i was wondering how long he would make it without mentioning edomites

4/30/2009 6:29:39 AM

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"I honestly don't care what you or anyone else think about me as long as I am right."

Rule #1: You can't argue with a fanatic. All you can do is shake your head.

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"Do you think the Bible has anything good to say about Muslims? I'll start off light ..."

Case in point, the man is so caught up in his fear of Islam that he forgets his history. The bible does not say a single thing about Muslims. Islam didn't come into exsistance until the 7th century ACE - well after the Bible was written.

Of course you could say, "it's a prophecy about Islam", but it's hard to deny that the writer was talking about events current at the time. Any negative painting of Islam from scripture is purely an invention and as more to do with the reader's predisposition than the actual scriptures.

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"I honestly don't care what you or anyone else think about me as long as I am right."

[Edited on April 30, 2009 at 8:58 AM. Reason : *~<]BO]

4/30/2009 8:56:31 AM

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"The bible does not say a single thing about Muslims. Islam didn't come into exsistance until the 7th century ACE - well after the Bible was written."

more people should study REL300 hahaahaa (like the OP)

[Edited on April 30, 2009 at 11:36 AM. Reason : silly facts]

4/30/2009 11:36:14 AM

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"As soon as you posted this garbage, you implied that there was a "problem" with a limited number of "solutions." Of these, almost all are repugnant -- the targeted expulsion, killing, banning, or controlled breeding of Muslim people specifically. These would all make you a horrible and very un-Christian person. The only possible "solution" that doesn't make you fucking evil is a targeted increase in Christian reproduction, which on second thought actually still makes you pretty fucking evil, just not quite as much. You didn't actually suggest any of these things, but clearly you hoped to find support for one or some of them. Otherwise, why post this? Clearly you think it's a bad thing that the Muslim population in certain countries is increasing. That in and of itself makes you a bad person, but what's really scary is apparently you came in here expecting and hoping that someone else would take the bulk of the flak by suggesting a way to fix it."

Respond to this. Actually respond to it in your own words. No more scripture (although your Bible quotes are the only cogent sentences in any of your posts).

4/30/2009 11:37:35 AM

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"Who are the Ishmaelites? Isn't it any more obvious that it's the Muslims and most of the nations surround Israel?"

the tribes of Israel did not uniformly coalesce around specific religions. they did mostly remain in certain areas, however. all the tribes are modern-day Arabs, but guess what? not all Arabs are Muslims. Not all Muslims are Arabs.

Muhammad himself was not even part of any tribe mentioned in the Bible. Your prophecy scholarship might fly with Tim LaHaye, but not among anyone that reads a book on Middle Eastern demographics.

5/4/2009 6:10:13 PM

if we are going to start discussing the tribes again can we just btt some salisburyboy threads?

5/4/2009 8:25:05 PM

You guys. Don't be mean. You drove jignc1684 away from his own thread.

5/4/2009 8:53:34 PM

religion is so awesome

5/4/2009 9:15:23 PM

the edomites win again!

5/4/2009 9:41:35 PM

No I've been busy. Your not gonna hurt my feelings. There is plenty of stuff in the Bible that talks about the enemies of the Jews. The people that want to destroy them and wipe them off the face of the earth. Who else could that be then the people that want to wipe them off the face of the earth?

Let's go back to Psalm 82, which I posted. Specifically Verses 11-12

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"11 Make there nobles like Oreb and Zeeb And all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, 12 Who said, "Let us possess for ourselves The pastures of God.""

Who is Zebah and Zalmunna? They were the two kings of Midian, that Gideon killed for enslaving the Jews and leaving them with no sustenance or cattle - Judges 6:4. In Judges 8 , after he defeated their army of about 135,000 with about 300 men:

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"18 Then he said to Zebah and Zalmunna, "What kind of men were they whom you killed at Tabor?" And they said, "They were like you, each one resembling the son of a king." 19 He said, "They were my brothers, the sons of my mother. As the LORD lives, if only you had let them live, I would not kill." 20 So he said to Jether his firstborn, "Rise, kill them." But the youth did not draw is sword, for he was afraid, because he was still a youth. 21 Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, "Rise up yourself, and fall on us; for as the man, so is his strength." So Gideon arose and killed Zebah and Zalmunna, and took the crescent ornaments which were on their camels' necks. 22 Then the men of Israel said to Gideon, "Rule over us, both you and your son, also you son's son, for you have delivered us from the hand of Midian." 23 But Gideon said to them, "I will not rule over you, nor shall my son rule over you." 24 Yet Gideon said to them, "I would request of you, that each of you give me an earring from his spoil." (For they had gold earrings, because they were Ishmaelites.) 25 They said, "We will surely give them." So they spread out a garment, and every one of them threw an earring there from his spoil. 26 The weight of the gold earrings that he requested was 1,700 shekels of gold, besides the crescent ornaments and the pendants and the purple robes which were on the kings of Midian, and besides the neck bands that were on their camels' necks. "

Hmmm for a reformed religion supposedly worshiping the one true God, they've made it a really bad habit still carrying that crescent moon around.



But this is one of best:

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"Joel 3 The Nations Will Be Judged 1 "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land. 3 "They have also cast lots for My people, Traded a boy for a harlot And sold a girl for wine that they may drink. 4 "Moreover, what are you to Me, O Tyre, Sidon and all the regions of Philistia? Are you rendering Me a recompense? But if you do recompense Me, swiftly and speedily I will return your recompense on your head. 5 "Since you have taken My silver and My gold, brought My precious treasure to your temples, 6 And sold the sons of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks in order to remove them far from their territory, 7 behold, I am going to arouse them from the place where you have sold them, and return your recompense on your head. 8 "Also I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the sons of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, to a distant nation," for the LORD has spoken. 9 Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare a war; rouse the mighty men! Let all the soldiers draw near, let them come up! 10 Beat your plowshares into swords And your pruning hooks into spears; Let the weak say, "I am a mighty man." 11 Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations, And gather yourselves there. Bring down, O LORD, Your mighty ones. 12 Let the nations be aroused And come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat, For there I will sit to judge All the surrounding nations. 13 Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, tread, for the wine press is full; The vats overflow, for their wickedness is great. 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and moon grow dark And the stars lose their brightness. 16 The LORD roars from Zion and utters His voice from Jerusalem, And the heavens and the earth tremble. But the LORD is a refuge for His people And a stronghold to the sons of Israel. 17 Then you will know that I am the LORD your God, Dwelling in Zion, My holy mountain. So Jerusalem will be holy, And strangers will pass through it no more. Judah Will Be Blessed 18 And in that day The mountains will drip with sweet wine, And the hills will flow with milk, And all the brooks of Judah will flow with water; And a spring will go out from the house of the LORD To water the valley of Shittim. 19 Egypt will become a waste, And Edom will become a desolate wilderness, Because of the violence one to the sons of Judah, In whose land they have shed innocent blood. 20 But Judah will be inhabited forever And Jerusalem for all generations. 21 And I will avenge their blood which I have not avenged, For the LORD dwells in Zion. "

Tyre, Sidon is Lebanon
The surrounding nations are the surrounding nations
Egypt is Egypt
Edom is Arabia, probably Jordan

I like prophecies that are being fulfilled after 2800 years or so.

[Edited on May 7, 2009 at 9:23 PM. Reason : /]

5/7/2009 9:22:31 PM

5/7/2009 9:44:11 PM

It is important to understand that the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian, and kindred peoples of European descent are the true descendants of the Israelites. They are God's true Chosen people. The so-called "Jews" are not the descendants of the Israelites, but imposters. A large portion (if not most) of them are descendants of Esau/Edom, Jacob/Israel's brother. As the Bible recounts, Esau hated Jacob/Israel, and God despised Esau and his descendants, even promising their ultimate destruction. They are the ones referred to in Revelation 2:9 who "say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

The religion of these Edomite "Jews" is actually heavily occultic in nature--and ultimately Luciferianism. The most important book of the religion is the Babylonian Talmud, which originated out of the Babylonian occult. The Talmud perverts the teaching in the Old Testament Scriptures, is virulently anti-Christian, teaches the "Jews" that non-Jews are subhuman "cattle" whom the "Jews" may kill, steal from, and cheat. It also teaches that the "Jews" are to conquer and subdue all other races and dominate the world, and is thus the ideological foundation for the drive of this Jewish cabal for world domination and supremacy. As the literal disciples and followers of Satan, this Jewish cabal harbors bitter and eternal murderous hatred for God's true chosen people.

The Jewish-controlled establishment and mainstream media presents the Jews as the perpetual "victims", and constantly reminds us of the "Holocaust" story (which is largely a complete fabrication and the numbers dead grossly exaggerated) in order to provide the Jews complete immunity from all criticism. But the truth is the complete opposite. The Jews (ie, this Jewish cabal) are actually the masters of genocide. They are the ones seeking to exterminate humanity. Even if 6 million Jews died in World War II (which did NOT happen), what about all the other real "Holocausts" and genocides in history? What about the 45-50+ million people who died in World War II? What about the systematic murder of tens of millions in the Soviet gulags by the (Jewish) Communists? What about the genocide of 1.5 million Armenians in Turkey? Or the two million in Cambodia?

5/7/2009 11:40:29 PM

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"I like prophecies that are being fulfilled after 2800 years or so."

What?! ... ::shakes head:: This guy will twist anything to support his preconcieved beliefs. It seems obvious to me that text is talking about specific events that occured contemporaneous with the writing - not about a non-exsistant religion that won't show up for 3000 years. Again, there is nothing in the bible about Islam.

5/8/2009 10:31:26 PM

I don't even have a problem with there being references in the Bible to future events/religions.

I do have a problem with the idea that a just, loving, and almighty God has singled out a particular religion that believes in effectively the same just, loving, and almighty God for his wrath. Especially when the first god in question is the same one that presumably sent his son to die here in hopes that we'd love each other rather than set ourselves up to hate each other based on vague references from even longer ago.

That said...

GOUDA

SWISS

CHEDDAR

MONTERREY JACK

Because frankly this asshat warrants no better.

5/8/2009 10:38:12 PM

^^^ you forgot 911 geez what kind of conspiracy theorist are you?

[Edited on May 8, 2009 at 10:39 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2009 10:38:50 PM

I forgot

LIMBURGER

Or whatever that cheese is that stinks real bad.

5/8/2009 10:39:41 PM

Dear jignc1684,

Please stop taking my holy scriptures out of context. You can do whatever the hell you want with your "New Testament," but there is nothing in the Hebrew Bible that says anything about Islam being wrong.

p.s., Fuck off.

5/10/2009 7:34:56 PM

^This coming from a guy who, by wolfweb standards, is vehemently anti-Muslim. Just to put that into perspective for you, jign.

And for Pete's sake, bdmazur, actually read the post before you accuse me of accusing you of being anti-Muslim.

5/11/2009 1:35:47 AM

^I understand what you meant, but I want to clarify for those who haven't ready my other soap box rants that I've never been anti-Muslim, only anti-Hamas

5/15/2009 7:39:10 AM