I agree bad neighbors can in ESSENCE lower your property value, because big spenders will not live beside such trash.

12/16/2008 2:19:54 PM

^^^, V You could probably find a picture of it on your county's property tax database.

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 2:21 PM. Reason : ^^^]

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 2:22 PM. Reason : V]

12/16/2008 2:20:38 PM

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"You didn't say it was a shithole."

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"well it costs you tens of thousands dollars in property values because it looks like shit, get back to me with how you feel then ok"

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 2:21 PM. Reason : 

12/16/2008 2:20:41 PM

awesome until you realize the HOA generates revenue from the home owners

12/16/2008 2:22:02 PM

^^ You implied that it looked like shit just because it was a trailer.

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"Now if the thing's falling apart and has three dogs tied to it at all times, that's one thing. But there's nothing inherently wrong with using a prefab building for that purpose."

12/16/2008 2:23:02 PM

no i said it looked like shit buddy

12/16/2008 2:23:55 PM

'looks like shit' could just mean you don't like the style of decor.

'looks like shit' != 'a shithole'

12/16/2008 2:24:59 PM

i'm on my hoa board so that things like this don't happen while i live here - i've been on it since it was turned over to the neighborhood by the builder

12/16/2008 2:25:28 PM

oh dag, I overlooked this part the first time I read it.

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"But Vizzi claims when he moved into his home in 1997, he checked with developers and was told trucks were okay. He was also provided with a set of deed restrictions which were apparently different than the current guidelines."

if he didn't sign off on anything that said the truck had to be kept in a garage, then fuck the HOA. I still think, if possible, he could have just parked the truck in the garage to avoid the conflict. But I don't blame him for parking in the driveway when he never signed anything that said he had to do otherwise.

12/16/2008 2:25:48 PM

fine whatever

you people obviously know the situation better than i do

12/16/2008 2:26:11 PM

Duh.

It's the internet.

12/16/2008 2:26:33 PM

i know

what was i thinking

12/16/2008 2:26:49 PM

I don't know the situation better than you do.

Communication, on the other hand...

12/16/2008 2:27:11 PM

I guess some people just crave rules and structure more than others.

12/16/2008 2:27:26 PM

Also, what kind of dumb fucking rule is it that you can't park trucks in the driveway?

THIS IS A WHITE COLLAR NEIGHBORHOOD, GODDAMMIT. KEEP THE SHIT THAT REMINDS US THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK WITH THEIR HANDS OUT OF OUR SIGHT.

12/16/2008 2:28:16 PM

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"Communication, on the other hand..."

well to me, shit is shit

im sorry you didnt get the memo

12/16/2008 2:29:36 PM

I'm kinda glad I bought my house in a neighborhood w/o a HOA. It probably lowers my property value (but then I guess I would have paid less for it), but on the other hand I'll rake my leaves when I'm god damned ready.

12/16/2008 2:29:54 PM

Summary of 11 page judge's ruling:

-guy won because rule applied to commercial trucks and vans (the word commerical is in the rule)
-guy also says the people that pursued the lawsuit were never "duly elected under the Master Decleration, Bylaws, and Rules and Regulations."

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 2:31 PM. Reason : ]

12/16/2008 2:30:29 PM

You guys should try living in Cary sometime.

12/16/2008 2:30:51 PM

I don't even like driving through cary.

12/16/2008 2:31:26 PM

Considering the dude checked with the developers when he bought the house and was told trucks were OK, I'm surprised the HOA was able to fight it for this long. He had every right to tell them where they could stick it. Sucks that everyone's fees will go up, but in my mind, the residents should be pissed off at the HOA board for pursuing a small detail to such asinine lengths. Especially funny is the detail that the truck, being a dually, physically did not fit in the garage. So he would have had to sell his truck and buy a new, smaller one to satisfy the requirements that he was incorrectly advised of on moving in? Fuck that noise.

Kind of reminds me of the story from a few years back where some guy had an old POS car that he drove to work, and was told by his employer that he could not park the car in the business's parking lot because the employer thought it would make a bad impression on clients. The guy filed a lawsuit over that, though I don't remember how it ended.

12/16/2008 2:31:44 PM

During the 3 years I lived in Cary, my next door neighbor probably got at least 6 citations from the Town of Cary for various things including grass being too long, bushes needing to be trimmed back, trash bin at the curb, and oil stains in the driveway. Keep in mind this was a rental home.

12/16/2008 2:33:50 PM

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"I don't even like driving through cary."

12/16/2008 2:34:31 PM

Fuck that HOA, they challegned, they lost, now they pay. The other residents in the neighborhood should sue the HOA for being a bunch of dicks about one truck and causing a huge assesment.

12/16/2008 2:37:01 PM

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"I remember a few years ago these 2 guys that had a dot com company sold it and made several million dollars. They were in their mid-20's. They bought a house in Irving Park, the rich section of Greensboro. Christmas time rolled around and they put out some colored Christmas lights. The next day, the HOA put a note on their door demanding the lights come down."

while some of the details in this story are incorrect the point remains the same and its a great xmas display. ive enjoyed it each time i've looked at it.

[qoute]You can bitch about property values all you want, but anyone who'd say that your house is worth less because the neighbor has a prefab building in their backyard isn't someone I'd bother talking to anyway.[/quote]

i guess you wouldn't be interested in speaking with people who might buy your property then. anyone who goes to a neighborhood and sees a decrepit raggedy ol' trailer in the backyard of the neighbors house isn't going to be as likely to buy that home as one of the other ones in the house. i sure know i wouldn't. its just an eye sore you don't want to have to put up with it.


The HOA was definitely wrong in this case. especially since the truck didn't fit the stipulations noted in the rules. i can't believe a decent lawyer even let them get that far.

My HOA just raised fees for the second time in three years. This is really aggravating. You can elect the board members, but to my knowledge you have no actual power over which company runs your home owners association, and the one we have is incompetent. They get barely anything done and recently cited "these hard economic times" as why they were raising our rates. the increase in fees is really going to affect those who rent out the homes in the neighborhood as it will cut into their profit and it will also make it harder for new people to qualify for the neighborhood as it'll provide them with a greater debt to income ratio. if they keep raising it like this they'll eventually price themselves out of residency.

12/16/2008 2:51:35 PM

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"i guess you wouldn't be interested in speaking with people who might buy your property then. anyone who goes to a neighborhood and sees a decrepit raggedy ol' trailer in the backyard of the neighbors house isn't going to be as likely to buy that home as one of the other ones in the house. i sure know i wouldn't. its just an eye sore you don't want to have to put up with it. "

Once again, if it looks like shit that's one thing...but a trailer by itself isn't bothering anyone.

12/16/2008 2:54:06 PM

that kinda makes no sense. making the residents pay, fuck that.

12/16/2008 2:54:51 PM

the thing is once its paid off the fees won't reduce.

12/16/2008 3:00:54 PM

how much are most HOA's dues?

possible loss of money on property value vs HOA dues.



[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 3:06 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2008 3:05:58 PM

It's not so much the money (it's a writeoff anyways)... I'd rather not have someone move in next to me and bring their 6 cars, 4 parked on the street next to my house, etc. etc.

12/16/2008 3:09:09 PM

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"or perhaps they will slash his tires and pour bleach on his lawn"

Hopefully if anything like that happens it will be done to the HOA leaders that allowed this frivolous lawsuit to take place.

Maybe the HOA can file bankruptcy and disband itself. If not those residents are going to be hit with a pretty heavy assessment.

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 3:11 PM. Reason : l]

12/16/2008 3:11:15 PM

maybe the HOA is run by a service - a private company who collects and who put up the risk when suing. hopefully the homeowners are not affected by this.

but the man had a point about being able to park in his driveway. that's what driveways are for. if he left an old rustbucket sitting to rot it would be one thing. and what a stupid rule. are you saying that i can park an old ford pinto out front but not a brand new tundra? that rule is about as dumb as the people who tried to sue behind it.

12/16/2008 3:12:32 PM

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"how much are most HOA's dues?"

impossible to say - depends on the amenities provided - typically houses are the cheaper than townhouses and condos

Quote :

"My HOA just raised fees for the second time in three years. This is really aggravating. You can elect the board members, but to my knowledge you have no actual power over which company runs your home owners association, and the one we have is incompetent. They get barely anything done and recently cited "these hard economic times" as why they were raising our rates. "

economic times is hardly a valid reason to raise dues but the things HOAs pay for do go up with inflation and whatnot - such as if they pay for water service which has gone up significantly in the past year or two

the board decides which management company to use and typically sign a yearly contract with them about this time each year - if they suck and the company isn't changed then it's the board's fault

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"maybe the HOA is run by a service - a private company who collects and who put up the risk when suing. hopefully the homeowners are not affected by this. "

unless it's a neighborhood that is 10+yrs old then it's doubtful they have enough capital reserves to pay off 100k without raising dues - regardless of which management company the HOA is run by - they pay for things with the homeowners dues...

12/16/2008 3:18:51 PM

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"i guess you wouldn't be interested in speaking with people who might buy your property then. anyone who goes to a neighborhood and sees a decrepit raggedy ol' trailer in the backyard of the neighbors house isn't going to be as likely to buy that home as one of the other ones in the house. i sure know i wouldn't. its just an eye sore you don't want to have to put up with it."

there is a difference between actual property value and perception of a perspective buyer.

S

12/16/2008 3:21:40 PM

HOLY SHIT here is a sample of their bylaws/covenants.
http://eaglesmaster.org/downloads/ema/RulesAndRegulations.pdf

Read the bottom of page 4, top of page 5 Especially #'s 4-6

12/16/2008 3:23:39 PM

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"It's not so much the money (it's a writeoff anyways)."

i was under the impression that it is only a writeoff if it is a rental, is this not true? because i may have screwed myself on my last few taxes

12/16/2008 3:45:57 PM

No, you are right, PM sent...

12/16/2008 3:47:03 PM

12/16/2008 5:18:28 PM

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"because it is worth thousands, maybe tens of thousands of dollars in property value"

I'd be more worried about the douchebags who enforce these asinine rules being foreclosed on and driving down property values with unsold houses than a guy who parks a truck in a driveway.

With all the shit going on in the world, you'd think people would find better things to occupy their time with.

12/16/2008 6:59:15 PM

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" well it turns out that the hoa covenant was never transferred to the residents, the statue of limitations is up, and the party that developed the neighborhood is dead so they are stuck"

[Edited on December 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2008 8:32:27 PM

I'd be fucking pissed if I was hit with an assessment for this nonsense

12/16/2008 8:37:23 PM