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10/1/2008 11:49:46 PM

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"We'll ive owned one for 1.5 years and you couldn't pay me to drive that thing to work every day. Well you could, but you wouldnt. Hell I'll sell it to you. You sound more enthusiastic about it. You do realize a mr2 weighs 2090lbs right? ~300-400lbs less then an mx-5. You know that right?"

1. I'm not swayed at all by the fact that you've owned a convertible for 1.5 years, I've owned a 1997 Miata for that long.

2. I'm not interested in your car.

3. What the fuck does curb weight have to do with anything I brought up? Where did I even compare the MR2 to a Miata or say that a Miata was lighter than an MR2? Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck.

4. It's "THAN," dumbass.

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"But honestly, given the increased price of gas within the last few years the additional cost to run premium fuel has gone down considerably to the point where its not a big deal. And anyone that has a problem running premium fuel in a car should just give up and drive an Accord or Camry."

Anyone that doesn't want to use premium doesn't have to drive an Accord or Camry, some people are extremely cheap. I know quite a few people who refuse to buy a car that requires premium. Since I don't know this person and the group of cars covers such a wide range I figured I'd mention it.

A Miata or MR2 would be plenty sporty and significantly more frugal than the other options due to better fuel economy and the fact that you're paying at least $0.20 less per gallon. It all comes down to what this person wants. There's absolutely no need to explain shit like the fact that the percent difference in price between 87, 89 and 93 is way smaller than it was 8+ years ago. The math behind that logic is so simple that it requires no comment. It's like telling someone, "in case you weren't aware, 2+2=4."

[Edited on October 2, 2008 at 2:44 AM. Reason : ]

10/2/2008 2:17:41 AM

My point was yeah the mr2 is slow. But it isn't THAT slow. Esp compared to a 300zx non turbo, or a 328ci. I would think 140hp in 2090 lbs is similar to 193hp in a 3200lb car (328ci). An mr2 should be capable of epic MPG. I wouldn't be surprised to see 35-40mpg out of one. I wouldnt buy an mr2 though. E36 M3 four door baby!

I never said you COULDN'T daily drive it. I'm saying you're choosing to live with A FUCKING LOT of trade offs for not much if any gain. The visibility is terrible. The gas mileage is compromised by the angle of the windshield. The engine is very buzzy. The cabin is small. It's a honda but it's not a civic. You are not going to see boatloads of 250k mile S2000's ever. Thats my only point here. There are plenty of cars PERFECTLY suited to be daily driven that perform. Comparing a 3,000$ miata to a 13,000$+ s2000 should be a crime amongst itself. Go sell all your car(s) for a convertible you cant buy with one paycheck and come back. You may think differently.

OP you're welcome to check mine out if you want. It has a rollbar and a hardtop though so you might not get a good feel of what the car is really like stock. The bar kills some leg room and the top gets rid of all the blind spots/visibility problems and wind noise.

$0.02

[Edited on October 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM. Reason : . sorry to offend you Mr Saab and midlife crisis dad's son]

10/2/2008 8:02:46 AM

If the 300zx is really clean, stock, low miles, and twin turbo, I'd definitely consider it

10/2/2008 9:09:46 AM

^^Dude, you know my name so no need for that remark. Plus, I was just saying that SOME people can DD one. As you know I'm looking to get one myself. Sure visibility out of the back isn't good, but that applies to any convertible so why bring it up. Gas mileage compromised by the angle of the windshield? The low gearing is probably more responsible for that

^Not going to find a TT for $13k.

From what I recall the MR2 can go 0-60 in the mid 6 second range which is great for a 138hp car.

FYI I looked up trunk space for a few of these cars. The MR2 has 1.9 sq ft, the Miata 5.1 sq ft, and the S2000 5.0 sq ft.

Also, if you care the S2000 has an ULEV rating.

10/2/2008 9:28:07 AM

If you take the spare out (mx5 has no spare) you probably gain another 1.5cu feet of space.

10/2/2008 12:37:00 PM

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"From what I recall the MR2 can go 0-60 in the mid 6 second range which is great for a 138hp car."

I've heard conflicting reports here, some reports say they can't get them to pull any better than low 7 seconds (For the powder puff girl MR2's) and I've seen reports of higher mileage ones not doing any better than 8 seconds. The reports I've read also put it at around 2200lbs. That decent 0-60 time is pretty much only due to low weight, once you're moving it's not going to be particularly quick. 1/4 mile trap speeds in the better runs seem to be around 90mph even, but other reports have it running the 1/4 mile in the 16's at 88mph.

Of all of the cars it's by far the least practical, I'd take certainly an S2000 over an MR2 anyday.

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"If the 300zx is really clean, stock, low miles, and twin turbo, I'd definitely consider it."

I think he was talking about the NA and I wouldn't consider that or a turbo over an S2000.

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"I never said you COULDN'T daily drive it. I'm saying you're choosing to live with A FUCKING LOT of trade offs for not much if any gain. The visibility is terrible. The gas mileage is compromised by the angle of the windshield. The engine is very buzzy. The cabin is small. It's a honda but it's not a civic."

Before you said "a convertible," as in ANY CONVERTIBLE. I simply called bullshit on that statement. You didn't specify anything in particular. Visibility is just fine in my Miata, the engine isn't buzzy and the cabin is plenty large. The statement you made was a complete generalization and was not true. Not all convertibles are Hondas, not all converitibles have buzzy engines, etc. Nobody said an S2000 was a civic, all I said was that this statement, which is EXACTLY what you said (Nothing more and nothing less):

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"daily driver and convertibles dont mix. you can learn the hard way if you insist."

is bullshit.

[Edited on October 2, 2008 at 6:36 PM. Reason : ]

10/2/2008 6:29:37 PM

^I agree, but a convertible top will still never have the visibility of a fixed top.

I've seen magazine numbers for the MR2 of around 6.7 to 60. And of course, after the 1/4 mile i have no doubt it fades back.

10/2/2008 8:12:00 PM

^ Not necessarily. Exige vs. Miata => Miata has more visibility.

In general, sure, but we both know that wasn't the point and I'm sure every single person in here understands that in general convertibles sacrifice some visibility.

[Edited on October 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM. Reason : ]

10/2/2008 8:33:04 PM

i've seen quinn bitch about trying to daily an s2000 a lot & i've come to the conclusion that he is just a pussy. the same kind of pussy who thinks their factory sport suspension is too "harsh"

10/2/2008 8:54:06 PM

I wouldn't call him a pussy over that shit. "sensitive" yes...

[Edited on October 2, 2008 at 9:09 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2008 9:09:20 PM

Dude, the suspension in a stock S2000 is downright tame and compliant. I'd love to "have" to live with an S2000 everyday, god damn son.

[Edited on October 2, 2008 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ]

10/2/2008 9:14:17 PM

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"i've seen quinn bitch about trying to daily an s2000 a lot & i've come to the conclusion that he is just a pussy. the same kind of pussy who thinks their factory sport suspension is too "harsh" "

LOL

Dude my s2000 rides softer then my civic!

If you think the s2000 engine isnt buzzy you're insane. It sounds like a bee hive man.

10/3/2008 8:00:52 AM

No, it sounds like an absolutely sick nasty 9000rpm I-4 (At least the 2.0, son). NOTHING about it is buzzy or beehive like. There has never been a car that sounded like a beehive.

In fact, there would be absolutely no way I could handle not putting a Buddy Club Spec III single on there.

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 8:31 AM. Reason : Buddy Club Exhausts FTW, ho.]

10/3/2008 8:30:08 AM

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"oh god, everyone is going to vote 2003 s2k all the way... "

There is a good reason for that.

I daily drove my supercharged AP1 for 2 years. It was riding on 18" wheels and 35 series rubber, too. I drove it back and forth between NC and FL numerous times, too, stopping for nothing but fuel, and then paying at the pump.

S2k is a great car. They're a little annoying to climb in and out of, even by sports car standards. Your left leg will tend to cover up the speaker on the driver's side...and...that's about it. Not a whole lot of grunt from the engine in stock form, but certainly more than adequate in general, and adequate for a sports car.


as far as the E46 goes, I owned one of those, too (a 330ci). This is probably my favorite all-around car I've ever driven, other than its M3 sibling (and the sedan with sport package is right there with it). If you want a sports car, this is not it. It isn't a sports car by any stretch. Otherwise, stop looking here--this is the one. It isn't the best at anything, but it's really good at EVERYTHING. You can easily find a nice 330 within a $15k budget, too...and probably get a nice one with a few more miles (though i'll bet still <100k or with a warranty to 150k).

10/3/2008 9:46:27 AM

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"If you think the s2000 engine isnt buzzy you're insane. It sounds like a bee hive man."

I've got a 1.7 liter 8000rpm I-4 so it doesn't sound buzzy to me I don't think the S2000 sounds awesome with its stock exhaust, but I've heard it sound fantastic with some aftermarket ones. SaabTurbo, you have any sound clips of that Buddy Club exhaust?

10/3/2008 10:21:09 AM

ive heard the buddy club exhaust from a local here in raleigh.

it sounds very boomy. they are very inexpensive and light weight though.

10/3/2008 2:34:04 PM

I was behind an S2000 the other day with a nice sounding exhaust. I saw the name of the exhaust but can't remember it. It was something like Invicta, that sound familiar?

The buddy club exhaust, is it inexpensive or is it cheap?

10/3/2008 3:20:01 PM

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"is it inexpensive or is it cheap?"

clarify? low price vs. quality?





you guys can argue buzzy engine, but nothing trumps a D15 honda with a 12" glasspack (or MAC mufflah) and 2.25" tubing. (and dont argue with me, ive had 6 different mufflah configurations on this thing - currently a stock replacement that sounds like an RC car )

10/3/2008 3:23:14 PM

^yes build quality. I'm pretty happy with the Greddy MX on my GS-R. Its about 6-7 yrs old and has about 100k on it.

And about the D15...LOL.

10/3/2008 3:26:31 PM

yeah dude, im an exhaust maniac.



s2k, 4 real.

although i am going to retire the civic at 200k and drop $13k for a brand spanking new yaris



got some mad plans for the civic

10/3/2008 3:37:05 PM

to hell with a Yaris. I'm not a fan of any car with the speedometer in the center. fuck that noise.

10/3/2008 3:47:29 PM

A MR2 is definitely a hairdresser's car.

10/3/2008 3:49:18 PM

^^hha

10/3/2008 3:53:37 PM

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" I'm not a fan of any car with the speedometer in the center"

Well there goes the mini lolz

10/3/2008 3:58:18 PM

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"you guys can argue buzzy engine, but nothing trumps a D15 honda with a 12" glasspack (or MAC mufflah) and 2.25" tubing. (and dont argue with me, ive had 6 different mufflah configurations on this thing - currently a stock replacement that sounds like an RC car )"

hahaha

When youre done with it lets put it on mine. D15b8

10/3/2008 4:04:17 PM

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"A MR2 is definitely a hairdresser's car. "

Call me a prancing faggot, then. I like them.

10/3/2008 4:26:06 PM

^^haha ive got a 28" 2.5" perf core, and a 12" 2.25" perf core at the house

[Edited on October 3, 2008 at 4:37 PM. Reason : -]

10/3/2008 4:37:22 PM

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"Well there goes the mini lolz"

Minis can be had with the center speedo, or normal position.

10/3/2008 6:02:35 PM

are you sure about that? Is that available in the US b/c I've never seen one as such.

10/3/2008 6:08:06 PM

i don't know if it is available in the US or not, but i have been in one that belongs to a friend.

10/3/2008 6:13:24 PM

I used to be gung ho about getting an MR2 as a daily driver until I drove one. From all the reviews it's a reliable, fun car to drive that can get very good gas mileage.

I'll admit, it's a fun little car, but you couldn't pay me to drive it daily. I'm 5'7 and change, and not only is the cabin tiny for me, but there really is no storage space to the point where the odds of me being able to fit a pair of shoes in the frunk without removing the spare tire are right around "slim to none". Not to mention that the pictures of the storage space behind the seat (even though they make it look small) still make it look deceptively large compared to what it is.

I'm not a "car guy" so take my advice for what it's worth, but if I wanted to spend X amount on a car and a "luxury" car was in that price range, I'd go for that.

10/4/2008 1:41:46 PM

26 $500 cars.

10/4/2008 8:54:43 PM

A FLEET OF RALLYX BEATERS.

10/4/2008 9:25:35 PM

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"Audi S4 (not sure about the mileage, parts would be $$)"

My S4 is for sale - if you're interested in Audi. B5 model - AWD V6 bi-turbo

10/4/2008 11:03:38 PM