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1/5/2009 11:09:47 AM

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"obviously... because I'm opposed to shanking someone in prison while they're repaying a debt. to society and can see the benefit of uniform and controlled punishment as opposed to vigilanties avenging whatever ticks them off look, I never said the legal system was perfect. But it's the lesser of two evils if the other option involves a random crazy getting pissed at you ans stabbing you."

The real reality is he'll probably learn nothing from his time in prison. I debt he personally finances a dog fighting ring, but he won't keep his nose clean, it's in his genes.

And if you watched the show and saw the aftermath of what he wrought, you'd laugh at anything short of having him chained to a rape machine and let the prisoners finest take their turns.

1/5/2009 11:18:17 AM

eh, I don't know about that. doesn't sound very much like something I would subject someone to.

But I dunno....maybe if he ran a baby fighting ring, I could see a harsher punishment.

1/5/2009 11:26:41 AM

Have you ever developed a bond with a dog?

1/5/2009 11:28:23 AM

I think its time to take up a new cause.

1/5/2009 11:30:34 AM

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"The real reality is he'll probably learn nothing from his time in prison."

who ever does?

you hear about these people that go back to prison several times. many people don't learn from their mistakes, prison is just a time-out for them, just the way things are.

1/5/2009 11:49:46 AM

yep, I love dogs. A dog saved my life. I've had a few dogs. Plan on getting a puppy pretty soon.
However, I am an adult that is capable of separating my emotions from rational thought processes.
Yourself?

1/5/2009 11:55:59 AM

I enjoy Dogtown

1/5/2009 11:57:26 AM

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"yep, I love dogs. A dog saved my life. I've had a few dogs. Plan on getting a puppy pretty soon. However, I am an adult that is capable of separating my emotions from rational thought processes. Yourself?"

Clearly you can't.

1/5/2009 12:05:42 PM

...says the narrow minded man that thinks a person should be shanked/raped/tortured in prison ON TOP of doing the time that he is legally bound to serve. ON TOP of paying fines. Hell, the dogs now live on a fucking farm in a life better than most humans...all on Vick's dime.


really, what the fuck do you do for a living? Please tell me you're not in a position to enforce law, defend people in a court of law, counsel others, or otherwise make decisions that effect others in any meaningful way.


[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 12:25 PM. Reason : baby fighting ring]

1/5/2009 12:14:37 PM

Man, I wouldn't even bother. Its in white folks genes to equate all forms of life.

1/5/2009 12:21:09 PM

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"...says the narrow minded man that thinks a person should be shanked/raped/tortured in prison ON TOP of doing the time that he is legally bound to serve."

I didn't say he should be shanked. Your reading comprehension is terrible. And I wouldn't go accusing someone of being narrow minded when the only thing you know is how to echo the government line. Hell, you seem to be the most intellectually bankrupt person in the entire thread.

1/5/2009 12:25:29 PM

....yeah, uh huh, you just hope that he is shanked. you're making a lot of sense guy.

really, I asked you a question up there. you should answer it, for my own peace of mind.

1/5/2009 12:31:34 PM

Dude will be back in the NFL by 2010.

He won't be a starting QB anywhere, but he will be deadly in the Wildcat formation.

1/5/2009 12:32:13 PM

All I see is a lot of weak trolling, so forgive me if I didn't take the time to care about your questions.

1/5/2009 12:32:55 PM

hey man, call it what you want. I haven't seen anything from you that even resembles any kind of rational argument. but if you can't even man up enough to answer a question, they you are dismissed.

1/5/2009 12:35:37 PM

^^^somebody will need a starting QB and somebody will take a chance on him

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 12:36 PM. Reason : ^^^]

1/5/2009 12:35:54 PM

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"Man, I wouldn't even bother. Its in white folks genes to equate all forms of life."

Plz don't make this a "white people" thread.

p.s., Sounds like we'll rue the day Willy Nilly becomes ill. Fortunately for us all, he is in perfect health.

1/5/2009 12:37:43 PM

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"hey man, call it what you want. I haven't seen anything from you that even resembles any kind of rational argument. but if you can't even man up enough to answer a question, they you are dismissed."

He deserves much worse than he has gotten. What is there to argue? Oh, that's right, you believe in the government and it's efficiency over the people...while forgetting the government is the people. Lol.

1/5/2009 12:40:05 PM

the govt. is the people BOUND BY A SET OF RULES, REGULATIONS, ETC....

Not a random garbage man acting on his own to avenge his personal opinion




perhaps when you weren't reading my 'trolling', you missed where I said the govt. isn't perfect, but it's for damn sure better than relying on shanking for justice!

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 12:48 PM. Reason : 4 gr8 justice!]

1/5/2009 12:45:00 PM

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"while forgetting the government is the people."

Technically this is true, but is practice this is the furthermost thing from being true. Please don't tell me that you REALLY believe the gov is the people.

I was actually only kidding about the white people thing, but seriously I'm glad none of you guys are judges, or have any authority ANYWHERE, as I pity for your kids if you ever have any.

1/5/2009 12:51:51 PM

^^ Shanking for justice may be justified in those "imperfect" times, then.

Gotcha. Glad we agree.

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM. Reason : Shank Vick.]

1/5/2009 12:53:40 PM

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"Please don't tell me that you REALLY believe the gov is the people."

Alright Jefferson, just what the hell is it?

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"perhaps when you weren't reading my 'trolling', you missed where I said the govt. isn't perfect, but it's for damn sure better than relying on shanking for justice!"

This doesn't even make sense. I think the government works wonders in doling out justice, especially in States where we waste millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars navigating the appeals process of a convicted murderer, only to murder him anyway. Some amount of justice we got there, right? Also, government works well in situations where murders...GET OFF SCOT FREE! Awesome man!

If prison were in fact a place that doing pretty shitty stuff on the outside got you shanked, perhaps millionaires would be a bit more fearful of it when they set out to organize a massive dog fighting operation rather than assuming they are untouchable.

1/5/2009 12:56:17 PM

Its the muthafucking Enclave bitches. Ask John Henry Eden. 'Its sometimes best to do a good job, rather than to explain' haha.

1/5/2009 12:58:38 PM

what exactly doesn't make sense about what I said?

I said the govt. wasn't perfect.....you said that doesn't make sense.....and then you rattled off examples of how the govt. isn't perfect....


You have a pretty fucked up view of what prison should be. pick up a criminal law book sometime. I can recommend a few to you if you would like. prisons are supposed to be a punishment, not torture.

you send people to prison so they can repay a debt to society, to reform them, and remove them from socoety....not to torture them.

1/5/2009 1:08:10 PM

No, you send people to prison to punish them. Not feed them better than most folks, give them AC in the summer and cable TV.

1/5/2009 1:09:24 PM

Now that I think about it I think I'd gladly take a non-lethal shanking over several months of prison time. I mean, a couple of quick jabs, some torn flesh and muscle, a week or two of being sore, a few stitches; it doesn't sound that bad really.

If I went to jail the following would result:
- Lose my job, losing tens of thousands in income.
- Pay thousands in mortgage fees for a house I'm not living in.
- Have constant worry that I'd come home to a place that has been robbed or vandalized.

Vick has lost millions of dollars as a result of this. Even if he gets picked back up by an NFL team his livelihood has been permanently damaged. Add to that the fact that his name has been dragged through the mud.

And some of you seem to think the world will be a better place if someone sticks a sharpened toothbrush handle in his side. I'm sure he would have gladly taken a shanking over the rest of the shit he has been through.

1/5/2009 1:21:26 PM

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"Its the muthafucking Enclave bitches. Ask John Henry Eden. 'Its sometimes best to do a good job, rather than to explain' haha."

epic win

1/5/2009 1:26:43 PM

^^ I think the idea behind the shanking is death.

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 1:31 PM. Reason : I'm not advocating his murder. I just wouldn't cry if it occurred.]

1/5/2009 1:30:53 PM

I am lolling at EMCE ing about a black athlete in jail.

How stereotypical!

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM. Reason : OJ didn't do it either, am I rite? lolol]

1/5/2009 1:31:16 PM

haha, you guys really think prison is that awesome?
unless you're sentenced to death? prisons aren't supposed to be death traps.

but there are a lot of people that get sentenced, but don't make it out. between the widespread HIV infections, the violence, and the virtually non existant healthcare system, I sure as fuck wouldn't want to go to prison if I had a choice.




haha, skack. yeah, I guess it wouldn't be so bad if it were a quick in and out stabbing. I don't know how many shankings are non lethal though.
you forgot to mention that after a convict gets out of prison, they're not able to find jobs, a place to live, or support themselves in hardly any way.

1/5/2009 1:36:33 PM

no one should do jailtime for hurting or killing an animal. A fine is good enough. I hunt, so why can I blow a 30 30 shell through the head of a deer - yet can't kill (and eat) a dog? Why is it only "cute" things are saved? I myself, see nothing wrong with dog or cock fighting.

The love of pets is simply another step in the outright movement to emasculate our society.

1/5/2009 1:42:35 PM

Wouldn't almost all shankings be non lethal? You're being stabbed around the midsection with a fairly small blade.

I watched a thing on prison gangs one time, and pretty much everyone interviewed had been shanked at least once.

1/5/2009 1:43:27 PM

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"I don't know how many shankings are non lethal though."

I don't think many people die from it. Hollywood would have you believe otherwise though.

1/5/2009 1:44:32 PM

[qoute]No, you send people to prison to punish them. Not feed them better than most folks, give them AC in the summer and cable TV.[/qoute]


you DO send people to prison to punish them. But believe it or not, there is a psychological and legal reason behind punishment. Torture is not one of these reasons. However, reform, repayment of debt, and the removal of criminal elements from society ARE reasons for punishment.

1/5/2009 1:50:24 PM

Poor 'ole Jeffrey Dahmer got killed in prison, only 2 years into his 936-year sentence.

1/5/2009 1:55:30 PM

...yeah, I know that's a joke.

That still shouldn't have happened though. he did some fucked up shit, and was sentenced to life in prison, but not to die.


hahah, I just saw this:
"If prison were in fact a place that doing pretty shitty stuff on the outside got you shanked, perhaps millionaires would be a bit more fearful of it when they set out to organize a massive dog fighting operation rather than assuming they are untouchable."

mother fucker, punishment and prison isn't as big of a deterent for crime as you obviously think it is. IN SOME STATES, THE SENTENCE FOR MURDER IS EXECUTION. GUESS WHAT....PEOPLE STILL KILL OTHER PEOPLE.



[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 2:04 PM. Reason : .]

1/5/2009 1:59:02 PM

id rather go to prison as a big black dude who plays pro ball than a skinny white dude who fucked and ate a bunch of guys


just sayin

1/5/2009 2:11:23 PM

Okay, so let's say he did just kill dogs (as some of you seem to consider another living being no big deal). The problem with this is that he tortured another living creature. Most of us kill insects all the time, no big deal. But when a person moves up to killing and torturing animals that are decently high up on the intelligence spectrum without any remorse, it's just plain disturbing. It makes me wonder what else they are capable of. Under the right circumstances would they balk at killing or injuring a human? This is the reason I think he needs more time in jail to stew. And we all know he got off easy because of his status in pop culture. If he had been just some regular guy he would have had a lot harsher punishment. At least some of his money went to the care and comfort of the dogs.

1/5/2009 2:27:52 PM

yes, very sick and disturbing indeed. I do think it's a bit of a stretch to say "he might kill a human next". I have no idea about his psychological profile, so I can only speculate.

...and I thought that he received a more harsh sentence than normal because of his status?
I'm asking because I thought the prosecuters and court publically admitted to wanting to make an example out of him. Additionally, assuming the average joe had the resources to do this, do you guys think they would receive the fines as well?
I mean, Vick is broke right now.

1/5/2009 2:36:43 PM

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"IN SOME STATES, THE SENTENCE FOR MURDER IS EXECUTION. GUESS WHAT....PEOPLE STILL KILL OTHER PEOPLE."

Right, because some people still kill people, execution has no deterring effect? What law books have you read, because I'm going to steer clear of those.

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"I mean, Vick is broke right now."

The idea that you seem to have some sort of remorse that he lost his bank roll...his unfathomable (to most of us here) bank roll...regardless of reasons, be it from dog fighting (not the reason) or terrible mismanagement of money (the reason) is really pretty sad. In lieu of the shanking, I'll be satisfied if no pro team anywhere on the planet gives this guy another chance at being a millionaire for playing a fucking sport. The request for the shanking is predicated on the belief that he will get another chance to do just that.

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"yes, very sick and disturbing indeed. I do think it's a bit of a stretch to say "he might kill a human next". I have no idea about his psychological profile, so I can only speculate."

I think one of the generic common markers of most serial killers was they tortured animals at some point in their life. Disregard for life is disregard for life. These aren't plants and cockroaches we're talking about here.

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 2:54 PM. Reason : .]

1/5/2009 2:53:46 PM

Running a dogfighting operation has nothing to do with killing people. Vick didn't torture these animals for the fun of torturing things.

Dogfighting was a respectable sporting event a few hundred years ago, was everyone involved in it back then a potential serial killer? Are all matadors just a step away from killing a busload of school kids?

1/5/2009 3:14:38 PM

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"Vick didn't torture these animals for the fun of torturing things."

Then what did he torture them for, because they were most certainly tortured. Was it so the dog fighting ring could supplement a few thousand a week (I'm pulling numbers out of my ass here) to his millions from the NFL and endorsements?

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"Dogfighting was a respectable sporting event a few hundred years ago"

So was slavery. We're a more civilized people.

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"Are all matadors just a step away from killing a busload of school kids?"

Bull fighting and the continued repeated abuse of these dogs are worlds away from each other. Besides, I never implied Vick has a serial killer streak in him, it was merely a statement about things common to serial killers. Jeez.

1/5/2009 3:21:56 PM

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"Then what did he torture them for, because they were most certainly tortured. Was it so the dog fighting ring could supplement a few thousand a week (I'm pulling numbers out of my ass here) to his millions from the NFL and endorsements? "

No idea

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"So was slavery. We're a more civilized people."

That's not the point I was making. I didn't say dogfighting is acceptable.

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"Bull fighting and the continued repeated abuse of these dogs are worlds away from each other."

In what way?

1/5/2009 3:31:03 PM

Bullfighting is WORSE than dogfighting. Good thing that's illegal here too.

The Mexicans and Spaniards should be ashamed of themselves that it's still legal in their countries.

1/5/2009 3:32:56 PM

^ Also the French

1/5/2009 3:36:08 PM

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"mother fucker, punishment and prison isn't as big of a deterent for crime as you obviously think it is."

yep. that's what I typed. I'm still wondering how from that you extrapolated "has no deterrent effect"

And it's absolutely true. If the death penalty (our most harsh sentence), had a huge deterrent effect, then we really wouldn't see the numbers of murders that we see. For example, in texas, you're almost certain to be sentenced to death if you're convicted on murdering someone. Are there still murders in texas?

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"The idea that you seem to have some sort of remorse that he lost his bank roll"

I'm positive that you like having things put into your mouth, but please don't put any words in mine. I never said that I felt sorry for his sentencing. I never have. Even when his trial was going down, I said that he deserves whatever legal punishment that he gets.

Denied.

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"I think one of the generic common markers of most serial killers was they tortured animals at some point in their life. Disregard for life is disregard for life. These aren't plants and cockroaches we're talking about here."

Sorry, that's just pop psychology. Not really true. Stop guessing.





Vick engaged in dog fighting because he saw it as a sport. It's a sport to train and fight animals. And can be pretty lucrative from betting on dogs, selling dogs, and buying dogs.

1/5/2009 3:48:01 PM

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"And it's absolutely true. If the death penalty (our most harsh sentence), had a huge deterrent effect, then we really wouldn't see the numbers of murders that we see. For example, in texas, you're almost certain to be sentenced to death if you're convicted on murdering someone. Are there still murders in texas?"

Since we're pulling unquantifiable shit out of our ass here, how many would there be if Texas DIDN'T execute murders? A lot more.

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"Sorry, that's just pop psychology. Not really true. Stop guessing"

No, that's pretty well established in the psychology world as accurate.

^ Oh ok, as long as I look at it as a sport, I can engage in anything!!!!

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM. Reason : *]

1/5/2009 3:52:55 PM

This thread is stupid.

Haha.

1/5/2009 3:54:02 PM

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"Disregard for life is disregard for life."

Well killing is killing.

That's means if you eat meat you encourage murder? Right? According to your analogy?

1/5/2009 3:55:12 PM