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"I thought, after his freshman year, that Fells was going to be a STAR..."

me too... it irritates me too bc hes so streaky.. there are games where he wont miss, and other games where you dont even know he is there

12/13/2008 3:48:33 PM

^have you ever known a NC State player to progress from freshman year to senior year?? seriously, how many people have we forecast as stars in the freshman year?

A LOT.

12/13/2008 3:49:06 PM

^most of them are much better as seniors. Fells is an exception

12/13/2008 3:50:25 PM

i thought Grundy progressed nicely

12/13/2008 3:51:52 PM

fells was pretty highly touted though.... 4 star, Mr. Basketball in Mississippi

he also had a great 10-15 minutes in the 2nd rd tourney game against Texas as a freshman.... helped us come back from like 20 down, the herb benched him the rest of the game and we lost by prly 20.... anyone whom wishes herb was still here, i have a long list of games that would make one reconsider

[Edited on December 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM. Reason : post 2K]

12/13/2008 3:52:16 PM

Fells should've been redshirted.

12/13/2008 4:04:30 PM

retarded. fells should have played more

12/13/2008 4:05:51 PM

^^^I'd take a 2nd round blowout to the 2nd seed (I think Texas was a 2) over what we have now.

12/13/2008 4:17:20 PM

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"hopefully we keep developing the starters"

what do you mean keep developing? we haven't developed anybody for 2 years.

12/13/2008 4:46:23 PM

IMHO, the game was sloppy. Yeah we had some good reads and good shots, but for the most part, they were not hussling in the first half to get rebounds or balls lost by WSSU. Rebounding wasn't great...I dunno. I'll STFU.

12/13/2008 4:47:50 PM

I'm glad to see that Johnny Thomas was able to get some quality minutes AND points. He needs them bad, esp to get back into the swing of playing.

12/13/2008 4:56:38 PM

Our point guards are still complete garbage. We still don't box out. We aren't very good.

4-12 in the ACC coming up with this kind of play.

With Fells, Degand, and Costner nicked out, looking like a loss Wednesday to ECU again.

12/13/2008 5:08:33 PM

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"With Fells, Degand, and Costner nicked out, looking like a loss Wednesday to ECU again."

Degand was out because of a team rules violation, he'll be back. Costner had a cut, he'll be back.

12/13/2008 5:18:10 PM

so from WRAL story on this game it says this was the largest margin of victory in Lowe's tenure at state? 28 pts? I did not realize this.

12/13/2008 5:57:06 PM

I didn't get a chance to watch this game, but I'm happy to see the same old "omg, the sky is falling" kind of posts persisting after a 28-point win without several of our key players.

12/13/2008 6:17:05 PM

How did Johnny Thomas look?

12/13/2008 7:49:39 PM

I think we will do poorly in ACC play...but I'm definitely ready for the excitement of conference games.

I think if a decent team runs a press defense, we're in trouble.

Wish the walk-ons got some points. That Kendall Smith kid is a Park Scholar, pretty cool.

Also, we'd better beat the crap of ECU. That is all.

12/13/2008 7:51:52 PM

Thomas looked ok. Still doesn't have the lateral movement you would expect someone with his overall athleticism to have(im no doctor, but id say because of his bum knee). I don't think his knee will ever allow him to be the player he could have been....but hes still a very explosive guy straight up

12/13/2008 7:52:13 PM

our "fans" are really driving me crazy this year.

the thing we lacked last year was effort.

we have that this year


why is everyone so skeptical of this team?

we will win 8 games in conference this year. mark my words

12/13/2008 8:08:10 PM

Simon Harris really impressed me tonight. He was solid the whole game and deserved the start.

Thomas looked like he could be a decent reserve. You can tell that knee slows him down a lot when he's trying to break or crossover. However, he can still make some pretty sick dunks when he's just practicing. He warmed up at halftime and jammed two in that were nasty. He can still get good height when he jumps, he probably just won't have the speed to get a chance to do one in a game.

12/13/2008 8:11:41 PM

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"our "fans" are..."

carl
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12/13/2008 8:30:42 PM

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"fells was pretty highly touted though.... 4 star, Mr. Basketball in Mississippi he also had a great 10-15 minutes in the 2nd rd tourney game against Texas as a freshman.... helped us come back from like 20 down, the herb benched him the rest of the game and we lost by prly 20.... anyone whom wishes herb was still here, i have a long list of games that would make one reconsider"

Close, 5 star, Mr. Basketball, and Gatorade Player of the year.

12/13/2008 8:36:03 PM

^ fourstars on scout.com.

gatorade player of the year?

[Edited on December 13, 2008 at 8:39 PM. Reason : in mississippi? great.]

12/13/2008 8:37:48 PM

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"Also, we'd better beat the crap of ECU. That is all"

Be ready for disappointment, they are better than last year.

Quote :

"we will win 8 games in conference this year. mark my words"

Woo-hoo 8 games in a mediocre ACC this year wouldn't even be much of an accomplishment. But I am afraid you are going to be wrong.

12/13/2008 8:48:48 PM

^^http://ncstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=28721

5 on rivals. I believe he was probably 5 stars on scout at one point, but I can't prove that.

12/13/2008 9:04:26 PM

^ i know, i was informing you that the guy you were telling was wrong was not really wrong.

12/13/2008 9:32:46 PM

packboozie badmouthing out team?


shocking

12/13/2008 9:38:47 PM

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"Be ready for disappointment, they are better than last year."

So are we...

Though I think 8 games in the ACC is EXTREMELY optimistic. Seeing us being KILLED on the offensive boards by Davidson and then WVU doing it to them tells me we are in for a LOOOONNNGGGG season in the ACC.

5 wins would be my "Ok, I'll deal with it and we have a good class coming next year" acceptance level...

12/13/2008 9:41:08 PM

^^Did you go to the game?

We are not good, why do you want to sugarcoat it?

Sorry for being realistic.

12/13/2008 9:45:39 PM

When are you people just going to accept that we don't have good players this year so you can just enjoy the season fwiw, stop bitching about the coach b/c he can't work miracles, and hope that Lorenzo Brown and co are the real deal in 09 (and hope for a top 10 recruit or 2 to join them)

12/13/2008 11:33:31 PM

outside of unc, wake, and sometimes duke, i dont see anyone in the acc blowing out opponents the way we are used to seeing in november/december.

we are playing as a team, hustling, and lowes offense takes a little time to get clicking-much like herbs.


we are leading the ACC in defense, with teams averaging 30% shooting or so (no im not looking shit up)

fells is going to continue to assert himself as its his senior year, and the point guards will become serviceable .

i am thinking forth place finish behind unc, wake, and duke.


duke is gonna flop towards the end again if you ask me.

12/13/2008 11:38:56 PM

We really just need to win the games we're supposed to win OOC from here on out, and win the conference/tough non-conference games that we have a chance to win. We can't outplay a team for 30-35 minutes and lose because of fatigue, stupid mistakes, and not hustling at the end. The Davidson loss doesn't matter in the scheme of things, but it hurt b/c we should have won and blew it. No more of that garbage and we'll be fine.

12/13/2008 11:51:30 PM

^I can see anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6 in the ACC. 8 of our conference games are very winnable, and stealing 1 or 2 isn't unthinkable.

What bothers me is that Lowe seems to not go after some of these early shit teams hard enough. No one is gonna be offended if we blow out a team 100-56 or so. He really should do it once or twice a season.

12/13/2008 11:53:19 PM

davidson wont look like a bad loss if we beat marquette and florida. they have a game with duke and i think thats it for their challenges. they will go undefeated from there on out. it was an away game for us and no teams really have great records away from home anymore with the exception of a few.



i like our chances as a sleeper team. if horner gets his confidence back and costner finds his range again we will do damage.


people need to sit back, relax, and not post stupid shit/call and talk smack on LOCAL RADIO (JOHN WALL) that does nothing but hurt our recruiting efforts.

we are just starting to realize what lowe can do for us. i hope we dont shoot ourselves in the foot. AGAIN!

12/13/2008 11:57:25 PM

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"When are you people just going to accept that we don't have good players this year so you can just enjoy the season fwiw"

That is not the case at all but if that is what you want to tell yourself to make it seem better....

12/14/2008 12:03:31 AM

gotta rememeber

packboozie rarely says anything nice about our team. We could beat a team by 50 and he'd still complain. I don't think we are good, but I think we are better than we were last season, more of a team.


We have yet to see any WTF games like we saw vs Central, Presbyterian, and Western Carolina. After 6 games, we are exactly where I thought we'd be, but I guess I shouldn't be satisfied with that. We should beat every team by 40 with our eyes closed.


Whatever.

12/14/2008 12:03:51 AM

The only thing we can say now is that we are comfortably beating the nobodies by 20....wow.

And the hustle and effort is actually there this year. Those are +2. Other than that we still suck at rebounding and boxing out, controlling the ball, passing and turnovers, things like that. Sorry for being a realist.

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"We could beat a team by 50 and he'd still complain."

That's part of the problem. We should be running these shit teams into the ground, not giving walk-ons playing time. Am I the only one who has a problem with this? I mean when a team that just moved to D-1 comes to town, we should be looking to score a 100-50 win.

[Edited on December 14, 2008 at 12:09 AM. Reason : +28]

12/14/2008 12:07:20 AM

not like we didnt suck at rebounding before.

And besides playing these nobodies, who have we played? SO shouldn't you reserve judgement?

I mean if we go 4-12, i'll be the first one to tell you are right.

But you are telling us not to deduce anything from beating nobodies, but you are doing just that

12/14/2008 12:09:09 AM

we're definitely getting better. looking at the box score and the final score, it makes sense. nobody played too long. a lot of people played a lot of minutes. the game was already won in the first half due to playing lights out without fells/degand, and looks like even some walk-ons got some decent time in. it may have been a little sloppy, but 2 starters missed the entire game, one missed the second half, one didn't start the game.

12/14/2008 12:13:46 AM

Reynolds was not even half full today and our game thread is on the 2nd page after a game.....those are telling signs of the program.

It's not like I don't want the team to succeed like you make it seem, but I just don't see us doing much better than 6-10 in the ACC.

And for those saying wait till Lorenzo and co come in, we lose Fells, Costner, and McCauley after this year. Those are easily our top 3 players. Will next year truly be better talent wise?

12/14/2008 12:14:04 AM

or maybe it's because most of our students have gone home for winter break, and most of the ones who are still there are more concerned about exams than a shitty game against a nobody?

12/14/2008 12:18:33 AM

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"i am thinking forth place finish behind unc, wake, and duke."

that is beyond optimistic.

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"Am I the only one who has a problem with this?"

what'd the walkons have? two minutes apiece? no problem there. unless you're talking about simon harris. that i did kindof question, although no one on the team plays harder than he does.

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"playing lights out without fells/degand"

degand is garbage. i cringe every time someone uses his (perpetual) absence from play an excuse.

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"And for those saying wait till Lorenzo and co come in, we lose Fells, Costner, and McCauley after this year. Those are easily our top 3 players. Will next year truly be better talent wise?"

we will if lorenzo brown plays well. our biggest problem, far and away, is not having a guard who can break people down off the dribble.

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"Reynolds was not even half full today and our game thread is on the 2nd page after a game.....those are telling signs of the program."

the reynolds being half empty is the athletics departments fault more than anyone. trying to charge season ticket holders another $20 to watch winston salem state is a terrible idea. give them GA tickets w/ their season tickets, idiots.

[Edited on December 14, 2008 at 12:21 AM. Reason : tickets.]

12/14/2008 12:19:23 AM

We lose Fells, but gain someone who can do everything Fells can do, but might be able to do it consistently. (Lo Brown)

We lose McCauley, but gain someone who can bang inside, and will fight hard for rebounds (Howell)

If we lose Costner it will be because he's ready for the next level, and we'd gain someone like Wall/Favors. That'd mean a talent upgrade. The talent we'd lose is replaceable, the talent we have outside of the two maybe 3 we'd lose would get more experience. We're only going to get better.

12/14/2008 12:27:00 AM

^^ now you know it has more to do with the fact that our team is so bad this year

V was more sarcasm than anything. I feel that we are a LOT better than last year, I just get so sick of people throwing our team under the bus without a just cause.

[Edited on December 14, 2008 at 12:34 AM. Reason : .]

12/14/2008 12:28:46 AM

^Are we bad? We lost one game to Davidson, a team with the best player in the nation. We lost on the road, and it was close. That Davidson team is pretty good. We'll be okay.

12/14/2008 12:30:29 AM

yes, we are bad.

12/14/2008 12:55:24 AM

people who are complaining that we havent blown everyone out havent been paying attention to whats going on in the rest of college ball


many elite programs are looking the same as us

12/14/2008 12:59:06 AM

i'm not saying we're bad from looking at box scores brosef.

i've watched every game we've played, and i can tell you w/ full confidence that we are indeed bad.

12/14/2008 1:01:00 AM

there is a difference between bad and not elite

you seem to struggle with that.

12/14/2008 1:02:24 AM

We haven't had a bad start at all. I'm just not seeing a high elite competitive team so far, but I didn't expect that either.

2 years from now we'll be solid... Yeah, it's a long time to wait relative to UNC or Duke... but here's hoping it's worth it.

12/14/2008 1:04:06 AM