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5/12/2009 1:12:01 PM

1 cup




MAZEL TOV!!!!!

5/12/2009 1:17:16 PM

yea

5/12/2009 1:18:37 PM

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"Nay. The government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all."

well that is never going to happen, so how about a realistic opinion?

5/12/2009 1:20:44 PM

CIVIL UNIONS FOR EVERYBODY!!1!

5/12/2009 1:22:30 PM

^^ Some would say the prospect of government recognized gay marriage was never possible. Why should I adopt what you consider to be a pragmatic stance when I find the idea of government involvement in personal affairs to be unnecessary?

5/12/2009 1:26:39 PM

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"Nay. The government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all."

Huh? You're saying that marriages shouldn't be defined or denied by the government, but you're also saying that marriage shouldn't be between individuals of the same sex? I mean, you could be saying that -- the two issues are different.... I just wanted clarification. If the government got out of the business of marriage, what would stop same sex marriage from occurring?

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"well that is never going to happen, so how about a realistic opinion?"

I'm not sure that the government will be in the business of marriage forever -- forever is a very long time.

5/12/2009 1:28:05 PM

nay...and ibtsoapbox

5/12/2009 1:30:57 PM

quick, somebody post some porn

5/12/2009 1:32:03 PM

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"Why should I adopt what you consider to be a pragmatic stance when I find the idea of government involvement in personal affairs to be unnecessary?"

I agree with you totally. But I am a realist, and the government will be in the business of marriage well after I am dead and gone.

5/12/2009 1:34:38 PM

yay

5/12/2009 1:42:03 PM

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"Huh? You're saying that marriages shouldn't be defined or denied by the government, but you're also saying that marriage shouldn't be between individuals of the same sex?"

The "Nay" is based on the assumption that the OP was talking about government recognition of same-sex marriages. I'm opposed to it, in that, I don't think they should be in the business at all. I could care less if gay people want to get married, I could care less that straight people want to get married. I simply don't think it is the government's business.

Right now, I'm being effectively financially punished by the Federal government for 1) being single, 2) having no children, 3) renting instead of owning. The argument of gay marriage proponents is that same sex couples should have the same rights under the law. I agree. I just disagree that they (or anyone else) should financially benefit in the form of tax breaks or preferential treatment.


If two people are concerned about visitation rights, life or death decisions in a hospital situation, inheritance of property, custody of children, etc, there is no reason that they cannot get a legal contract that would cover all of that. This would allow single adults who chose to live together in a platonic relationship to establish the same protections for one another.

5/12/2009 1:44:13 PM

YEA

Equal rights, can't let religion define laws, etc.

5/12/2009 2:02:21 PM

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"The argument of gay marriage proponents is that same sex couples should have the same rights under the law. I agree. I just disagree that they (or anyone else) should financially benefit in the form of tax breaks or preferential treatment."

Oh, I see. I agree.

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"If two people are concerned about visitation rights, life or death decisions in a hospital situation, inheritance of property, custody of children, etc, there is no reason that they cannot get a legal contract that would cover all of that. This would allow single adults who chose to live together in a platonic relationship to establish the same protections for one another."

Again, I agree -- although I wouldn't limit it to two people.

I look forward to a time when the government doesn't dictate what society should do, especially in regard to family and marriage. If people want to form tribes or communes other social structures instead of being compelled by law to form traditional "nuclear families", then they should be completely free to do so.

5/12/2009 2:11:57 PM

move to The Soap Box

this got outta hand real quick

5/12/2009 2:12:30 PM

look, kids, this ain't the lounge

where are the hot lesbian pics?

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 2:13 PM. Reason : it's an ambrosia1231 thread, for pete's sake! ]

5/12/2009 2:12:44 PM

willynilly=funpolice - "you're not doing it right"

5/12/2009 2:13:29 PM

Yea

If the gov is going to stay in the business of civil marriages (which it shows no signs of stopping), then yea for same sex marriage & "opposite marriage"

5/12/2009 2:15:26 PM

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"If the government got out of the business of marriage, what would stop same sex marriage from occurring?"

The church, where marriage started in the first place.

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 2:16 PM. Reason : -]

5/12/2009 2:16:36 PM

JCASHFAN makes a very good argument.

and I feel the same should go for health insurance. If I share a house with someone, share all the bills, share all the responsibility, then they should also be able to share my health insurance.

5/12/2009 2:18:09 PM

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"The church, where marriage started in the first place. "

LOL

5/12/2009 2:22:47 PM

yippie for same sex marraige!

5/12/2009 2:23:04 PM

^^^^
No... they can only stop marriages from occurring in their church -- Other churches could still offer same sex marriage.
Of course, you don't even really need a church to get married, just a contract and a notary, right?

^^^
And 100% private health insurance providers could and should offer that choice...
Currently however, the government and our beloved corporate oligarchs don't want us to have that option.

5/12/2009 2:24:57 PM

yay

the weddings will be fabulous

5/12/2009 2:25:29 PM

Quote :

"look, kids, this ain't the lounge where are the hot lesbian pics? it's an ambrosia1231 thread, for pete's sake! "

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 2:29 PM. Reason : link]

5/12/2009 2:29:26 PM

yea

5/12/2009 2:37:14 PM

5/12/2009 2:59:06 PM

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 3:00 PM. Reason : MOAR.]

5/12/2009 3:00:37 PM

I will post more when my boss leaves

5/12/2009 3:04:38 PM

YEA



NAY

5/12/2009 3:06:06 PM

how much google image searching did you have to do to come up with that 2nd pic?

5/12/2009 3:19:32 PM

First page w/ safe search on

5/12/2009 3:20:40 PM

Don't lie, you had that shit bookmarked, didn't you?

5/12/2009 3:22:04 PM

yay

5/12/2009 3:48:01 PM

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" The church, where marriage started in the first place. "

WRONG. marriage was initiated only by mutual agreement until the 1500s, you fucking idiot

[Edited on May 12, 2009 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2009 3:58:44 PM

Quote :

"The church, where marriage started in the first place."

LOL

5/12/2009 4:02:00 PM

yay

5/12/2009 4:19:25 PM

5/12/2009 4:26:02 PM

mar·riage
/'mær?d?/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mar-ij] Show IPA
–noun
1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

5/12/2009 4:27:10 PM

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

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"1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage 2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected ; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities 3: an intimate or close union "

5/12/2009 4:43:16 PM

psh, what does Merriam-Webster know

5/12/2009 4:45:54 PM

MAWWAGE

5/12/2009 4:53:16 PM

5/12/2009 4:54:45 PM

^^ Lolz

^Yowza!

5/12/2009 5:00:26 PM

I'm pretty sure that thing floating between them in the hot tub is a vibrator

5/12/2009 5:11:37 PM

Nay. The government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all.

5/12/2009 5:46:30 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ do you honestly think that is feasible in present day america?

5/12/2009 5:49:57 PM

Quote :

"CARET RELATED HUMOR"

5/12/2009 5:57:55 PM

go for it

5/12/2009 6:11:21 PM

wtf gay people getting married?!
next people will be wanting to marry their fuckin dog or chicken or something
this society is going to hell in a friggin handbasket

5/12/2009 6:14:54 PM