it was a battle flag, for one small group of confederate soldiers flown in very few battles. that's its origin

5/27/2009 10:17:21 PM

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"my sister has a huge ass confederate flag butterfly tattooed in the middle of her back. She does not associate it with separation of blacks from whites but again...she is an idiot."

$10 says I can hit that if I own a jet ski.

5/27/2009 10:17:43 PM

^got you beat. I'll be on a '89 ski boat jamming kid rock's newest hit song.

5/27/2009 10:18:58 PM

In all honesty, we could probably make a sammich in that situation.

5/27/2009 10:20:03 PM

no ball touching and it's cool

5/27/2009 10:20:29 PM

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"Why would they be idiots? The confederate flag was not used as a sign of pro slavery and was not originated as a symbol of white pride. The flag is associated primarily with "southern" culture. This means different things to different people and to many is as simple as the imagery of sweet tea on a porch in the summer, saying hello and being friendly with neighbors and a plethora of things that people associate with southern charm. Sure you could suggest that some racists use the stars and bars in racist ways, but people use all sorts of icons to represent ideals that are not intrinsic to the icon itself. e.g. the cross or the american flag. The stars and bars wasn't even the initial flag of the confederacy. In fact, the flag for the state of north carolina is modeled directly after the original flag of the unified south. Does flying this flag make one ignorant or a racist as well? If no then why not since it was a prominent flag of southern separation. The flag is no more than a country flag flown during a war whose causes ranged from slavery to economic freedom and there is no purpose to attribute the intent and ideology of the flag with one cause more than the other."

I see your point... but how do you explain the extremely high correlation between stupidity and waving/wearing the confederate flag? Don't bullshit me, you know that correlation is there.

5/27/2009 10:22:43 PM

I see lots of correlations among many issues, but if I were to state them you'd come up with BS arguments and excuses for them.

oh yeh, here's this for ya.




[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 10:23:41 PM

. the civil war was not a battle based solely on racism and the desire to imprison humans and use them as property only.

i would never wave the confederate flag or display one outside of my house, but that is mostly due to the types of people who wave that flag. however, i would never assume that all people who display the flag are racists because that would be guilt by association and such a rash judgement is not appropriate.

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM. Reason : d]

5/27/2009 10:24:19 PM

Someone please explain a confederate flag hanging in a person's house in PA who was born in NY? I don't get that southern pride.

5/27/2009 10:24:21 PM

I would still like someone to explain to me why I still happen to see confederate flags on cars up here in NY...

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:26 PM. Reason : ^ 20 seconds.... man, I'm 20 seconds late. this is bullsh!t ]

5/27/2009 10:24:41 PM

What about Southern heritage has not to do with racism?

5/27/2009 10:24:54 PM

whoa...EMCE and I! Great minds think alike, e-boo!

5/27/2009 10:25:54 PM

if the civil war was based on racism, then wouldn't the north and south be on the same side? i don't believe the yankees treated blacks any better than southerners after the war....

people are allowed to have the own reasons and beliefs. if they want to fly the flag, they can.... just like people get stupid tattoos and say they represent something... I don't know why they fly the flag. But I know why I like the flag... and it has nothing to do with race...

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 10:26:01 PM

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"Ok...here is the thing. Have you ever grown up with people who love the confederate flag? I have in my family. They are idiots. I will never protest their free speech/expression just as long as it does not hurt anyone but terpball does have a point."

I respect the Confederate flag and consider it to be a symbol of the South. Obviously it is a symbol of racism and hatred for many ignorant individuals of any race. The war wasn't merely about slavery, though, as pretty much every history teacher I've ever had has stressed. It was primarily about States' rights, the small and decentralized government of the Confederacy vs the large federal government of the Union. I don't really favor a large federal government and I think a number of problems in our society are a direct result of that concentration of power. So I think on one hand, it's actually unfortunate that the South lost. Blacks may have had less freedom for a while, but everyone else would have certainly enjoyed greater freedom. Slavery is not historically a sustainable institution and would not have persisted in any case, particularly with bordering free nations on all sides. Slavery was merely an economic footnote of the conflict, which may have particular interest for blacks, but I think it's pretty ignorant for either a white or black person to refuse to look beyond the racial issue.

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"I see your point... but how do you explain the extremely high correlation between stupidity and waving/wearing the confederate flag? Don't bullshit me, you know that correlation is there."

The same way you can explain the correlation between stupidity and practically anything... 50% of the population has an IQ of less than 100, give or take.

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 10:26:43 PM

That's my point, "Southern pride" is not about factual history any more.

5/27/2009 10:27:43 PM

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"i would never assume that all people who display the flag are racists"

For the record, I agree and never said this. I just said they fall in one of a few categories, and the vast majority of them are just very stupid people.

If I am behind someone at any story and that person is wearing a confederate flag, in my experience, 70-80% of the time I hear something socially inappropriate or just stupid come out of their mouths.

"booooy i'm giitin fuuucked up tonight! uh, HUH, wait... I GOTTA GO TAKE A PIYIS"

5/27/2009 10:29:22 PM

Some people like to gloss over the ugly aspects of the old south and pretend that the entire way of life wasn't based on a profitable agrarian economy fueled by the exploitation of cheap slave labor.

5/27/2009 10:29:58 PM

^^so you still make stupid and false assumptions?

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:30 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 10:30:13 PM

gad i know it is godwins law, but you could type all the same stuff about wwii

you are basically saying, IF IT WASNT FOR ALL THE HORRIBLE STUFF, the confederates wouldnt be so bad, IF IT WASNT FOR ALL THE HORRIBLE STUFF

5/27/2009 10:30:20 PM

^and the yankees treated blacks any better?

5/27/2009 10:31:17 PM

and the rest of europe treated jews any better?

and yes, the north didnt keep them as slaves

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM. Reason : nazis were basically against commies who treated jews almost as badly]

5/27/2009 10:31:59 PM

WHAT? the north had slaves, too...

Nazi's = put jews in ovens and baked them
AMERICANS = forced blacks to work



[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 10:32:22 PM

^^lol

5/27/2009 10:32:27 PM

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"^^so you still make stupid and false assumptions?"

so you still don't know how to read?

5/27/2009 10:32:49 PM

Now that you mention it, southern racism and northern racism cancel out.

Glad we could finally put this to rest at last. Thank god almight, at rest at last.

5/27/2009 10:32:57 PM

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"life wasn't based on a profitable agrarian economy fueled by the exploitation of cheap slave labor."

that sounds like a line from Good Will Hunting.

5/27/2009 10:33:45 PM

The best part of this thread (and really any thread wherein terpball discusses race relations) is terpball coming down on ignorant racists while at the same time confessing his own retarded stereotypes. Dude is amazing.

5/27/2009 10:34:05 PM

DO YOU LIKE APPLES

5/27/2009 10:34:14 PM

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"I just said they fall in one of a few categories, and the vast majority of them are just very stupid people."

yeh, one of two categories that you mentioned. I, and many of my friends, fit in neither. so yes, you make false and stupid assumptions

5/27/2009 10:34:19 PM

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"WHAT? the north had slaves, too..."

on a much much much smaller scale


i am glad that slavery has been reduced to forced work

5/27/2009 10:34:36 PM

^Mr. Joshua

there is actually a large school of thought that suggests the south set itself back by having slave labor. slaves only work enough to make it through the day and provide the means to sustain themselves for another day. actual wage workers will continue to produce as a means to earn more potential for the purchase of other goods. given the vast workforce the utilization of slavery was highly inefficient in product and as a result the profits and the economy were stifled.

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM. Reason : jg]

5/27/2009 10:34:37 PM

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"that sounds like a line from Good Will Hunting."

BUT YA HAVEN'T READ VICKAHHHS!

5/27/2009 10:34:41 PM

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"on a much much much smaller scale"

maybe by shear numbers, but there used to be a lot of ag up north. and they weren't paying anyone to work the fields, and illegal mexican immigrants weren't here yet...

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:37 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 10:37:28 PM

The major diff was the fact that they didn't need slavery because of their need to embrace the industrial revolution - their soil sucked.

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:38 PM. Reason : still does]

5/27/2009 10:38:25 PM

Interesting, you can't explain the correlation, so instead you just attack the person pointing out the correlation. Yet the correlation is still there...

5/27/2009 10:39:43 PM

the point is that you all are criticizing the south for slavery and treating blacks horribly, when both the north and south did the same thing. sure, most of the north gave up slavery first, as they began to realize that their niche was in a different type of work, while the south, dependent soley on agriculture, tried to hang onto its work force. in either case, both had slaves before the war and both treated blacks like shit before and after the war. thus you can't criminalize the south for things that the northerners did as well.

5/27/2009 10:41:14 PM

i just wanted to stop in and say hi. hope you guys are having fun arguing something no one is gonna win.

5/27/2009 10:43:11 PM

the north "freed the slaves" as a war tactic. had nothing to do with human rights or anything like that.

5/27/2009 10:44:19 PM

the correlation is that people who are likely to display the stars and bars are likely to be southerners. being southern white, rural and low socioeconomic status has a strong correlation with racism. these two groups are likely to intersect at some point.

I would draw a vin diagram if i wasn't playing that stupid flash doom game.

^exactly. its like any other tactic. "bringing democracy to iraq" for example. the trick is you demonize the enemy which removes their credibility and provokes a rapid emotional response which in turn generates unquestionable support.

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM. Reason : gg]

5/27/2009 10:44:44 PM

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"the point is that you all are criticizing the south for slavery and treating blacks horribly, when both the north and south did the same thing."

Where the fuck did i do that? Dude, learn to fucking read. My first post in this thread was about my liking the flag's use on private property and persons. It says a lot about a person if they would go out in public with a confederate flag waving on them. So I don't mind it.

I didn't say anything about slavery or treating blacks horribly, that is just what you wanted me to say.



[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM. Reason : ^your brilliant explanation paints paints beautiful venn diagrams in our heads... don't worry]

5/27/2009 10:45:20 PM

NIGGERS

5/27/2009 10:45:41 PM

maybe you learn to read? others are talking about the war & north vs south. 6^ is a response to that.

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2009 10:46:04 PM

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"there is actually a large school of thought that suggests the south set itself back by having slave labor."

I've heard that. Forced labor isn't the most efficient thing in the world. Instead of being motivated your workers may be just as inspired to work less and steal as much as they can. Regardless, the white landowners were staying fed and always had the blacks to look down on.

I've also been fascinated with the psychological underpinnings of such a society. White femininity was defended at every turn while black women were systematically raped and brutalized. The dichotomy can bring up some surprising conclusions.

5/27/2009 10:47:19 PM

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"My first post in this thread was about my liking the flag's use on private property and persons. It says a lot about a person if they would go out in public with a confederate flag waving on them. "

A NASCAR race is on private property. Just because the public is allowed on it, doesn't mean it's not private property.


[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:49 PM. Reason : V sike]

5/27/2009 10:47:31 PM

^traitor

[Edited on May 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM. Reason : I'm talking about Mexican night]

5/27/2009 10:48:17 PM

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"thus you can't criminalize the south for things that the northerners did as well."

Exactly. You people have no idea how double jeopardy works.

5/27/2009 10:48:48 PM

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"A NASCAR race is on private property. Just because the public is allowed on it, doesn't mean it's not private property."

I don't think anyone in this thread was ever confused about this point, but thanks for your input.

5/27/2009 10:49:59 PM

Apparently the NAACP is.

5/27/2009 10:52:14 PM

lulz

5/27/2009 10:55:49 PM

set em up

5/27/2009 10:59:31 PM