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fucking hippies and their dissent

making America weak

6/6/2009 12:18:22 PM

So why does Obama get his panties in a wad over Republican dissent?

6/6/2009 12:27:23 PM

he doesn't

you do

6/6/2009 12:28:28 PM

SO WHY DID HE WRITE A REPORT SAYING RUSH LIMBAUGH WAS A TERRORIST?


what? he didn't?
are you sure....?

6/6/2009 12:47:04 PM

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"Hahahaha. B-b-b-b-b-but, Bill Ayers!!!"

Str8Foolish

6/6/2009 6:02:58 PM

let's try to stay in the present

this thread will be bumped when necessary

edit: for page 2

we should actually keep this thread alive to document all the right wing kooks that the DHS tried to warn us about before fox news and republicans went apeshit


West Side man John Zaubler charged with threatening Judge Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/06/05/2009-06-05_west_side_man_charged_with_threatening_judge_sonia_sotomayor_president_obama.html

Arrest warrant issued for Daniel James Murray, man 'on a mission to kill' President Obama

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/06/05/2009-06-05_arrest_warrant_issued_for_new_york_man_who_threatened_to_kill_president_obama.html

and of course

Security tight for Tiller funeral

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-tiller-funeral7-2009jun07,0,5957036.story

Tiller suspect says he's 'being treated as a criminal'

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-abortion-tiller5-2009jun05,0,4987789.story

to be continued, most likely and most unfortunately

[Edited on June 6, 2009 at 6:22 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on June 6, 2009 at 6:25 PM. Reason : ,]

6/6/2009 6:21:41 PM

Bill Ayers was, in fact, the man.

Also, is anyone honestly surprised that stuff is already sliding down the slippery slope of "terror"? I am surprised the definition of "citizen" hasn't been expanded to include "terrorist" already.

6/7/2009 10:17:48 AM

^^^ What relevance does Bill Ayers have right now? Is he a threat?

6/7/2009 10:56:01 PM

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"The suspect in Wednesday’s shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum is James von Brunn, an 88-year-old white supremacist from Maryland, two law enforcement officials told CNN."

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=22396

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"How many acts of right-wing terrorism have to occur before DHS is allowed to start keeping track of it? I really don’t get the conservative reaction to the original DHS pronouncement. No one is trying to lump angry Red State commenters in with honest-to-God terrorists…except, weirdly enough, the Red State commenters themselves. There are crazy people out there shooting up abortion clinics and Holocaust museums. These people identify with causes normally described as right-wing. Deal with it. Tea bag away to your heart’s content. It’s not til you start plotting to kill people that DHS should take an interest. If anyone starts spying on you prior to that, then I, the ACLU, and dirty hippies everywhere will support your grievances."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/james_von_brunn_a_profile.php?ref=fpblg

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"On December 7, 1981, a man named James W. Von Brunn pulled out a sawed-off shotgun at the Federal Reserve Board headquarters, claiming to have planted a bomb and threatening to take members of the Board hostage. That was 40 years to the day after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, though it's unclear whether that's a coincidence or not. Years later, he'd describe the entire incident somewhat differently: In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal."

From the DHS Pronouncement about the possibility of right-wing terrorism:
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/immigration/2009/04/dhs-warns-of-rise-of-right-wing-hate-groups.html

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""Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures. Anti-Semitic extremists attribute these losses to a deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish “financial elites.” These “accusatory” tactics are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize those already subscribing to extremist beliefs. ... Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities."

Spin away, guys, while innocents die.
Update: The guard is dead.

[Edited on June 10, 2009 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2009 3:44:09 PM

http://www.politicususa.com/en/Holocaust-Museum-FNC

6/11/2009 8:41:27 PM

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"In the news again, Hate blogger Harold "Hal" Turner was arrested at his home today in North Bergen on federal charges filed in Chicago alleging he threatened to assault and murder three federal judges there because of their ruling upholding a handgun ban, officials said. "We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period," said Patrick J. Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois of the comments posted by Turner on his blog earlier this month regarding Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. "Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed," Turner wrote on June 2, officials said, adding that Turner listed names, photos, phone numbers, work addresses and room numbers of the three judges."

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2009/06/hate_blogger_hal_turner_arrest.html

6/25/2009 2:50:59 PM

^ I actually came here wondering if that had been posted. He was one of salisburyboy's heroes towards the end of his downward spiral and I still check his website for a bit of comic relief.

The guy is a nutcase who often makes up stories hoping that one will pan out and he'll gain some credibility. He also devotes a good portion of his site to attempting to incite others to do crazy shit in the name of the white race. He's too much of a pussy to get his hands dirty, so he just keeps his fingers crossed that someone else will do it for him and then when the angry white people overthrow the government he'll be looked up to as a leader.

Anonymous ran a pretty hilarious campaign against him a few years back.

6/25/2009 3:59:13 PM

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"Dissent is terrorism now"

6/25/2009 4:01:32 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-garbus/murder-threats-and-the-fi_b_226983.html

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"Murder Threats and the First Amendment In the Hal Turner case, you have a specific threat aimed at a specific person giving specific information on how to find that person. In effect, so, too, did Joe the Plumber. It is true that once one's name is given, the Internet Googler can probably have gotten the names and addresses of those being threatened (maybe not as easy with judges) but Turner's placing it there makes it easier for a potential killer who is encouraged by having this extra information and endorsement. But Mr. Turner (and Joe the Plumber) are part of the political dialogue of the country. Turner is not a private person saying that another private person should be killed, where the test must be different. We presume Mr. Turner has a constituency that may or may not act on his threats. It is also true that the potential killer may ask if it's so important for the judge to die, why didn't Mr. Turner do it or try and arrange it. It may be true that even before Mr. Turner posted the information, a number of other people may have had the same thoughts. But Mr. Turner's language may push some people over the edge."

I'm curious as to how this will pan out. The guy is an idiot nutcase, but it's really debatable as to which side of the law he's on.

7/7/2009 3:16:47 PM

The juxtaposition of the 2 things was intended to promote violence. I don't think free speech clause allows for the inciting of violence. The intent, to me, seems pretty clear.

7/7/2009 4:16:37 PM

#1, from just that excerpt, it doesn't sound like the guy is "inciting violence."
#2, inciting violence would be the crime, not the speech.
#3, I'm not very comfortable with the "he pushed me over the edge" spiel. Seems like bullshit, if you ask me.

7/7/2009 6:41:46 PM

saying "so and so deserves to die, someone should get them" - free speech

saying "so and so deserves to die, someone should get them, here's their address, phone number, etc.." - inciting? perhaps

7/7/2009 6:56:24 PM

it's despicable, but i dunno.

7/7/2009 6:58:23 PM

What do you think his intent was there, with that statement? What reason would be to post that information, in that context? It's not like he was saying "hey write this guy a letter, here's the address."

If you see some arab guy with a turban running around screaming "allah akbar" with a trigger in his hand, what would you think his intent was? You don't wait until after he presses the trigger and say "ooooohhh, THAT'S what he was talking about!" This is practically the same thing.

7/7/2009 8:24:12 PM

i think its extremely dangerous to begin saying what someone's intent is and then judge them on that. but, that's just me

7/7/2009 9:19:23 PM

He's constantly saying that people should commit specific violent acts and describing the way to go about doing them, though never saying anything along the lines of "this person will die." However, when federal judge Joan Lefkow's husband and mother were murdered he placed a large picture of her on his website with the caption "GOTCHA!"

There's a clear pattern of intent, but he's done a pretty good job of dancing around the law. I'm really not sure how I feel about prosecuting someone who's too much of a pussy to carry out his own will.

7/7/2009 9:57:26 PM

^^ are you kidding? We judge peoples' intents all the time. It's the backbone of our judicial system.

7/7/2009 10:34:40 PM

^Yeah this is absolutely true. 95% of my Criminal Law class last semester was gauging the difference in mental state between negligent/reckless/knowing/intentional

[Edited on July 7, 2009 at 11:19 PM. Reason : whoops]

7/7/2009 11:18:54 PM

Yeah, but that's in LIBERAL ACADEMIA!!

Get your head out of the clouds, hippie.

7/7/2009 11:25:45 PM

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"are you kidding? We judge peoples' intents all the time. It's the backbone of our judicial system."

The hell it is. Intent is only used to prove the severity of a crime. In other words, intent is not the crime. Jeez, you are an idiot.

7/8/2009 6:58:50 PM

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2009/07/nazis-in-us-military-splc-will-ask.html

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"Why, it feels like only yesterday that every right-wing talker on the planet -- from Michael Savage to Greta Van Susteren -- was denouncing the Department of Homeland Security for supposedly "smearing our veterans" by issuing a bulletin for law-enforcement officers warning that right-wing extremists and neo-Nazis intended to recruit members of the military and returning veterans. Well, we've already seen just how prescient the bulletin actually was -- after Richard Poplawski, Scott Roeder, and James Von Brunn all proved its point. Now Stars and Stripes is reporting on just how far, indeed, neo-Nazis have infiltrated our military ranks"

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"On Friday, the SPLC will present its findings to key members of Congress who chair the House and Senate committees overseeing the armed forces and urge them to pressure the Pentagon to crack down. “In the wake of several high-profile murders by extremists of the radical right, we urge your committees to investigate the threat posed by racial extremists who may be serving in the military to ensure that our armed forces are not inadvertently training future domestic terrorists,” Morris Dees, SPLC co-founder and chief trial counsel, wrote to the legislators. “Evidence continues to mount that current Pentagon policies are inadequate to prevent racial extremists from joining and serving in the armed forces.” Added Mark Potok, editor of the Intelligence Report, a magazine produced at the law center: “The Pentagon really has shrugged this off and refused to look at this in any serious way.”"

7/14/2009 11:12:07 AM

has irony ever caused anyone to have a cerebral aneurysm?

7/15/2009 1:21:20 AM

Schmoe? Back from the dead?

7/15/2009 3:39:51 AM

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"Apparently, dissent is terrorism now."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_George_W._Bush

7/15/2009 5:30:44 AM

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"It is clear that many elements in the pro-abortion congress and White House want to force Americans to pay for the murder of the unborn in their “healthcare” program. If that happens, it is tantamount to the government putting a gun to taxpayers’ heads to pay for the brutal murder of an innocent child. This is tyranny and evil of the highest order. [...] And I believe — if my reading of history from America and around the world is correct — that there are others who will be tempted to acts of violence. If the government of this country tramples the faith and values of its citizens, history will hold those in power responsible for the violent convulsions that follow."

- Randall Terry, Operation Rescue

7/20/2009 3:12:59 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html

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" Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service US President Barack Obama is the target of more than 30 potential death threats a day and is being protected by an increasingly over-stretched and under-resourced Secret Service, according to a new book. Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service. Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history. Most however, are kept under wraps because the Secret Service fears that revealing details of them would only increase the number of copycat attempts. Although most threats are not credible, each one has to be investigated meticulously. According to the book, intelligence officials received information that people associated with the Somalia-based Islamist group al-Shabaab might try to disrupt Mr Obama's inauguration in January, when the Secret Service co-ordinated at least 40,000 agents and officers from some 94 police, military and security agencies. More than a dozen counter-sniper teams were stationed along the inauguration parade route and the criminal records of employees and hotel guests in nearby buildings were scrutinised. Despite all this, there were glaring loopholes in the security. Kessler describes how more than 100 VIPs and major campaign donors were screened by metal detectors but then walked along a public pavement before boarding "secure" buses and were not checked again. It could have been relatively simple for an assassin to have mingled with them in order to get close enough to shoot the new president. After Mr Obama was elected president, his two children Malia, 11, codenamed Radiance, and Sasha, eight, codenamed Rosebud, began receiving Secret Service protection. Mr Obama's wife Michelle is codenamed Renaissance. The Secret Service also started to protect Vice-President Joe Biden's children, grandchildren, and mother. Instead of bringing in more agents - instantly identifiable because of their bulky suits, worn over bullet-proof jackets, and earpieces - the Secret Service directed agents to work longer hours to cover the extra load and to miss firearms training, physical fitness sessions and tests. "We have half the number of agents we need, but requests for more agents have fallen on deaf ears at headquarters," a Secret Service agent told Kessler. "Headquarters' mentality has always been, 'You can complete the mission with what you have. You're a U.S.S.S. agent'." Mr Biden's constant travel, including back to his home state of Delaware-the burden has meant that all agents on his team have ceased training. According to Kessler, however, they fill in forms stating they have "taken and passed all tests, when they have not, creating a dishonest culture". The Secret Service has increasingly cut corners after it was absorbed by the new Homeland Security Department under Mr Bush. Kessler said that when Mr Biden threw the first pitch at the first Baltimore Orioles game of the 2009 season, the Secret Service did not screen any of the more than 40,000 fans, stunning his agents and the local Secret Service field office."

8/3/2009 6:11:59 PM

Marines ban Twitter, Facebook, other sites

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/04/marines.social.media.ban/index.html

8/4/2009 1:02:26 PM

Belated Anger Over the Stupidity of this Thread Follows:



This thread is nuts, son. For *8 fucking years*, the patriotism of Democrats/Liberals/"Progressives" was questioned by the Bush administration at every turn, not to mention the nutbag pundocracy (thanks Schmore for the Coulter reference). Yet a report on the legit threat of domestic terrorism raises your fucking eyebrows!? Shhhhiiittt.

Like it or not, domestic terrorism has been a problem. And some of that threat comes from right wing extremists (why has Timothy McVeigh not been mentioned). That's just the facts jack.

There is no reason to think you will get pulled over for having a fucking RON PAUL BUMPERSTICKER!!
STOP OVER REACTING!!!

thnx.

[Edited on August 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ``]

8/4/2009 4:50:54 PM

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"Brad Miller Death Threat: Capitol Police Looking Into Phone Call Made To Congressman Over Health Care Reform WASHINGTON — A North Carolina congressman who supports an overhaul of the health care system had his life threatened by a caller upset that he was not holding a public forum on the proposal, his office said Friday. Democratic Rep. Brad Miller received the call Monday, one of hundreds the congressman's office has fielded demanding town-hall meetings on the health care proposal, said his spokeswoman, LuAnn Canipe. She said the callers were "trying to instigate town halls so they can show up and disrupt.""

ok, which one of you did it?

[Edited on August 8, 2009 at 10:20 AM. Reason : .]

8/8/2009 10:19:41 AM

In the past we've seen plenty of people causing noisy disruptions at political events get tased and dragged away. No that I'm saying I want that to happen with these particular kooks, but they do seem to be getting a pass. Why?

Is post-Bush America less tase-happy?

8/8/2009 6:11:02 PM

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"In other words, intent is not the crime. Jeez, you are an idiot."

Could you explain the difference between murder and manslaughter, then?

8/8/2009 8:49:30 PM

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"An official with the AFL-CIO, a federation of labor organizations, passed on what he described as a "pretty direct threat" to those union hands who were showing up to balance out anti-Obama demonstrations being waged at local Democratic forums. "I will be going to a local town hall this weekend, all you union members BEWARE!" an emailer wrote at 9:40 Saturday morning. "We will be waiting for you. better make sure you have arrangements with your local ER. today is the day when the goon meets the gun. see you there.""

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"An official with the SEIU said she had received 50 such emails, including the following one, which was edited to make suitable for publication. "You socialist f---s have the nerve to say stop the violence at the town hall meetings when they weren't violent until you p---ies showed up because your n----- leader obama said to?????? When we have ours in Racine, Wi, I want you there. I want one of your little b----- to put his hands on this Marine. I want one of you to look or talk to me wrong. I'll be the last thing your ignorant faux body guards will remember for a very long time. You can f---ing guarantee that.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/08/unions-receive-increasing_n_254704.html

ibtOMGHUFFINGTONPOSTLIBRLMEDIA

8/8/2009 10:48:40 PM

Update on the Hal Turner charges:

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"Lawyer: Man accused of judge threat was FBI source CHICAGO — The lawyer for a blogger accused of threatening to kill three Chicago-based federal judges says his client has been an FBI informant. Attorney Michael Orozco also says his client gave authorities information about a plot to assassinate President Barack Obama. Orozco made the statement during a bond hearing Tuesday after his client, extremist blogger Hal Turner, pleaded not guilty. Turner is accused of telling visitors to his Web site that the three judges "deserve to be killed" for upholding Chicago's ban on handguns. But federal prosecutor William Hogan told the judge that he'd "never heard anything about that" and that Turner's contacts with the FBI ended "some time ago.""

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jGjfCkbb0lJpx4RYiwNr1BrjYgnAD99NJFJ80

He'd been denying allegations that he was an FBI informant since anonymous found correspondence between him and the feds on his server several years ago. This keeps getting funnier. If only salisburyboy were here to entertain us with his theories.

8/10/2009 4:13:36 PM

This needs to be in here, too.

'Un-American' attacks can't derail health care debate
By Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer
August 10, 2009

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"These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/unamerican-attacks-cant-derail-health-care-debate-.html

8/10/2009 4:18:27 PM

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"Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. "

tru dat

8/10/2009 4:29:37 PM

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"Could you explain the difference between murder and manslaughter, then?"

Could you explain where the intent is the crime? Because you have yet to do so

8/10/2009 7:02:15 PM

There are multiple crimes where intent is the actual crime. Possession of paraphernalia laws exemplify this. What's the difference between an legal tobacco pipe and a bowl? You intend to smoke illegal substances in one, and not the other (theoretically).

8/10/2009 7:04:06 PM

and yet, again, the intent is still not the crime by itself. You know, kind of my point. durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

8/10/2009 7:09:29 PM

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"Section 1(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1977 provides: "...if a person agrees with any other person or persons that a course of conduct shall be pursued which, if the agreement is carried out in accordance with their intentions, either - (a) will necessarily amount to or involve the commission of any offence or offences by one or more of the parties to the agreement, or (b) would do so but for the existence of facts which render the commission of the offence or any of the offences impossible, [added by S.5 Criminal Attempts Act 1981] he is guilty of conspiracy to commit the offence or offences in question." "

8/10/2009 7:57:42 PM

^^ your point is that remote mind reading technology hasn't been invented yet?

Clearly the law is written to target intent. If you're arguing that you're arrested for the possession of the bowl, and not the intent to smoke, then you are more naive than i figured (actually, you are about as naive as I figure). How ridiculous would it be for lawmakers to make it illegal to "intend" to smoke illegal drugs? They skirt this obviously logically flawed position, by using proxies for intent. The critical aspect in seeing where intent is the factor is that you can have a device that is functionally identical to a bowl, but not a bowl, that's legal.

8/10/2009 8:02:23 PM

again, intent is not the crime. you sure fail at this. The agreement to commit a crime is the crime. durrrrrrrrrrrr

8/10/2009 8:02:32 PM

ha, okay. I guess there is no hope for someone who believes that Obama was born in Kenya.

8/10/2009 8:04:15 PM

haha. I;'m glad to see that you are admitting defeat

8/10/2009 8:15:30 PM

open up a law book, you mongoloid fuck.

8/10/2009 8:42:01 PM

nice ad hominem. glad to see you admitting defeat, too

8/10/2009 8:47:24 PM