the 600+ dollars to just get a tow truck and change the tire which we did after the second blowout. Freaking tow guy charged us 300 dollars to tow a quarter mile to the shop. All in all it was just a very bad day.

9/1/2008 12:19:28 AM

that's sad. typically the highway patrol knows who the more scrupulous tow people are.

9/1/2008 12:21:35 AM

^ yeah, that's total bullshit.

Lesson learned--$3/month for towing insurance is a good idea. barring that, get a price before they hook it up.

9/1/2008 4:10:57 AM

i mean if i yanked uo the e-brake and turned the wheel i could do a 72 but otherwise its not gonna happen

9/1/2008 4:13:12 AM

its a fact, that 90% of drivers who get into this kind of situation (either trying to avoid an accident and spinning or hydroplaning and spinning) will instinctivly jam down whatever pedal their foot is close to at the time, almost always the brake pedal but in a high number of cases people locked down on BOTH the brake and the gas- confusing the hell out of the car and causing it to begin to spin. as soon as they sense the car spinning, they turn the wheel instinctively the WRONG way and throw the vehicle into a big spin. this generally goes for people no matter what level of driver education tests they have passed, but is noticably less common with people in areas where snow/ice driving is common OR people who have spent at least 2 hours in a car actually learning how to maintain control in unstable situations.

9/1/2008 5:59:12 AM

I lived in the snowbelt of lake Erie for two years so I have experience with swerving on ice. I know I didn't keep on the brakes once we were out of control. I just can't remember for sure if I turned into the spin. But this was all like 800 miles ago, I barely remember the whole thing

Btw I didn't mention this the first time but we were goi g over rumble strips when we lost control. Are rumble strips known to do that?




[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:24 AM. Reason : and as for puck_it's comment, look up quantum tunneling]

9/1/2008 10:13:36 AM

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"but is noticably less common with people in areas where snow/ice driving is common OR people who have spent at least 2 hours in a car actually learning how to maintain control in unstable situations. "

When I skidded on ice last february (FUCK MATT REVER'S ATTENDENCE POLICY, AND FUCK NCSU FOR NOT DELAYING SCHOOL) on 40, I definitely steered into that shit, and came out okay.

...The person who taught me to drive? Grew up in Chicago And it was definitely his words echoing around when I didn't try to steer out of it. I still can't drive for shit in winter weather, and don't like trying to.

Didn't do me a lick of good on the elevated ramp into the pay deck that NCSU didn't salt

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"You eventually start to treat driving kinda like a chess or checkers game--thinking several steps ahead, seeing what could unfold and what you'd do."

Britta and I have discussed this often. She and I both like to, if possible, be far enough behind other people that we can see what they see - to tell whether they're doing what they're doing because they're a jackass, or because someone else is being one.

I posted in another thread, my dad's stance on other drivers, that I've taken to heart: assume every other driver is a homicidal idiot. (And then add the following as needed: on a cell phone, eating, applying makeup, a woman, or otherwise wholly incapacitated).

And it's such a valid assumption on 40 that someone is going to get into your lane without signaling or looking that I won't stay beside anyone for very long. The drivers get on 40W from 401N are especially bad about this, and also about waiting until the last possible minute to get over
I used to intentionally block those cocksuckers to try and teach them a lesson, but being in an accident kind of eliminates that sort of behavior

I hate driving, because of all the idiots on the road
I like driving, because cars are fun.

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:53 AM. Reason : lkjd]

[Edited on September 1, 2008 at 10:54 AM. Reason : lfkjg]

9/1/2008 10:53:12 AM

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"Btw I didn't mention this the first time but we were goi g over rumble strips when we lost control. Are rumble strips known to do that? "

I don't know if they are "known" for it, but anytime you have a situation where the tires have different traction, the likelihood of spinning out becomes greater, and the rumble strips change the traction. That's why nicer cars and AWD cars usually have traction control systems.

9/1/2008 12:10:17 PM

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"FUCK MATT REVER'S ATTENDENCE POLICY"

Scuba?

9/1/2008 2:10:25 PM

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"http://break.com/index/truck-smashes-into-other-cars.html You could be the best driver in the world... And then some shit like this can happen. Not that the driver in this vid did everything perfect, but it illustrates the point."

just in case anyone was wondering, that black audi survived...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB3QqgpU0L4

9/1/2008 3:57:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDuUL5J78ws

9/1/2008 4:07:50 PM

An SUV starts to merge into our lane.
Ken lets off the accelerator
Ken honks the horn like a mad man
person keeps merging
we move over to the left side of the lane
starts hitting the rumble strips.
Did not jerk over.
bastard almost clips us
Ken slams on the brakes
we start spinning bc of brake and rumble bump combination
the car is thrown to the right
we spin once in the middle of the highway
he turns into the spin
we then spin the other way
stopped in the break down lane

I don't know what I would have done in that situation. It was soooooooo scary with some pretty good maneuvering. I am just grateful people were far enough behind and in front of us that we did not hit anyone.



[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 2:55 AM. Reason : brakes]

9/2/2008 2:51:36 AM

i am glad you guys are safe!

btw how was your trip?

[Edited on September 2, 2008 at 3:19 AM. Reason : ..]

9/2/2008 3:18:50 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgeQOx0pq44

11/22/2008 11:23:21 PM

Glad to hear everyone is ok

11/22/2008 11:25:33 PM

glad everyone is alright.

11/22/2008 11:32:10 PM

correct response: nudge 'em in the rear quarter panel and spin them out into the wall, aha

11/22/2008 11:46:02 PM

it's nice to be alive

9/19/2009 9:46:36 PM

HOLY SHIT I NEVER SAW THIS THREAD

9/19/2009 9:47:57 PM

Rumble strips are the devil for spinning out.

9/19/2009 9:56:36 PM

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"it's nice to be alive "

well duh

9/19/2009 10:05:55 PM

HOLY SHIT I NEVER SAW THIS THREAD

glad you all survived

9/20/2009 8:36:11 AM

something similar happened to me a few years ago

except I did a few spins (not sure how many because I hit my head) then hit a guard rail:

9/20/2009 9:18:48 AM

i thought this threqad was about the honda civic i saw do this on 540 the other day

9/20/2009 10:07:47 AM

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"Was it a 540 on 540? That would be some irony there."

That's not ironic that's just coincidental!

9/20/2009 11:13:24 AM