opinions...

1/20/2009 4:11:30 PM

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"He's the leader of the greatest country on the planet"

which is why i will support him

however, that wasnt reason enough for you to support bush, so fuck you

1/20/2009 4:11:31 PM

The anti-American label was slapped on a lot of people who disagreed with the Iraq War and a number of issues like wiretapping and torture. It was a cheap tactic to vilify dissenters.

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"it's anti-american to say "now we have our president" or some of the things im hearing daily sir, you've always had a president, as long as you've been in america. if he wasn't yours, then that's pretty anti-american"

i haven't heard anyone say that and it doesn't strike me as anti-American.

1/20/2009 4:11:32 PM

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"It was a cheap tactic to vilify dissenters."

kinda like saying anyone who doesnt like obama's policies is a racist

1/20/2009 4:13:04 PM

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"he comes off as a nice and uniquely intelligent person"

he simply rattles off what his writers have written for him. why can't people realize that all politicians at his level are simply puppets of their parties?

1/20/2009 4:13:42 PM

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"kinda like saying anyone who doesnt like obama's policies is a racist"

who the fuck says this

1/20/2009 4:13:44 PM

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"however, that wasnt reason enough for you to support bush, so fuck you "

When Obama starts a war on false pretenses, and presides over one of the worst economies in history, i'll spit in his face too.

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"he simply rattles off what his writers have written for him. why can't people realize that all politicians at his level are simply puppets of their parties? "

Obama wrote his best speeches himself. Nice try though.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2009 4:13:54 PM

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"He's the leader of the greatest country on the planet, and he comes off as a nice and uniquely intelligent person (relative to our last president)."

I'd rather my philosophical opponent be a stupid kind of evil than an intelligent kind of evil. k thanks.

1/20/2009 4:14:22 PM

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"who the fuck says this"

a bunch of retarded simpletons, like moron on page 1 of this very thread, for example

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"When Obama starts a war on false pretenses, and presides over one of the worst economies in history, i'll spit in his face too."

whine whine whine


[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 4:14:33 PM

he also believes everything he hears on TV

1/20/2009 4:15:29 PM

^^ lol, I didn't say anything close to that.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:19 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2009 4:15:31 PM

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" which is why i will support him however, that wasnt reason enough for you to support bush, so fuck you"

what does "support" mean to you?

1/20/2009 4:15:53 PM

did treetwista break the thread?

1/20/2009 4:16:36 PM

its not surprising that you don't even understand the concept of supporting someone you don't agree with

1/20/2009 4:16:49 PM

thread's all broken for me

1/20/2009 4:17:17 PM

i'm asking an honest question

1/20/2009 4:17:57 PM

i doubt your radical political ideology would allow you to understand the concept so i wont even try

1/20/2009 4:18:33 PM

why not?

1/20/2009 4:19:08 PM

did you support bush?

1/20/2009 4:19:23 PM

no

1/20/2009 4:19:48 PM

depends on the definition of support.

i didn't support many of his decisions. but i hoped for the county's sake that things would work out well despite those missteps. i hoped that many of the things that he tried to do would be thwarted by other branches of government exercising their constitutional roles (that was not the case most of the time).

1/20/2009 4:21:06 PM

a lot of these arguments are basically assuming that one politician is equal to every other politician except in party.



i also do not believe barak obama to be political jesus at this point. be excited about potential, thats fine.

1/20/2009 4:21:21 PM

well i personally will support whoever is president...including obama starting today, and bush starting 8 years ago...thats just me though...to me, the concept seems pretty simple...i'm a US citizen...he's the president...he's not going to get impeached, etc...why not support him?

clearly there were a shit ton of people who didnt support bush, despite him being our president, so i dont think they'll understand my concept

1/20/2009 4:21:39 PM

i'm interested what you mean by support for someone who you will obviously disagree with on many things. i've told you (to the best of my ability) my level of support for bush. you seem like you're somehow disgusted that people didn't support bush adequately, what is the difference? what do you feel was lacking? how should people better support presidents who they don't think are doing good jobs?

1/20/2009 4:23:28 PM

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"why not support him?"

i don't believe that supporting anyone blindly and not questioning their views and decisions is a healthy practice.

i will say that my past feelings on the presidency for the last 8 years would have been different had it been McCain instead, party has nothing to do with it

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:24 PM. Reason : x]


i mean, why support him? if enough people vocalize their concerns, it should have an impact. do we elect people who we believe already make all the right decisions or do we elect people who listen to their constituency?

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:25 PM. Reason : INTERNET IS SRRS BITNESS]

1/20/2009 4:23:41 PM

^^i'm not going to make threads and continuously bitch about obama and blame all my problems on obama, like a bunch of you people did with bush...the people who do that didnt support bush

they're all sucking the media's cocks anyway and believing anything they hear, fuck them, who cares

^i'll blindly support whoever is president, because not supporting them isnt going to do any good...its just going to make you a real asshole for 4 years who seems like they have a stick up their ass because they're SO UPSET at the same shit politicians have been doing forever...why let that shit get to your head?

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 4:25:10 PM

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"i don't believe that supporting anyone blindly and not questioning their views and decisions is a healthy practice."

1/20/2009 4:25:47 PM

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"clearly there were a shit ton of people who didnt support bush, despite him being our president, so i dont think they'll understand my concept "

Bush had the highest approval rating of any president ever, and he left with among the lowest (if not THE lowest). He squandered his support all on his own.

Bush is not president anymore, you can stop being delusional.

1/20/2009 4:25:57 PM

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"Bush is not president anymore, you can stop being delusional."

Bush is not president anymore, so you can stop blaming him for everything wrong in your life

1/20/2009 4:27:10 PM

Supporting Bush is like supporting a coach who is fucking up your program.

It would be best for the country (program) if they succeeded at their job. But you know it's not going to happen, so you would like for them step down or get fired so they don't continue to flush the country (program) down the shitter.

1/20/2009 4:28:17 PM

^^ hehe because that's exactly what I did.

It's sad how much you bought in to the neocon philosophies.

Hopefully you'll recover one day.

I support you treetwista.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:29 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2009 4:28:17 PM

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"do we elect people who we believe already make all the right decisions or do we elect people who listen to their constituency? "

1/20/2009 4:29:10 PM

wtf is the neocon philosophy? i didnt expect faggots like you to be talking so much shit once your candidate won

1/20/2009 4:29:53 PM

the problem is the constituency is dumb as a brick. both blue and red.

1/20/2009 4:30:20 PM

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"i'll blindly support whoever is president, because not supporting them isnt going to do any good...its just going to make you a real asshole for 4 years who seems like they have a stick up their ass because they're SO UPSET at the same shit politicians have been doing forever...why let that shit get to your head? "

i vehemently disagree with that.

we must hold all of our politicians to the fire. i've sent senators and congressmen letters and emails. hell i emailed obama during the campaign with some issues with which i had disagreement/confusion about his stances. being a passive participant in our government is not what i believe this country to be about.

1/20/2009 4:30:25 PM

i really don't think politicians give a fuck about letters and emails that their interns open

1/20/2009 4:31:55 PM

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"the problem is the constituency is dumb as a brick. both blue and red."

There is some truth in that. but you better ask people working for you, no matter who it is, doctors, lawyers, contractors, to back their shit up. otherwise it'll be easy for them to get lazy with it.

1/20/2009 4:32:51 PM

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"wtf is the neocon philosophy? i didnt expect faggots like you to be talking so much shit once your candidate won "

You're very angry for such a beautiful day outside, and a new president. I recommend going outside and building a snowman to calm down. You don't have to worry about trying to support Bush's policies anymore.

1/20/2009 4:32:52 PM

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"When Obama starts a war on false pretenses, and presides over one of the worst economies in history, i'll spit in his face too"

moron - would you really do that? I don't think you would...

1/20/2009 4:32:54 PM

I wouldn't literally do that no, but figuratively, probably.

1/20/2009 4:34:09 PM

its actually pretty cold and snowy outside but point taken

i wont "have" to support bush's policies anymore

because you wont be bitching about them every hour of every day, making me feel like i needed to defend them

1/20/2009 4:34:31 PM

will you be defending obama's when inevitably people will bitch about them?

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"i really don't think politicians give a fuck about letters and emails that their interns open"

perhaps not mine individually, but collectively, i think it does make a difference

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 4:35:40 PM

the day that 90% of a college messageboard is constantly bitching about obama's policies, you're damn right i'll defend them

but we know that day will never happen

1/20/2009 4:36:53 PM

Where do I order my

O (logo)

The President

sticker?

1/20/2009 4:37:00 PM

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"the day that 90% of a college messageboard is constantly bitching about obama's policies, you're damn right i'll defend them but we know that day will never happen"

we do?

you have no idea what will happen.

but i'm pretty certain you won't.

you didn't support our governor for instance when nearly everyone (including me) was talking shit about him in recent months.

1/20/2009 4:38:19 PM

i'm pretty fucking certain i know more about what i'll do than you do

and if i didnt support the governor, its cause i wasnt even posting in the threads...i wasnt supporting him or bashing him

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:39 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 4:39:08 PM

you just seem to be spouting off holier than thou crap that you can't back up with anything. all the while implying that all of us are just shitty people for bitching about a president who we disagree with.

this is what a democracy is all about. our presidents are just people fulfilling a job. they are not perfect. they fuck up. lots. and it's our job to call them out.

1/20/2009 4:41:25 PM

how am i supposed to back up something that hasnt happened yet?

you're just mad because unlike most of you partisan slaves, i can actually (GASP!) support whoever is our president

wow what a crazy concept that is

so crazy that you literally had to ask for a definition, since its so out of your realm of reason

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:43 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 4:42:51 PM

no the difference is that i don't blindly support any elected representatives.

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"so crazy that you literally had to ask for a definition, since its so out of your realm of reason"

no, because there are lots of definitions to the word.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 4:44:25 PM

everyone effectively blindly supports elected officials

some people just think writing letters will make a difference!

1/20/2009 4:45:35 PM