Amphetamine Salts is the generic for Adderall

4/8/2009 6:47:41 PM

i too have had 90 day prescriptions for adderrall

4/8/2009 7:35:15 PM

I've been on some form of ADHD medication my entire life. When i was little, it was 10mg pills of Ritalin three times a day. In middle & high school it was Concerta (XR ritalin). Now I take 20mg amphetamine salts twice a day.

I think Concerta was the least effective.

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 7:45 PM. Reason : .]

4/8/2009 7:45:34 PM

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"adderall is also a weak MAOI (MAOIs, as their name implies, break down monoamines like dopamine and NE)"

MAOI means the exact opposite of that. Mono-Amine Oxidase INHIBITOR.

[Edited on April 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM. Reason : meaning it prevents the oxidation of amine compounds and thus they stay active in the brain longer]

4/8/2009 8:04:15 PM

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"i too have had 90 day prescriptions for adderrall"

no, you haven't, unless your doctor and pharmacist were both completely retarded.

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"MAOI means the exact opposite of that. Mono-Amine Oxidase INHIBITOR."

LAWL sorry about that, i had a retard moment this morning. i meant to say that MAOs break down the catecholamines like you said.

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"but i was under the impression that it's still technically illegal to post date a prescription for a controlled substance"

it is.

4/8/2009 9:17:59 PM

retarded or not, i still have the fucking bottle if you want me to take a picture...

4/8/2009 10:02:09 PM

^please take pic, I'd like to see also.

4/8/2009 10:08:00 PM

Blurr out all the info, or these assholes will try to get your doc's license revoked for shits and giggles.

4/8/2009 10:09:58 PM

4/8/2009 10:33:53 PM

well i'll be damned. that looks like it was filled at a central filling center as well...

the only way i could see getting away with that would be to write the script for 20mg but tid, with the intention that you would actually take them qd... but it very clearly says qd... so...

p.s. i wasn't trying to hate on you, son, i was just a bit surprised

4/8/2009 11:06:36 PM

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"Blurr out all the info, or these assholes will try to get your doc's license revoked for shits and giggles. "

so you do admit that it's an illegal practice.

4/9/2009 1:13:12 AM

I have no idea if it's legal or not! Must be legal since it happened, but that won't stop people here from being assholes.

4/9/2009 1:20:57 AM

just for shits and giggles, let's google it:

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"Schedule II controlled substances require a written prescription which must be signed by the practitioner. There is no federal time limit within which a Schedule II prescription must be filled after being signed by the practitioner. While some states and many insurance carriers limit the quantity of controlled substance dispensed to a 30-day supply, there are no specific federal limits to quantities of drugs dispensed via a prescription. For Schedule II controlled substances, an oral order is only permitted in an emergency situation."

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/manuals/pract/section5.htm

wasn't that easy...

[Edited on April 9, 2009 at 3:32 AM. Reason : ^^pwnt extra sour considering you're in pharmacy school]

4/9/2009 3:15:46 AM

wait... huh?

i could have SWORN there was a regulation in place that limited sII scripts to 30 days... why else would they have to ALLOW practitioners to write 3 sequential 30-day scripts? any prescription can be restricted by writing the "do not fill until ____" provision on it... and every practitioner i know won't write a script for more than a 30-day supply of sII stuff...

but, alas... i pored through both the CFR and the NC statutes relating to pharmacy/the CSA... and there is indeed nothing that specifies this...

wtf? any ideas, hgtran?

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"Must be legal since it happened"

your logic is infallible.

4/9/2009 12:06:51 PM

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"your logic is infallible."

You think the next time my doc writes me a script for 90 days of adderall I'm gonna say "OMG don't do that!"? I think not.

4/9/2009 1:21:29 PM

hard work?

4/9/2009 1:40:41 PM

^^^sometimes, when we´re wrong...

4/9/2009 3:39:35 PM

well, I've just read over the rules. Apparently, 90 days supply is the max you can do with CII prescriptions. The reason we usually see 30 days is that most insurance only willing to pay 30 day at a time.

4/9/2009 4:07:05 PM

Anyone use this substance before? Did it help your attention span, concentration and memory? Also did it make you more talkative in social situations?



Adrafinil / Olmifon Enhances Mental Clarity
and Alertness

Adrafinil / Olmifon improves brain chemical processes to boost alertness without affecting normal sleep patterns

Adrafinil is part of a new class of drug called ?eugeroics?, which means ?good arousal?. Designed to promote vigilance and alertness, it is a stimulant and anti-depressant that helps to sharpen mental focus by enhancing the chemical processes within the brain without affecting heart rate or pressure.

Approved in many European countries for treating narcolepsy, a condition characterized by excessive daytime sleepiness and other unusual symptoms, Adrafinil has also been found to provide benefits to non-narcoleptic users. Generally, they find that Adrafinil gives them increased energy and reduces fatigue, while improving cognitive function, mental focus, concentration and memory. It has been reported that quiet people who take Adrafinil become more talkative, reserved people become more open and passive people become more active.

Compared with more familiar stimulants, ranging from caffeine to methamphetamine, Adrafinil is considered gentler because it provides similar benefits but with much less of the anxiety, agitation and insomnia associated with these conventional stimulants. In particular, Adrafinil?s unique ability to only arouse when stimulation is required means that the user is able to sleep when he or she wishes to.

The effect of Adrafinil, unlike conventional stimulants, builds subtly over a period of days to months. This appears to be based on its ability to selectively stimulate adrenergic receptors in the brain. These receptors normally respond to norepinephrine (noradrenaline), a neurotransmitter linked to alertness, learning, and memory. This is in contrast to conventional stimulants, which stimulate a broader spectrum of brain receptors, including those involving dopamine. Its more focused activity profile may account for Adrafinil's relative lack of adverse side effects.

4/10/2009 1:41:04 PM

adrafinil is just metabolized to modafinil... why not just go with that to start?

provigil is an interesting drug... it doesn't work at all with some people (me) but with others, it's crazy effective.

4/10/2009 1:55:47 PM

i'm guessing b/c of:

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"it is not illegal to possess without a prescription and can be imported privately by citizens"

4/10/2009 2:01:44 PM

Modafinil is Schedule IV, which means possession of it without a prescription carries about as much penalty as running a red light.

However, just because something metabolizes into an active substance doesn't mean the original chemical can't be active in the body as well.


[Edited on April 10, 2009 at 6:47 PM. Reason : possession of Schedule IV isn't illegal, but obtaining it could be]

4/10/2009 6:43:14 PM

Adrafinil is a prodrug of modafinil aka provigil. Difference is Adrafinil is twice a day dosing, which I find preferable. It was never approved in the US, so the only option is to buy it from overseas. Haven't taken it long term so I can't comment on that.

4/11/2009 9:22:36 AM

lol druggies

4/11/2009 11:49:17 AM

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"Adrafinil is a prodrug of modafinil aka provigil."

we've already been over that

4/11/2009 12:29:26 PM

You didn't mention the difference in dosing.

IMO provigil sucks. If I take enough for it to do anything I can not get a good night's sleep. I can't take it more than a couple days a week.

4/11/2009 6:12:59 PM

i knew some girl who went to the school doc and got some addy to just lose weight. she told me she read the symptoms off the internet and went to the doc and told him thats what she had.


.... i find it funny that you people need drugs for self discipline

4/11/2009 6:44:38 PM

some of us needs drugs to be able to stay awake for 8-10 days straight.

4/11/2009 9:27:46 PM

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"^or now doctor's get paid by pharm companies to sell their product. I think about 98% of the population have "ADHD" or "ADD" or whatever you guys want to call it. NO ONE WANTS TO SIT THERE AND CONCENTRATE AND WORK ON THINGS"

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".... i find it funny that you people need drugs for self discipline"

I realize you tards might have a problem believing that not everyone's brain works the same way as yours.

I've been diagnosed as having extreme ADD multiple times during my life. I never took medication as a child, or in school. You guys have very skewed interpretations of what it's like to have the condition. ADD has damn near nothing to do with self-discipline, or doing things you don't like. I've been on medication for less than three months, and the change in my quality of life has been tremendous.

I have an almost normal sleep schedule, an almost normal appetite and meal schedule, and my life away from work has improved dramatically. The thing is, unless I told you, you'd never know I was taking it or that anything was any different. It's not like a horse tranquilizer

4/12/2009 2:25:24 AM

Noen, i never thought i'd agree with something you posted...

this is truly a great day.

4/12/2009 6:41:07 PM

In your case it may be true. But in the vast majority of cases its lack of discipline that is the cause to these mental stigmas. I'm not saying everyone's brain works the same, but I am saying that for the vast majority of people on some form of drug aren't strong enough to discipline themselves and rely on drugs to allow them to function when in reality all they need is dedication.

4/12/2009 7:50:29 PM

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"for the vast majority of people on some form of drug aren't strong enough to discipline themselves and rely on drugs to allow them to function when in reality all they need is dedication."

do you have any evidence to back up this claim? or are you just talking out your ass again, as usual?

4/12/2009 8:00:36 PM

I talk from personal experience. I have also talked to two professors ( of psychology ) who also agree with me. Money makes the world go round... thats all this is.

4/12/2009 8:17:09 PM

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"In your case it may be true. But in the vast majority of cases its lack of discipline that is the cause to these mental stigmas. I'm not saying everyone's brain works the same, but I am saying that for the vast majority of people on some form of drug aren't strong enough to discipline themselves and rely on drugs to allow them to function when in reality all they need is dedication."

Vast majority is just an ignorant assertion. And you are making such an enormous blanket statement, it's impossible to prove. You are making the equivalent statement of the Scientologists' "Mental illness is a lie".

I agree with your sentiment, I think our culture absolutely overmedicates to avoid real problems (not just with mental health). But to say it's a "vast majority" or even a majority, is a pretty dumb thing to say.

How do you know that this group of people you are talking about are mentally tough enough to "discipline themselves"? How do you know they wouldn't have a mental breakdown or snap into some other much more serious mental disorder as a result of behavior modification? And you realize that the reason people over medicate for mental issues is because of a LACK of money, not because of the pharmaceutical industries desire for it. Seeking psychological counseling is dramatically more expensive, even with healthcare, than prescribed drugs are.

This isn't a problem of the individual, it's a problem of the individual IN a society that gives few alternatives.

4/13/2009 2:43:40 AM

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"I talk from personal experience. I have also talked to two professors ( of psychology ) who also agree with me."

that isn't evidence.

4/13/2009 10:00:09 AM

whatever makes you feel normal about yourself.

buddy

4/13/2009 12:32:31 PM

i'll be honest, i take adderall because it's a safer/more legal alternative to another substance that i had a problem with that helped me to focus on my work. and really, adderall doesn't do shit when you compare it to it's bigger, badder brother. :/ it's like putting a band-aid on a stab wound, but any little bit helps when you're desperate to function like a normal human being.

i used to get 3 rx's at once, but my doctor prescribed another med to me on a whim, and his intern wrote the wrong prescription. so i got to the pharmacy, and the pharmacist was like omgwtf, are you sure your doctor wrote the right thing down? he wouldn't return the pharmacist's calls, so i'm afraid to waste the money going into another doctor if i don't know i'll get 3 months worth at once. money's just too tight right now to risk it.

ah, the wonderful world of narcotics...

4/13/2009 5:24:17 PM

what did the intern write for?

4/13/2009 5:44:52 PM

300mg wellbutrin xr, 3x daily. i mean, seriously... that doesn't even make sense.

4/13/2009 5:55:48 PM

lol, that's a little bit of wellbutrin

4/13/2009 5:56:16 PM

hahaha i know! i went ahead and got 20 wellbutrin to give it a trial run. apparently, it made me even crazier. the only antidepressant that has done shit for me is remeron (mirtazapine). it makes you eat everything within a 10 mile radius, though... i sleep-eat whenever i take it. i had to start boobytrapping my kitchen with chairs and shit so i wouldn't wake up in a pile of junk food.

4/13/2009 6:01:22 PM

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"300mg wellbutrin xr, 3x daily"

lolwut

wellbutrin xr is always qd... typically 300mg although i've seen 450mg (3x 150mg).

4/13/2009 9:07:33 PM

I've discovered for most parts, interns don't know jack about medications.

4/14/2009 12:24:26 AM

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"for the vast majority of people on some form of drug aren't strong enough to discipline themselves and rely on drugs to allow them to function when in reality all they need is dedication."

I am plenty dedicated and motivated, thanks.

4/14/2009 4:08:24 PM

gettin all lippy and shit

jk jk

4/14/2009 4:31:51 PM

Have you tried Focalin?

Basically it is the isomer of Ritalin that is responsible for all of the "good" side effects of Ritalin, without the isomer that contributed to a lot of the side effects (who would have thunk chirality is actually important!!). I've been very happy with it, but I take a low dosage.

4/14/2009 9:05:45 PM

she can't afford adderall, and you want her to go get focalin?

4/14/2009 9:55:38 PM

just cause that bottle up there says 90 doesnt mean its a 3 month supply. maybe i missed something, and i'm not saying anyone is lying... but i have a prescription on file at my doctor's office for 30mgx3 daily that i can go in and pick up once a month, just in case i ever want to start back on it. my doctor wants me to, but im kinda anti-pill.

and i'm pretty sure thats the legal limit.

ps - uncg has a pretty good ADHD program that offers alternatives to dope

------edit-------
oh i did miss something, it says take one a day. either way, my prescriptions are only valid for like 28 days at a time or something and i thought mine was the max

4/15/2009 8:58:28 AM

^most likely because your insurance wouldn't pay more than 30 day supply at a time.

4/15/2009 6:11:31 PM

ADD is an excuse

4/15/2009 6:44:03 PM