I actually want the fair tax system...

10/16/2008 9:15:53 AM

^ but "fair" is subjective, which is the problem!

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"I love you quagmire"

at first i was like
then i was like
then i was like

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 9:17 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 9:16:30 AM

The.... i don't pay income tax only sales tax @ 20% and ditch the irs that way drug dealers and illegals and tourists pay taxes plan

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 9:17 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 9:17:16 AM

^ so...people who can only afford food should pay the same amount of taxes on that necessity as the people who can afford to have half a dozen cars? i hardly count that as fair

i know it's more complex than that, but i have a problem with (or, rather, conflicting emotions regarding) saying that someone who is below poverty level should pay a 20% tax so they can EAT

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 9:22 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 9:18:21 AM

actually i think the plan does not tax necessities such as food power water etc.

Read:



the thing is that it encourages people to live debt free and the govt really doesn't want that.

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 9:22 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 9:21:00 AM

^ yeah, that's possible...i won't pretend to know the details and ins/outs of all the different tax schemas...and yeah, i'm all for illegal immigrants and tourists paying for the privilege of being in this country...do away with welfare, because no one DESERVES a free ride

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"the thing is that it encourages people to live debt free and the govt really doesn't want that."

i've heard it's a good read...i really should pick it up, so that at the very least i can have a more complete understanding of the options...i mean, i live fairly debt-free without a book telling me to (the only debt i have now is my mortgage, and i'm okay with that)

i'm confused as to why the government itself would care if people were debt-free, though (again, my ignorance on the topic)

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 9:25 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 9:23:43 AM

^I'll bring my copy of The Fair Tax book to the dog park for you to read

10/16/2008 9:28:42 AM

10/16/2008 9:47:27 AM

I still love how 6 and 7 are the same person.

10/16/2008 9:47:56 AM

^^ and mccain voters are

1 Racists
2 Ignorant people
3 rednecks
4 corrupt greedy wealthy people
5 people who think it makes them tough cause retarded e-mails convinced them of it
6 People who do things just because it was how they were raised
7 anyone who wants to hook up with a dude in a bathroom (but doesn't want to marry one)
(why are republican scandals always gay but democrats get ass on the side?)



[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 9:53:32 AM

Uppity liberals bug me.

So do crazy over-conservatives....

But I think uppity liberals just sound whiny.

10/16/2008 9:56:50 AM

agreed i'm libertarian

10/16/2008 10:02:55 AM

Oh see I totally had you lumped in to the "whiny liberal" group after that last post.

haha

10/16/2008 10:08:40 AM

i know... i'm just point out the other half of the stereo types...

10/16/2008 10:09:38 AM

i have no idea which "party" i'd fall into...i don't agree with any of them 100% (and none are close enough for me to overlook my disagreements with them)...quite honestly, if mccain wins, i won't be terribly disappointed...the weak link in that ticket is palin, hands down, and it's HER that bugs the crap out of me, not mccain (even though i don't agree with him, i don't hate him and i believe he's capable and competent)

i'll likely vote obama because he offers the greatest chance for changes i feel strongly about...will they happen? maybe not

either extreme (be they "whiny" liberals or "crazy" conservatives) annoy me because i think they're both blind, but in different ways...but i DO find myself siding more with the liberals than the conservatives

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"I'll bring my copy of The Fair Tax book to the dog park for you to read"

that'd be awesome

10/16/2008 10:11:38 AM

Libertarians pretty much think the government should be as small as possible (more so than current republicans)


pretty much... i don't fuck with you don't fuck with me.
they don't believe in victimless crimes no victim no crime..
they don't believe in welfare (i'm not paying for you to live... sorry)

10/16/2008 10:17:01 AM

^ THOSE THREE POINTS ARE CRITICAL TO ME SON. HIGH QUALITY SHIT THERE.

10/16/2008 10:19:07 AM

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"Suprising Shocking for a European. I'm glad she can't vote."

10/16/2008 10:41:24 AM

I, too, know an Italian woman who votes Republican.

I call her "Nonna."

10/16/2008 10:42:39 AM

see, i agree with points 2 and 3 of your libertarian description, but i find issue with:

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"Libertarians pretty much think the government should be as small as possible (more so than current republicans)"

ONLY because i truly believe that a group of people as large as ours cannot be run by a "small" government, nor do i believe that people are capable of governing themselves in a LARGE society...to me, libertarianism works great for states, small countries, and communities, but it simply isn't feasible on a large scale because it presumes to give people credit for intelligence and common sense that, as a whole, they simply don't have

10/16/2008 10:48:19 AM

I would never date a liberal.


cause i cant stand stupid chicks.

10/16/2008 10:49:13 AM

I would never date a conservative.

cause i cant stand hypocritical, racist, redneck chicks.

10/16/2008 10:51:04 AM

HAH SON.

10/16/2008 10:53:56 AM

tommy lee jones' character in men in black had it right:

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"A person is smart; people are stupid."

when people gather together en masse, they're simply too stupid to understand how to function fairly, efficiently, and to the betterment of the whole...without leadership, anyway

don't get me wrong, i'm not a communist, because i feel that communism strips away personal liberties that socialism (socio-capitalism, anyway) keeps intact...and that is a big deal to me

10/16/2008 10:58:27 AM

what comment was it that made mccain make that face. i can't recall it right now. i remember taking note of it last night, but i don't feel like watching the entire debate again just for that scene.

10/16/2008 12:21:02 PM

Obama said something about Fox News

10/16/2008 12:22:12 PM

I'm all for the fair tax, but its just not going to happen. Certainly not anytime soon. For now if everyone of means pays a little more in taxes & takes on a greater responsibility I'm ok with that. There is a whole lot more important stuff going on in this election than 1% of my income. If the most important thing to you about this election is that extra 1% McCain gives you over Obama then I kind of feel sorry for you.

10/16/2008 12:33:47 PM

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"^^ and mccain voters are 1 Racists 2 Ignorant people 3 rednecks 4 corrupt greedy wealthy people 5 people who think it makes them tough cause retarded e-mails convinced them of it 6 People who do things just because it was how they were raised 7 anyone who wants to hook up with a dude in a bathroom (but doesn't want to marry one) (why are republican scandals always gay but democrats get ass on the side?) 1 people who realize that Obama is worse. "

And enough with the race card everyone knows the Obamas are racists.

10/16/2008 12:40:29 PM

did you not read subsequent posts ?

Fucking retard i'm an equal opportunity asshole... (libertarian)
i don't like either candidate.

But i am smart enough to know when something isn't working maybe a change in direction is warranted.

10/16/2008 12:58:47 PM

I'm just saying, I think that a majority of people who will vote for McCain will do so because they realize what Obama really is.

10/16/2008 1:14:44 PM

a democrat... yes thats exactly what he is.... a liberal democrat...

not a terrorist...
not a N*****
not an Antichrist

A democrat...

thats what he is but what do you perceive him as genius ?

10/16/2008 1:17:59 PM

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"If the most important thing to you about this election is that extra 1% McCain gives you over Obama then I kind of feel sorry for you."

Personal income tax isn't as important to me as the corporate income tax.

Since I work for a contractor, we have to bid ALL of our work. As a company, we make more than $250,000 (profit that improves our fleet, compensation, etc.) per year and under Obama's plan would have an 8.5% increase in taxes that will either take away benefits and positions out of profit, or cause us to increase our prices so we will not win as much work and cause us to lose benefits and positions. YMMV.

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 1:19:55 PM

the entire market will be faced with the same decisions its not like you're bidding against people who won't be paying the taxes.... nice try but try again...

and we (those of us in the biz) know you mean
"we'll have to b.s. more on the bid and then make up for it with change orders later in the project"



[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 1:23:53 PM

but you agree that less taxes equals lower costs of products and services?

10/16/2008 1:25:50 PM

Here is the deal.... would you rather your company be given a break and hope they're nice and ethical enough to pass it on to you.. or would you rather be given the break directly?

10/16/2008 1:27:07 PM

BOTH

10/16/2008 1:28:54 PM

Now who's asking for the handout ?

10/16/2008 1:33:48 PM

10/16/2008 1:34:49 PM

Also keep in mind that as a contractor.... i'm willing to bet you get government contracts from time to time.. (with this economy you better effing hope you do) and how do you think they pay you? with who's money?

10/16/2008 1:39:03 PM

10/16/2008 1:44:41 PM

i think you realize i wrote that before i read the p.m.

10/16/2008 1:46:51 PM

yeah

10/16/2008 1:47:47 PM

9.) Large Retail Store Managers (my dad)
10.) CPAs (My grandfather)
11.) Housewives (my grandmother)
12.) Computer Programmers (me)
13.) CEOs (CEO of Bank Of America)
14.) College BBall Coaches (Dean Smith)
15.) Mortgage Bankers (my mom)
16.) A majority of Americans and a majority of electoral college votes
17.) Who's whiny? We'll see November 4 when he wins in a clinton-style landslide (or at least wins by 7-15 electoral votes)

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM. Reason : ,]

10/16/2008 1:52:44 PM

the fact that dean smith endosres obama seals the deal for me

mccain-palin 08!

10/16/2008 1:54:44 PM

Yeah, I bet you were really on the fence until his endorsement

10/16/2008 1:59:46 PM

dean smith ... rock solid political icon

10/16/2008 2:04:29 PM

I actually joked when he made the endorsement that State fans would now all vote for McCain. Let's be honest, though, it's an engineering and agriculture school - it'd go McCain anyway. I'm curious - are there any campus-wide polls or alumni polls?

And anyway, it's not that smith's endorsement is a big deal, i was just making an unnecessary reaction to that silly list of potential obama voters. I notice you didn't argue the fact that, actually, a good majority of Americans support him.

10/16/2008 2:07:18 PM

^ http://www.technicianonline.com/news/race%252C_gender_differences_emerge_in_mock_votes

I put native american for race just to fuck with the race factor.



[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 2:09:32 PM

beat me to it

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 2:09:44 PM

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"^^^ i dont think so, but i am against taxing the wealthy. it should be a flat percentage of income/whatever across the board."

LOL WUT

I didn't know there were real people who actually believe this. My mom once said she liked the 'flat tax,' but it was because she mistakenly thought that rich people pay less taxes.

10/16/2008 2:12:19 PM