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11/14/2008 1:33:15 PM

True, which is why it is up to the discretion of the District Attorney to prosecute the only most egregious cases.

11/14/2008 1:34:43 PM

Hey, it's this thread again but the name is different.

11/14/2008 1:35:26 PM

I can't count the number of times I saw "kill bush" or "fuck bush" or whatever else painted on the tunnel. why didn't that get such a strong reaction?

11/14/2008 1:35:47 PM

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"why didn't that get such a strong reaction?"

Darkness is spreading!

11/14/2008 1:38:45 PM

^^thats a good point and i have yet to see any type of legitimate distinction between that and the recent anti-obama sprayings

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 1:39 PM. Reason : ^^]

11/14/2008 1:39:18 PM

^, ^^Because there isn't a long history of racial prejudice and violence against his racial group in this country.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 1:40 PM. Reason : Are you serious?]

11/14/2008 1:39:51 PM

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"There's a difference between free speech and hate speech. Free speech is saying that I think you're a jerk. Hate speech is saying that I think you're a rapist and that it would be good if someone killed you. Because if someone kills you after reading what I said, I am responsible."

eff you and your hate speech bullshit.

the killer is always responsible for agreeing with the sentiment.....

I agree having racist rednecks is bad.... but educate them don't make them more pissed off at you by trying to get them kicked out of school cause they don't like you and used harsh words to express that.

eff your hate speech bull.

11/14/2008 1:40:00 PM

my guess would be that 'Kill Bush' isn't inherantly tied to racism, while 'Kill that N***** is....

11/14/2008 1:40:33 PM

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"Because there isn't a long history of racial prejudice and violence against his racial group in this country."

and????

whats the difference in saying kill one president versus saying kill another president??

11/14/2008 1:41:00 PM

Kill the inbred redneck president would work..

11/14/2008 1:41:06 PM

i'll bet at some point over the last couple years someone has painted something about george bush being the devil...devil? white devil? OH NO YOU DIDNT

11/14/2008 1:42:40 PM

Do you know any Black people who feel the same way you do about this?

I'm assuming you're all either White or idiots or both.

11/14/2008 1:44:50 PM

oh you're assuming that i'm white? why, because of how i talk? you fucking presumptuous racist piece of shit, fuck you and your hate speech

11/14/2008 1:45:34 PM

What they did was wrong, but not against the law.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 1:48 PM. Reason : -]

11/14/2008 1:48:17 PM

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"What they did was wrong, but not against the law."

I already posted the hate crime law from the NCDOJ. They could have pressed charges if they wanted to.

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"North Carolina's Ethnic Intimidation statute (N.C.G.S. 14-401.14) makes it a general misdemeanor to assault another person, damage or deface someone's property, or threaten to do either of these things, because of that person's race, color, religion or national origin. Judges in North Carolina may impose a stiffer sentence for any crime committed because of the victim's race, color, religion or national origin. Sentences for misdemeanors can be increased pursuant to N.C.G.S. 14-3(c). Felony sentences may be increased pursuant to N.C.G.S. 15A-1340.16(d)(17)."

http://www.ncdoj.com/victimscitizensservices/vscs_hate_crimes.jsp

11/14/2008 1:51:04 PM

Nope... see I'm fine with this kid getting the shit kicked out of him for being a racist piece of shit... but its not NCSU's responsibility... its societies...


God this goes back to the difference in our politics.. you're a whiny superdem who wants the government to protect you, coddle you and keep that mean old ugly reality away from you. I am a libertarian who want the government to build necessary infrastructure and otherwise stay the hell out of my life... i can take care of myself. IF IT DOESN'T PHYSICALLY OR FINANCIALLY EFFECT YOU there was no wrong done.

11/14/2008 1:51:33 PM

^serial was that necessary?

11/14/2008 1:54:44 PM

^^

Translated: Fuck you, got mine!

Someday you'll understand that you and your city, state, and country are all linked. As you do prosper, they prosper, and as they fail, you shall fail as well.

11/14/2008 1:56:00 PM

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"Campus investigators consulted with the Wake County District Attorney's Office before dropping the investigation of a potential hate crime, Barnwell said. "They said that, while offensive, it was a free speech issue," he said. The four students would have had to commit another type of crime while painting the offending words for the university to pursue hate crime charges, Barnwell said. If the graffiti had been painted on just about any other structure on campus, for example, investigators could have used charges of defacing public property and the nature of the language as an aggravating factor to treat it as a hate crime. In the tunnel, though, graffiti is encouraged."

Again, while I completely agree what they did was wrong, this is a matter of Free Speech in a Free Expression tunnel, so the authorities hands were tied.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 1:58 PM. Reason : -]

11/14/2008 1:56:00 PM

yeah...umm...while I agree kicking their asses would be fun, i'm not a fan of this mob justice concept. I don't think you're going to 'educate' them by beating them.
they need to be educated by learning that their actions have long lasting effects

11/14/2008 1:56:54 PM

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"Nope... see I'm fine with this kid getting the shit kicked out of him for being a racist piece of shit... but its not NCSU's responsibility... its societies..."

agreed

11/14/2008 2:00:50 PM

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"while I agree kicking their asses would be fun, i'm not a fan of this mob justice concept"

spanking your kids gets the message across more than telling your kid "no"

the best thing for those kids (aside from getting scared by campus police and student government) might be a good old fashion ass kicking

11/14/2008 2:01:47 PM

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"Free Speech in a Free Expression tunnel"

I'm really just searching now for what I could write in the free expression tunnel that would be the most offensive thing to most of the White, middle-class students.

Kill our troops?
Fuck and rape Jesus?

What is it? What can I write?

11/14/2008 2:03:38 PM

Regardless of what you write, I would defend your right to write it in a Free Expression tunnel in exactly the same way. This is America and those are our tenets.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 2:06 PM. Reason : -]

11/14/2008 2:05:36 PM

and regardless of what you write, nobody is going to get as offended as the obama comments...strange, isnt it?

11/14/2008 2:06:21 PM

^^^ that would offend blacks as much as whites

Whites weren't an oppressed minority in this country for 400 years, there's no comparing

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2008 2:06:23 PM

sure, spanking worked (sometimes)

so did being grounded....

11/14/2008 2:06:50 PM

yeah making my school look like a bunch of racists...

seriously though kicking them out of school isn't going to fix anything...

they obviously already hate black people for no reason right?
Kicking them out of school is just going to make them say "fucking black people got me kicked out of school" its something you can't punish... if anything you should try to meet this person and befriend them.


p.s.

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"Translated: Fuck you, got mine!"

Listen i'm all for helping the less fortunate..... but the more i feel like i have to do something the less i want to.

The problem with hate speech laws is they get twisted and perverted int limiting liberties they were never meant to. There are too many laws on the book that came about cause someone whined and then they get twisted so that someone else looses there right to call and asshole and asshole because of a true bigot.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 2:08 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2008 2:07:10 PM

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"I'm really just searching now for what I could write in the free expression tunnel that would be the most offensive thing to most of the White, middle-class students. Kill our troops? Fuck and rape Jesus? What is it? What can I write? "

There is nothing that you could write in there that would offend me or anyone else to the point where I believed that criminal charges are in line. You could write the most hateful, vile, anti-religious, misogynistic, racist drivel as long as it doesn't attack blacks, and nobody will bat an eye. But as soon as you paint N****R on that wall, people call for expulsions and criminal charges.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 2:09 PM. Reason : 2]

11/14/2008 2:08:48 PM

I'm fairly sure that anti-Christian stuff would rile up a large majority.

11/14/2008 2:10:42 PM

but kicking them out of school WOULD send a very clear message from the university saying WE WILL NOT ALLOW YOU'RE RACIST BULLSHIT HERE. And that message would serve as example for everyone else.

as for the kids that did this....if they're racist..then they're racist. but they would have to be idiots as well to not see how their own actions landed them in this situation.

but nope....so far, they've learned that they'll get a slap on the wrist at most.

11/14/2008 2:12:03 PM

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"I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

More good will inevitably come from freedom of speech regardless of the evil within the words, than the greater evil of squelching our voices.

11/14/2008 2:12:24 PM

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"I'm fairly sure that anti-Christian stuff would rile up a large majority."

Nah they deal with that shit all the time and you don't see any Christian anti-defamation groups protesting.

They have a persecution complex, but nothing like blacks in this country. It's pretty ridiculous how hypersensitive certain people are. Stop taking yourself so seriously, mang.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 2:12 PM. Reason : 2]

11/14/2008 2:12:30 PM

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" kicking them out of school WOULD send a very clear message from the university saying WE WILL NOT ALLOW YOU'RE RACIST BULLSHIT HERE. And that message would serve as example for everyone else."

Suppressing the voice of a fringe group like the KKK bastards only feeds their paranoia and adds to their persecution complex. It doesn't solve anything except to make those groups more fervent in their beliefs.

11/14/2008 2:15:04 PM

There's a big difference between a White power group advocating things like abolishment of affirmative action.... and threatening to kill someone while using a racial epithet.

I don't know how you can't understand that.

11/14/2008 2:17:54 PM

aha. ok. stop taking racism seriously...



just last week, a cross was burned in a black man's front yard about 1.5 hours from where I live.
a few month before that in the same town, a mexican man was beaten to death walking his little sister home. the 4 high school kids that did it were screaming racist shit up until a retired officer was able to chase them off...



lemme guess....racism doesn't exist....so it should be ignored?

11/14/2008 2:18:16 PM

We should all take racism seriously, but the point was not "what" these idiots wrote on the wall, but "where" these idiots decided to express their hate. I'd hope that no one is seriously claiming that these retards don't deserve to be expelled from NC State? I feel like these students should be pressured to leave, even if the legal aspect doesn't exist.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 2:24 PM. Reason : -]

11/14/2008 2:22:20 PM

I don't believe that they deserve to be expelled.

srsly

11/14/2008 2:23:37 PM

So when I saw the thread title the first thing that came to my mind was "you get the pudding pops..."

11/14/2008 2:23:58 PM

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"lemme guess....racism doesn't exist....so it should be ignored?"

Racism does exist, and when laws are broken we should prosecute the perps to the fullest. Hell, we have hate crime legislation specifically for that reason, to eradicate race-based violence.

But the sensitivity to any and all things perceived as racist is excessive. Its annoying. It intrudes on the first amendment rights that we are granted as part of the Constitution. Everybody has to deal with haters from time to time. Most people don't deal with those haters by threatening expulsion, boycotts and criminal charges.

11/14/2008 2:27:45 PM

Everyone understands why no legal action can be taken. I was referring to how people feel about the students staying at the university.

11/14/2008 2:30:39 PM

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"I'd hope that no one is seriously claiming that these retards don't deserve to be expelled from NC State? I feel like these students should be pressured to leave, even if the legal aspect doesn't exist. "

That's what half the idiots in this thread are saying. They're trying to argue that people should be allowedto say whatever they want with absolutely no consequences because... hey.. free speech right?

11/14/2008 2:31:01 PM

Man... i can go on and on..

but i <3 my black friends and i don't wanna be called a racist or an asshole or anything like that but seriously ... The neighborhood i walk through every day on the way to work HATED me when i moved in... but i talked to them and made friends with a few of them and everything is cool now...

there is racism in both directions just one way doesn't make the news.

11/14/2008 2:36:07 PM

I agree that racism goes both ways.
I would only tell you to take a close look at how you're weighting both sides of that equation before you draw the parallel that you're trying to draw.

11/14/2008 2:41:46 PM

Dude i know its not the same but i had people run into me on my way to work just to let me know i wasn't welcome... so i started saying hi... and i met the preacher at the neighborhood church and shits pretty cool now. But i was a lil shaky for a while.

11/14/2008 2:51:19 PM

what good does getting offended about something do? all it does is what the racist wants it to do, which is make you mad...you allow the bigot who made the offensive comments to get what he attempted to get, which is under your skin...why empower that shit by acting offended?...theres really nothing positive to gain by being offended, except you come across as a whiner

11/14/2008 2:52:40 PM

when I went to NCSU I saw some of the most vile, disgusting, hateful shit painted in that tunnel directed at christians, jews, blacks, whites, asians, indians...EVERYONE.

why is it so different this one time? because of the use of a word that is used ALL the time?

please. get over it. sticks and stones. expulsion is not the key. public shaming is. print their names.

its either a 'free expression' tunnel or it isnt.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 3:03 PM. Reason : . ]

11/14/2008 3:02:52 PM

^ my sentiments exactly..

let society do it by either out casting them or an unfortunate incident

11/14/2008 3:11:43 PM

I agree, but the university may not be able to print their names unfortunately. Wouldn't that be a fitting end. They used free speech, and by the same logic, so does the university.

[Edited on November 14, 2008 at 3:14 PM. Reason : -]

11/14/2008 3:13:23 PM