if she was a construction worker no one would care.

she is a teacher and parents care about these kind of things. Why? Because kids join gangs and shoot each other.

2/9/2009 2:18:31 PM

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"but take that same photo and send it to your boss. Im sure he will love it"

they may not like it but she can not fire me for it unless it was sent to invoke a threatening attitude or showed me with my firearm at my place of employment.

2/9/2009 2:22:47 PM

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"i have an asshole of privacy settings. Im keeping my shit from people I dont know."

Why put information on the internet that is that sensitive anyway...

2/9/2009 5:39:26 PM

^^ sending a photo of your self pointing a gun at a camera would be considered a threat. Are you retarded?

^ its not sensitive. I want to look at it and I want my friends to look at it. I dont want people I do not know to look at it. Not really rocket science.

2/9/2009 5:45:29 PM

While you should be able to put whatever you want on your facebook page...you can't

This dumbass teacher should've learned from the other teachers who have been fired or suspended for having questionable content on their own facebook pages

2/9/2009 6:09:10 PM

I would never post anything on the internet that I did not want to show in the public. That's all i am saying so for me privacy setting are really not useful.

2/9/2009 6:21:25 PM

good for you!

2/9/2009 7:04:55 PM

The woman's an idiot. When one of the cardinal rules of guns is to never point a gun at a person, why would you think it's a good idea to simulate doing so? Especially when you work in a place where there is absolutely no tolerance for guns.

I don't think she should've been suspended though. The fact that this is in Wisconsin of all places is probably the most shocking part.

2/9/2009 7:26:14 PM

What even makes it looks funnier is that it looks like a professional portrait.

2/9/2009 8:32:38 PM

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"You say that pointing it at a person is wrong, but don't see the issue of pointing it at a camera."

Pointing a gun at a person violates the first rule of gun safety. Pointing a gun at a camera means you better have the money for a new camera. Two very different things that aren't even close to the same ball park.

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"she's pointing it right at the camera and the viewer."

So then, if this were a picture of her blowing a kiss at the camera, would she be suspended for making sexual advances at her students?

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"I have a problem with teachers pointing guns at cameras and using said picture as their profile picture. "

Why? What makes it any worse than if it was a picture of her pointing the gun at any other inanimate object?

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"look at the photo and take the exact same picture of yourself and post it outside your cubicle and yr ass will get yelled at. Shit why dont you email the photo to your boss! Im sure the cops will be talking to you."

Except she didn't hang it up in her classroom, didn't email it to the principal and as far as the article states, didn't distribute it to the students in her class. She had it on a web site. Would we be all fired up if she drank beer and smoked on her front porch at home and some students walking down the street saw her?

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"she is a teacher and parents care about these kind of things. Why? Because kids join gangs and shoot each other."

I'll bet you ever dollar that I earn for the rest of my life that every single one of her students has been to a movie where someone was shot in the movie or some had a gun in the movie. Hell E. fucking T. had guns in the movie, they even were going to use them on a kid riding his bicycle. If seeing your teacher with a gun is going to cause your kid to join a gang and shoot each other, you have failed as a parent, and hopefully your child takes you out before he kills himself so that your genes are eliminated.

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"When one of the cardinal rules of guns is to never point a gun at a person, why would you think it's a good idea to simulate doing so?"

For the same reason that the james bond opening exists, it makes for a good shot.

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"Especially when you work in a place where there is absolutely no tolerance for guns. "

Again, if she were distributing the site to her students, the school might have a case. But she wasn't. It had nothing to do with her work, period.

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"hat even makes it looks funnier is that it looks like a professional portrait."

If by professional portrait you mean she took the picture and blacked out the background.

2/9/2009 8:54:51 PM

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"Pointing a gun at a person violates the first rule of gun safety. Pointing a gun at a camera means you better have the money for a new camera. Two very different things that aren't even close to the same ball park."

You're right, this is an obvious auto-timer shot.

2/9/2009 8:57:06 PM

Is it obviously not? Look, just because you can't get a good shot with your disposable Kodak Fun Share Plus My Little Princes First Camera doesn't mean the rest of the world is as incompetent.

2/9/2009 9:03:43 PM

Good thing she found a camera that was worth hunting.

2/9/2009 9:05:12 PM

What people do with their own property isn't any concern of yours (thankfully). Doesn't make it wrong, inappropriate, dangerous or any of those other nasty words that mean our young and innocent children will be scarred for life. Children who by the time they have reached middle school have seen Daffy get his beak blown off, sat through at least one sex ed course (anyone else have to see the birth video), been through the trash that is DARE or any of the other school anti drug programs, watched a guy get his hand cut off (Star Wars, PG-13), and have probably at one point or another simulated pointing a gun at their peers (see Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, Laser Tag, Nerf Guns and Cap Guns). Never mind the video games.

Does anyone really think this picture is what's going to push these little delicate snowflakes into gangland shootings?

2/9/2009 9:14:28 PM

You can say what you want, but being a teacher you know you have 'those' people to worry about just because you deal with kids. I am not saying I agree with the school, go back and read, I am saying if I was a school teacher there would no way in hell I would post this to the internet because of 'those' people that disagree. Really she shouldn't even have to take the picture down really (I know she did it on her own will), but she should have knew something like this could have happened.

2/9/2009 9:31:48 PM

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"hat even makes it looks funnier is that it looks like a professional portrait."

Oh absolutely she should have known something like this could happen. Parents are bat shit insane, they really are. But if we live our lives around "those people" our society becomes a hell hole that no one wants to live in.

2/9/2009 10:04:20 PM

Yeah, I totally agree, but I know one thing for sure and that's if I ever become a teacher I will not post a picture of my pointing a gun at the camera

2/9/2009 10:11:13 PM

uh

i would rather you not teach any kids

2/9/2009 10:12:48 PM

You most be one of 'those' people.

2/9/2009 10:40:38 PM

The issue isn't about her having guns. The issue is about her fucking stupid idea of taking a "gangsta" picture.

2/9/2009 10:57:41 PM

^ thanks

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2/9/2009 11:17:27 PM

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"The issue isn't about her having guns. The issue is about her fucking stupid idea of taking a "gangsta" picture."

So if the picture instead was of her decked out in urban clothes, and gold chains, we'd be wanting her suspended as well yes?

And if she were blowing a kiss at the camera, we'd want her arrested for making sexual advances to her students right?

2/10/2009 1:28:32 AM

From another article....

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""(Ramsdale's motivation) Nothing negative or hostile," (school superintendent) Childs told 27 News. But Childs refused to identify Ramsdale's motivation for posting the photo as her profile photo on the social networking website, which allows almost any web surfer access to it. Ramsdale has told 27 News she immediately removed the post when it was questioned, but has answered no questions about the post or her leave. Childs told 27 News he doubted Ramsdale would face disciplinary action over the web post. Childs called Ramsdale "a good and capable teacher." In a statement, Christopher Ahmuty of the American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin said Ramsdale should not have been forced out of the classroom. "Absent any evidence that the teacher poses a threat, the district should not over-react to the sight of a gun in one of their employee's hands.""

http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9801650&nav=menu1362_10

2/10/2009 2:16:35 AM

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"The woman's an idiot. When one of the cardinal rules of guns is to never point a gun at a person, why would you think it's a good idea to simulate doing so?"

You have no evidence upon which to label her an idiot. How is a photo of a gun being pointed at the camera a simulation of pointing a gun at a person? I mean, I think I see what you're saying, that if you looked at the photo, and you were crazy in the brain, you might confuse that static image with reality and actually think someone was pointing an actual gun at you... Which is beyond dumb. And even if it was a simulation of a gun being pointed at someone, who's to say that someone isn't an attempted murdered that should have a gun pointed at them? IT'S JUST A FUCKING PHOTO.

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"Especially when you work in a place where there is absolutely no tolerance for guns."

Good thing the gun was never in that place

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"Pointing a gun at a person violates the first rule of gun safety. Pointing a gun at a camera means you better have the money for a new camera. Two very different things that aren't even close to the same ball park"

Exactly.

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"What people do with their own property isn't any concern of yours (thankfully). Doesn't make it wrong, inappropriate, dangerous or any of those other nasty words that mean our young and innocent children will be scarred for life. Children who by the time they have reached middle school have seen Daffy get his beak blown off, sat through at least one sex ed course (anyone else have to see the birth video), been through the trash that is DARE or any of the other school anti drug programs, watched a guy get his hand cut off (Star Wars, PG-13), and have probably at one point or another simulated pointing a gun at their peers (see Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, Laser Tag, Nerf Guns and Cap Guns). Never mind the video games. Does anyone really think this picture is what's going to push these little delicate snowflakes into gangland shootings?"

Well put.

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"but she should have knew something like this could have happened"

Perhaps, but simply being aware that illogical, wrong-headed, over-reactionary, down-right stupid things could occur, shouldn't mean that you should censor your actions to prevent it. If I put up a "There is no god" sign in my yard, where my highly religious neighbors who may be prejudiced against atheists could see it, and it got defaced, shouldn't I "have known something like this could have happened"? Sure. Does that mean I shouldn't have done it? No. Does that make it wrong to do? No.

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"The issue isn't about her having guns. The issue is about her fucking stupid idea of taking a "gangsta" picture."

How is it "gangsta"? It's very hard for me to take this statement as a serious point, and not simply as prejudice and intolerance.

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"In a statement, Christopher Ahmuty of the American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin said Ramsdale should not have been forced out of the classroom. "Absent any evidence that the teacher poses a threat, the district should not over-react to the sight of a gun in one of their employee's hands."

ACLU for the win. As always.

[Edited on February 10, 2009 at 7:27 AM. Reason : ]

2/10/2009 7:23:07 AM

I think we all can agree that its not breaking the laws, and she shouldn't be disciplined for it, but the fact of the matter is is that certain people have statures that have to be upheld at all cost. I can understand someone's concern over this, but it doesn't reflect anything out of the normal spectrum, per se, of human activity.

2/10/2009 8:40:33 AM

fuck this thread and Beaver Dam WI

2/10/2009 9:48:24 AM

Haha.

2/10/2009 9:54:02 AM

Well, at least the story wasn't about her shooting up the place. Then we'd have to deal with the media angle about how hew facebook account "had all the warning signs" and how "something should have been done before this tragic event."

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2/10/2009 1:37:42 PM

and then how if all the teachers were armed this shit would never happen.

2/10/2009 3:07:48 PM

WAKE UP PEOPLE

YOU CAN BE FIRED OR DENIED A JOB FOR SHIT YOU PUT ON THE INTERNETS

THIS INCLUDES JANITORS, MIDDLE SCHOOL TEACHERS, AND AEROSPACE CEOS

did you people just now discover the internet? is this your first day outside your parent's home?



the fact is, it's your repsonsibility to figure out what your employer, be they public or private, will tolerate.

this is the reality, so y'all better get fucking used to it.

2/10/2009 4:40:13 PM

Amen.

2/10/2009 4:41:35 PM

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"YOU CAN BE FIRED OR DENIED A JOB "

I'm not questioning the right of an employer to fire (or not hire) someone for whatever reason he/she wants. The issue is the School board's wisdom in suspending someone because they don't like guns.

It sounds like, from reading the follow-up article, that this teacher had the photo up for some reason unrelated to her job. She took the photo down immediately after the school board got after her.

It would be interesting to know why she posted that particular pic.

2/10/2009 5:19:05 PM

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"t would be interesting to know why she posted that particular pic."

would it? really? because you want to know the motivation of people who post facebook photos in general, or just those with guns?

or maybe you've just got a thing for hot middle school teachers that started back with the release of Van Halen's 1984?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1wbo_van-halen-hot-for-teacher_extreme

2/11/2009 10:49:24 AM

Wow, I actually agree with the ACLU on some thing lol

2/11/2009 11:13:10 AM

Chalk one up to excessive paranoia. What gets me is she was reported by a fellow staff member - way to be a blue falcon. You couldn't have gone to her to complain before you ratted her out? Meh.

Still, in this day in age, you're an idiot if you post things like that online and expect nothing bad to come from it.

2/11/2009 12:20:08 PM

This was in fucking Wisconsin.

have you ever been there?

I know several extremely liberal people from Wisconsin who now live in new york and they still go back and shoot deer every season. They bring them back on the plane in coolers.

People from Wisconsin fucking love guns.

2/11/2009 1:25:43 PM

whatever, dont glamorize wisconsin. its no different than any other state.

people from AMERICA love to shoot their guns. gun lovers are all over Washington, they're all over Tennessee, and every other state.

2/11/2009 5:17:25 PM

however the difference is that Wisconsin hasnt been invaded by people from New England for the last 30 years.

2/11/2009 5:23:31 PM

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"What gets me is she was reported by a fellow staff member - way to be a blue falcon. You couldn't have gone to her to complain before you ratted her out?"

lol seriously, must've had the gun pointed at them before or something

2/11/2009 5:24:43 PM

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"as it I see it theres really nothing wrong with having that photo at all. i'll go as far to say its poor judgement on her part, but only because she should have thought about how certain up tight people would perceive it. for example, i'd never put a pro-choice photo up because some people hold a negative connotation with that and I rather not involved in the bullshit surrounding it. regardless, this does not warrant suspension"

agreed.

2/13/2009 5:55:03 PM

you guys should get together and lube each other up.

2/13/2009 6:56:20 PM