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3/27/2009 12:27:52 AM

the banana was about the oppressed worker.

3/27/2009 12:46:30 AM

i dont remember posting in this thread

im a funny motherfucker yo

3/27/2009 12:56:41 AM

^

1/13/2011 4:38:13 PM

i like this.
not because i think it's art, but because i want to scratch that freaking dot off.

1/13/2011 4:39:42 PM

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"Umm... the internal dynamic of the negative space spatially undermines the eloquence of these pieces. "

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"Although I am not a painter, I think that the sublime beauty of the Egyptian motifs verges on codifying the eloquence of these pieces. "

1/13/2011 4:47:03 PM

^

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"Umm... the mechanical mark-making of the sexy fish seems very disturbing in light of the eloquence of these pieces. "

1/13/2011 4:49:50 PM

Woah old thread alert.

I'll throw this out there though...

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"I simply don't get Warhol . . . it is something a middle schooler would do to seem "edgy.""

You're absolutely correct by 2008 standards.
By 1962 standards his art was actually edgy.
You have to think about these things in context of the era in which they were produced to fully appreciate them. The same goes for Pollock although I think his art was easier on the eyes than Warhols. Even if you don't like the complete abstractness of it (although that's debatable), you can at least appreciate adding a little color to a blank wall.

If Nirvana could reinvigorate rock after a decade of laser lights, pyrotechnics, and spinning drum cages I don't see why Pollock can't reinvigorate art after a few centuries of drawing naked babies with angel wings.

I would expect someone whose online persona is titled "JCashfan" to understand that. Johnny Cash is no Mozart or Chopin, but it doesn't belittle his own contribution to music in any way.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 5:26 PM. Reason : l]

1/13/2011 5:23:20 PM

Actually, I can appreciate it when it is put that way, which is pretty much what I'm looking for. I never took any art classes so I'm actually trying to grasp them for what they are.


Now, whether or not that makes them great "stand alone art" or just great "art as social commentary" is debatable, but it makes more sense now.

But since we've established that Warhol and Pollock are groundbreaking for their time, what does that say for post-modern artists whose critical success is dependent more on being cutting edge performers than being artists? (If I'm making any sense).

1/13/2011 7:04:25 PM

Oh shit, Ronny is pissed.

1/13/2011 7:06:01 PM

Eh, I don't get either of them. And I'm cool with that.

1/13/2011 10:37:17 PM

why does it have to MEAN something?

can't I just have a visceral aesthetic reaction?

1/14/2011 2:30:35 AM

I'd just like to point out that art is like music. You don't have to like all of it. In fact, some of it sucks, and some of it is great. Just gotta find out what makes you drawn to it.


I also really want this:



[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 2:46 AM. Reason : ]

1/14/2011 2:40:23 AM

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"why does it have to MEAN something? can't I just have a visceral aesthetic reaction?"

ding ding ding

1/14/2011 2:49:43 AM

I'm glad that, after 8 years of college education in the arts, I've finally learned to enjoy art for art's sake

1/14/2011 2:56:21 AM

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"why does it have to MEAN something? can't I just have a visceral aesthetic reaction?"

THAT.

sometimes, understanding is the least valuable thing

it's only love or hate that matters

the rest is boring bullshit

1/14/2011 4:26:43 AM

^"sometimes"

How do you decide when some time is sometimes?

1/14/2011 5:07:16 AM

One of us oughta become the Sokal of modern art

it will be a most epic troll

1/14/2011 5:47:40 AM

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"why does it have to MEAN something? can't I just have a visceral aesthetic reaction?"

It has to mean something because every time someone asks about modern art (even if they are being completely sincere) some smug art asshole answers something like "so yeah, you entirely missed the point of the piece you posted."

so that begs the question, what is the point then? or is this some shitty joke like snipe hunting where everyone who is in on it plays along like the rest of us are just too simple minded to understand?

I mean, if Pollack is considered groundbreaking because noone else at the time had thought to dribble paint all over a massive canvas like a 5-year old, fine. But don't try to say we don't "get it" and then at the same time try to claim "why does it have to mean something".

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 8:39 AM. Reason : s]

1/14/2011 8:38:52 AM

No chaos, damn it!

1/14/2011 8:59:25 AM

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"You have to think about these things in context of the era in which they were produced to fully appreciate them."

i came in here to post that



ding ding ding

1/14/2011 9:22:26 AM

I want to know how I can flail around with some random paint smears on canvas and make the modern art world go ga ga, and have people hand me large sums of money.

I know I could paint a black square, or since that's been done, maybe a pink triangle against a yellow background. This could represent the trials and tribulations of being a gay dude in japan.

Additionally, I'll probably have to start dressing and acting more edgy. I can't just be a jeans and t-shirt guy. Do I need to project an image of a tortured soul?

Should I be as pretentious as Snewf?

Let me know guys.

1/14/2011 9:46:42 AM

you know. a lot of "modern artists" are genuinely full of crap imo.


i like creativity which is why i like andy and warhol, but not most of their successors.


but art/beauty whatever really is in the eye of the beholder.
my mom thinks both :

http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/21-mindblowing-hyperreal

and

http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/hyperrealistic-acrylic-body

are cool but at the same time stupid.
not art.


i beg to differ.

1/14/2011 9:51:22 AM

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"liberation is different from only being able to do something... a 5 year old cant do anything else. A grown man could, and often "had to" for it to be considered art, so being freed from that is more meaningful that a 5-year old that can ONLY do that."

So what you're saying is, it's a celebration of mediocrity and laziness?

1/14/2011 10:19:52 AM

Quote :

"It has to mean something because every time someone asks about modern art (even if they are being completely sincere) some smug art asshole answers something like "so yeah, you entirely missed the point of the piece you posted." so that begs the question, what is the point then? or is this some shitty joke like snipe hunting where everyone who is in on it plays along like the rest of us are just too simple minded to understand? I mean, if Pollack is considered groundbreaking because noone else at the time had thought to dribble paint all over a massive canvas like a 5-year old, fine. But don't try to say we don't "get it" and then at the same time try to claim "why does it have to mean something"."

This is kind of how I feel.


So, back to Warhol. In his time he was groundbreaking and edgy. Great. I get it, in that context. But when I remove his art from that context it ceases to be anything other than a cheap reproduction of a commercial image. Because that is what it is and what his whole point was.

1/14/2011 1:38:08 PM

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"i like creativity which is why i like andy and warhol, but not most of their successors."

Split personality artists in this thread.

Andy vs. Warhol.

1/14/2011 9:22:00 PM