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"The thing is, I'm not sure they were really breaking the law, considering the proper and original interpretation of the law (protection of the innocent)."

Again, if you take away the liberal interpretations of these laws, I don't think the cops were breaking any laws.

gotta study for a final now. you kids have fun.

12/9/2008 12:28:46 PM

probable cause =/= NEED TO GO GET A WARRANT

determination of probable cause means that the cop can request a search, immediately search, make an arrest or that they can go obtain a warrant

of course, you can refuse the search anytime a cop asks but that cop can go plead his case to the magistrate and obtain a warrant, the cop can also tell you to fuck off and take immediate actons if necessary if he feels the cause is sufficient

granted the beauty of the legal system is that "probable cause" can be determined later in court so if its bogus then it will be exposed as such


a cop just cant come to your door and be like "lemme search yo crib" and chances are if you say no and he goes to get a warrant, theyll tell HIM to fuck off

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 12:30 PM. Reason : d]

12/9/2008 12:29:28 PM

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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

12/9/2008 12:33:30 PM

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"a cop just cant come to your door and be like "lemme search yo crib" and chances are if you say no and he goes to get a warrant, theyll tell HIM to fuck off "

seems like you kids dont know what "probable cause" means


or choose to pretend that that phrase isnt in your little quote

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 12:36 PM. Reason : f]

12/9/2008 12:34:33 PM

I like how civil rights are strictly "liberal" ideas now.

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 12:38 PM. Reason : .]

12/9/2008 12:37:14 PM

it is when it comes to you goddamn pot smoking hippies

i hope the shit gets legalized so you people can just go away, and i wont have to hear you nonsense n'more

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 12:38 PM. Reason : d]

12/9/2008 12:37:59 PM

Amendment XXVIII

The First through Tenth articles of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. If they were all that important it wouldnt have needed to be amended in the first place.

12/9/2008 12:44:13 PM

are* hereby repealed

12/9/2008 12:47:31 PM

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"Such as in California, cops must post where/when roadblocks will be and allow people to turn around without going through the road block."

to be fair, they are violations of the IV amendment

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"do you even have proof of these cops breaking the law? Or just the word of a potheaded, biased group, set out to catch cops?"

actually that barry cooper guy who sells that DVD is a cop, fwiw.

12/9/2008 1:47:32 PM

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"do you even have proof of these cops breaking the law? Or just the word of a potheaded, biased group, set out to catch cops? The thing is, I'm not sure they were really breaking the law, considering the proper and original interpretation of the law (protection of the innocent). "

wdprice why dont you go on the website and read. All of your questions are answered there. Such as the one here. It's not a potheaded biased group, it's a former drug cop who was tired of how corruptly things were being handled.

The whole Yolanda thing is where a drug informant planted pot on this woman and testified in court that he did so yet she was still found guilty of possessing the planted pot

12/9/2008 2:04:25 PM

Anyone have a credible link w/ this story? Google only pulls up Indy media type stuff.

12/9/2008 6:14:11 PM

for cerealz, i only believe it if its on fox

12/9/2008 6:48:07 PM

Closest legit source I've been able to find that has anything to do with this stuff:

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" New Details in the Yolanda Madden Case 12/05/08 CBS 7 Staff December 5, 2008 Last night we introduced the story of Odessa woman, Yolanda Madden, who is serving an eight-year prison sentence after being convicted of the possession of methamphetamines with the intent to distribute. Madden's father spoke to us saying he believes his daughter to be innocent and says she was framed. This evening we have new information after obtaining federal court documents about the case. According to these documents from judge Robert Junell's courtroom, Madden was caught with the drugs near the parking lot of Albertson’s on 42nd and Parkway in Odessa. The reason it was tried as a federal case is because the bust happened near a junior high school, a university and a public park. The document says madden admitted that she tried to sell the drugs to a police officer, but tried to have that evidence suppressed at trial. Madden's father says a witness admitted in court to planting the drugs in Yolanda Madden's car. The case has been appealed before Judge Junell and has been denied."

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=9802

EDIT: Found it

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""Kop Busters" Plants Fake Drug Den 12/4/08 Eddie Garcia CBS 7 News December 4, 2008 Odessa, Texas - They didn't find any drugs; instead they found a poster telling them they were on a reality show called "kop busters." It's an online reality show that goes around the nation exposing what they say is police corruption. The reason they came to Odessa is because they were asked to by a man who says his daughter is falsely imprisoned. Video cameras, plants masquerading, as drugs, and a message are what police found while serving a search warrant today. Barry Cooper CEO of Kop Busters.com said: "The best equipment known to man is what Cop Busters has and we're going to continue going across America busting these cops." The reality show team out of Austin has been setting up the fake drug den for 6 months, going through painstaking methods to keep it a secret. "We had to use encrypted emails, we had to use Wal-Mart blowup cell phones in case our phones were tapped," said Cooper. But why all the trouble? “Get Yolanda Madden out of prison," said Cooper. In 2005, Odessa woman Yolanda Madden was convicted of the possession of drugs with the intent to distribute. Now she's serving a 7-year prison sentence. "I could prove absolutely without a doubt she's innocent," said Raymond Madden Her father says he's been trying to get a court to retry the case since the conviction. "We had a witness that planted the drugs he testified in court that he planted the drugs," said Madden. Cop Busters says the show exists to help fix the system. Odessa police say the matter is still under investigation and at this point they are looking to see if any laws were broken. We will continue to investigate the Yolanda Madden case and bring you any developments."

http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=9786

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 7:11 PM. Reason : found]

[Edited on December 9, 2008 at 7:13 PM. Reason : There's also a video on that page]

12/9/2008 7:07:42 PM

Thats not very helpful.

12/9/2008 7:53:36 PM

So you wouldn't consider wral to be a credible source for Raleigh news?

12/10/2008 9:41:33 AM

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"actually that barry cooper guy who sells that DVD is a cop, fwiw."

And as the man himself point out, just because you're a cop doesn't mean you're a good guy. Look I certainly don't think the first case with the informant sounds like everything is on the up and up at that department, but the story about this sting operation has a lot of holes, like how the cops found the place so fast (I really do find it difficult to believe that Odessa, TX has so many cops and so much money as to be able to afford having their guys cruising the streets with IR cameras looking for grow lights). Also, they claim that the cops lied on the affidavit to get the warrant, but don't have the affidavit (which I'm sure they could get if they tried).

^ I think he was more stating that your second source provides no additional information than the site does.

12/10/2008 9:57:19 AM

^whats this so fast? 6 months really isn't that fast at all.

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"The reality show team out of Austin has been setting up the fake drug den for 6 months, going through painstaking methods to keep it a secret. "

Also i don't think hes saying they lied to get the warrant but rather they used techniques that aren't allowed for them to obtain the warrant, thus making it invalid and a bending of the rules of law in order to get what they wanted out of it

12/10/2008 10:06:58 AM

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"^ I think he was more stating that your second source provides no additional information than the site does."

Oh ok, I can see that. Carry on.

12/10/2008 10:17:21 AM

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"Odessa, Texas"

save the fake pot, save the world.

12/10/2008 10:48:18 AM

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"whats this so fast? 6 months really isn't that fast at all. "

From the site of the group in question:

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"The trap was set and less than 24 hours later, the Odessa narcotics unit raided the house only to find KopBuster's attorney waiting under a system of complex gadgetry and spy cameras that streamed online to the KopBuster's secret mobile office nearby."

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"Also i don't think hes saying they lied to get the warrant "

Also from the site of the group in question:

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" The police refused to give KopBusters the search warrant affidavit which is suspected to contain the lies regarding the probable cause."

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"It is not illegal to grow plants under a light in your home but it is illegal to lie on an affidavit and plant drugs on a citizen. This operation was the first of its kind in the history of America. "

Again, Odessa's cops don't seem entirely on the up and up, but this group doesn't smell like roses either.

12/10/2008 12:03:41 PM

my impression was that they set up the grow house and had it rented for a while and then turned on the lights after a while and within 24 hours of that they police came. in conjunction with that i also took it that he suspects the police used a heat detector but would not have put that as their reasoning on the report and thus used a lied on the warrant for the reasoning. could go either way. we'll see i guess.

12/10/2008 1:35:52 PM

not very dramatic imo

12/12/2008 11:24:36 PM

This thread is stupid. Every industry has a few bad apples.

12/16/2008 1:49:49 AM

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"industry"

?

12/18/2008 9:34:30 AM

^^
Yeah, and we depend on law enforcement to find and deal with those "bad apples".
Only, if the "bad apples" are in law enforcement, who finds and deals with that? Themselves?

12/18/2008 9:45:20 AM

who watches the watchmen?

12/18/2008 9:47:12 AM