it is literally unthinkable that jobs should have been created or enabled by the bubbles and subsequently destroyed in their collapse

[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 11:15 AM. Reason : Peace, we outta here.]

8/27/2009 11:15:45 AM

its actually 16% when you factor in all the people who have left the labor market.

its not hard to see the problem... just look at the states run by liberals.

compare their unemployment/ budget deficits to republican run states.

the government doesnt need to spend money, it needs to slash taxes.

you know, kind of like what bush did in 2001 to pull us out of a recession.

[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

8/27/2009 11:16:41 AM

CALIFORNIA RETARD


LOOK INTO IT

8/27/2009 11:19:28 AM

kind of like what bush did in 2001 to pull us out of a recession balloon the deficit.

8/27/2009 11:19:42 AM

actually the decrease in taxes led to an increase in tax revenue.

california has a semi-republican governor, surrounded by liberals

8/27/2009 11:20:56 AM

does not compute

8/27/2009 11:21:29 AM

it's always a great idea to re-inflate an economic bubble that burst with money that doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure that's economics 101.

8/27/2009 11:22:06 AM

Oh, I didnt realize we were playing "make things up"

Jackass


Arnold is TEXTBOOK republican.

8/27/2009 11:23:08 AM

For such a poor troll, he's ruffling a lot of troll feathers.

8/27/2009 11:26:31 AM

right, and just like clinton had to become more centrist in 94' because he was surrounded by republicans, arnold has had to move left.

you gonna name one state?

i'll name 3

michigan, ohio, massachusetts

8/27/2009 11:28:23 AM

thank you Lumex

8/27/2009 11:29:23 AM

Quote :

"the government doesnt need to spend money, it needs to slash taxes. you know, kind of like what bush did in 2001 to pull us out of a recession. "

Haha

are you serious?

You realize that the economy tanked under Bush...? Even with his lower taxes?

8/27/2009 11:29:52 AM

Quote :

"One's all you need"

8/27/2009 11:30:22 AM

the government should keep on throwing good money after bad money. It's the key to prosperity.

8/27/2009 11:30:35 AM

Quote :

"actually the decrease in taxes led to an increase in tax revenue. "

care to rethink that assumption?

8/27/2009 11:30:56 AM

are you stupid or something? Do you not know how to read a fucking graph?

8/27/2009 11:32:29 AM

Yeah, the correlation there is definitely liberalism

8/27/2009 11:35:31 AM

yes. i see a tax increase coupled with an increase in revenue. i then see a 2001 tax decrease that is coupled by a decrease in revenue.

^for comparison



[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 11:37 AM. Reason : electoral map]

8/27/2009 11:35:58 AM

do you not see the line going up after the 2nd tax DECREASE? Maybe you should photoshop that out next time before posting that graph. What a fucking retard!!! LOL!!

8/27/2009 11:37:49 AM

Quote :

"the government should keep on throwing good money after bad money. It's the key to prosperity."

What does this have to do with "liberals"?

Before "evil" Obama, the conservatives supported a stimulus too.

8/27/2009 11:38:18 AM

Quote :

"can someone remind me which president ran up the deficit more than every president before him combined"

so far obama. he's racing to catch up and exceed.

White House Adds $2 Trillion to Deficit Forecasts - washingtonpost.com

The nation would be forced to borrow more than $9 trillion over the next decade under President Obama's policies, the White House acknowledged late Friday, bringing their long-term budget forecast in line with independent estimates.

So they blow smoke until it passes and then agree with independent estimates. Interesting.

examples of failure?

cash for clunkers (i.e. auto industry bailout): any car that gets 4mpg less than your current vehicle is a clunker. 'recycling' is not rendering a perfectly serviceable vehicle into junk and scrapping it. if you want to give the auto industry a bailout, have the balls to call it that. don't prop up a shitty system by throwing more money at it. the 700k new cars will pale in comparison to the slump in sales that is coming and the layoffs that will result.

healthcare reform: he never read it. he doesn't know what's in it. all he can do is read off a teleprompter. give him a random question and he will fumble it, as he as done in the past. check youtube.

north korea: paid hundreds of millions to get them back. obama funded terrorists. he supports human rights abuses. should have left those morons over there. they intentionally crossed over, they got caught. it shows the world that the U.S. doesn't believe in personal accountability. i love how the news reported that one of the reporters was a mother. well i've got news for ya, don't be a dumbass and then you'll get to go home and see your kid.

shovel ready stimulus projects: don't say something and not go through with it. there are many 'shovel ready' projects out there, but no money to fund them with.

CIA: you really fucked that up.

so far his campaign promises have added up to nothing and he/his administration have hurt more than they have helped.

[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 11:40 AM. Reason : []

8/27/2009 11:39:09 AM

have you actually read the posts?

Quote :

"the government doesnt need to spend money, it needs to slash taxes. you know, kind of like what bush did in 2001 to pull us out of a recession."

now look at the graph in regards to 2001. also look at the graph and view what happened following the 90's increase in taxes.

these graphs don't even take into account expenditures, which were remarkably lower per capita during the clinton administration making for a much stronger situation in general.

[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 11:40 AM. Reason : troll]

8/27/2009 11:40:12 AM

Quote :

"Before "evil" Obama, the conservatives supported a stimulus too."

BULL SHIT! You are fucking retarded if you think McCain was a true conservative. Don't play that stupid ass game with me.

8/27/2009 11:40:19 AM

my goodness Seotaji

what a disingenuous statement

8/27/2009 11:41:40 AM

^^ lol

so now EVERYONE in our gov. is a liberal?

Who is a "true" conservative in your opinion?

[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

8/27/2009 11:41:53 AM

I'm a true conservative, you liberal pussy bitch.

8/27/2009 11:43:25 AM

Quote :

"arent you unemployed? hasnt real unemployment jumped to 16%? yeah, workin like a charm says all my friends moving in with their parents with degrees and shit"

What does my unemployment status have to do with anything? I worked for global semiconductor company having to compete on labor costs against the SE Asians. You know why that is? Republican free market ideals moved production to cheaper areas. You know what happens in situations like that? It takes time to reallocate labor and production. Oh fuck, what am I thinking, this isn't anything you can comprehend.

Quote :

"its actually 16% when you factor in all the people who have left the labor market. "

Holy fuck, you don't know what you're talking about. U6 is

Quote :

"# U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them. # U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently. # U6: U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons."

If you're going to use the number, get a damn clue first.

Quote :

"the government doesnt need to spend money, it needs to slash taxes. you know, kind of like what bush did in 2001 to pull us out of a recession"

No, slashing taxes let the rich keep more of their money while evaporating the surplus Clinton helped to establish. That tax cut was supposed to trickle down to the middle class. The only thing that happened was the middle class shrunk and wages were stagnant. No, the reason we came out of recession was because of the Fed funds rate was kept too low for too long by Alan Greenspan, a libertarian free market republican who has since admitted he had no idea markets wouldn't self police.

8/27/2009 11:46:20 AM

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

DAMN LIBERALS

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

DAMN CONSERVATIVES

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

DAMN THIRD PARTY PEOPLE

Let's all just agree on one thing, no matter the side, party, religious affliation or race... whoever we elect as president is going to fuck us in the ass. Government is such a huge boat that changing the captain isn't going to change the course, it take decades to change the course of government.

If you really think our situation would be more than 1-5% different with Mccain, Clinton, Biden, Obama, Rush Limbaugh, Miss. Hilton, Brittany spears or goddamn Barney the dinosaur you are sadly mistaken.

8/27/2009 11:47:23 AM

Trip wins.,

8/27/2009 11:51:08 AM

are we supposed to relate to the conservatives that fit the liberal mold?

theres a reason republicans didnt support mccain, and its shit like this:

Quote :

"McCain: Maverick no more? Ex-presidential candidate is siding more closely with GOP these days"

thats a headline from your holy msnbc.

why the hell is our candidate just now siding with us these days?

8/27/2009 11:52:36 AM

Sorry, but I really believe the situation would be 1-5% different if Britney Spears was president. It's a pretty important position.

8/27/2009 11:53:08 AM

RICH OLD MAN WITH CHILDREN ALIGNS SELF WITH PARTY MOST STRONGLY OPPOSED TO ESTATE TAXES

[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 11:54 AM. Reason : well]

8/27/2009 11:53:52 AM

I'm shocked Grace has no reply to my last comment that emaciated his fact free opinion.

8/27/2009 12:09:02 PM

shut up you faggot liberal

8/27/2009 12:11:19 PM

Who are you?

8/27/2009 12:11:49 PM

okay i will.

you say the stimulus is working, while your bald ass sits at home for the x straight month...


loser

8/27/2009 12:12:22 PM

I'm a true conservative. Why don't you go and put up some solar panels with your unemployment check.

8/27/2009 12:12:28 PM

Bush was a liberal.

OR DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND

8/27/2009 12:13:42 PM

Quote :

"you say the stimulus is working, while your bald ass sits at home for the x straight month..."

OH

THATS RIGHT GRACE

THE DETERMINING FACTOR ON WHETHER THE STIMULUS WORKED OR NOT

IS IF EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO HAVE A JOB

CAN GET ONE

OH SHIT

YOU GOT ME

YOU'RE THE BIG WINNER YOU MEXICAN MANAGER YOU!

8/27/2009 12:16:01 PM

Quote :

"I'm a true conservative. Why don't you go and put up some solar panels with your unemployment check."

I have enough stashed away that I could do that if I wanted to.

What is it you do for income?

8/27/2009 12:17:22 PM

it's really no surprise that someone unemployed is a cock sucking liberal.

8/27/2009 12:22:54 PM

you're a pretty bad representative sample of a conservative, based on this thread, what with all the cussing and fucking bitching

and yet, you're pretty stereotypical in that all you are capable of doing is starting an argument

and, go figure, that argument is about how much (you think) liberals suck!

god forbid you try to actually do something constructive

8/27/2009 12:26:02 PM

Yeah, I'm so fucking liberal that I'm a libertarian



Shithead.

Go play golf on I-40.

[Edited on August 27, 2009 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2009 12:26:03 PM

i mean job creation was the intent of the free money giveaway right?

or was that just to create hyperinflation during the second dip in the recession?

where are the jobs?

course you must ask that every day

8/27/2009 12:29:22 PM

yes

there is going to be a job for every single person

8/27/2009 12:30:22 PM

8/27/2009 12:32:31 PM

Quote :

"i mean job creation was the intent of the free money giveaway right? or was that just to create hyperinflation during the second dip in the recession? where are the jobs? course you must ask that every day"

I worked in finance for an international executive consulting firm until 1.5 weeks ago. I can tell you as that more people are finding jobs on the west coast now at least (especially executive level and higher) than 3 or 4 months previous.

8/27/2009 12:32:37 PM

Quote :

"i mean job creation was the intent of the free money giveaway right?"

Well, the simple fact is we really can't measure it either way. For all we know, it did in fact avoid another 1-2 million layoffs which was a stated goal of the stimulus.

Quote :

" or was that just to create hyperinflation during the second dip in the recession? "

Do you always eat up what you hear on the conservative radio shows and TV? You simply have no idea about hyperinflation do you?

Quote :

" where are the jobs? course you must ask that every day"

No, not really:

Quote :

"Chance, Hope you are doing well. I got word today that your paperwork had finished processing and you will be receiving a formal offer from our HR department in the near future (if they haven't contacted you already). Please let me know when you receive the offer. If you have any questions at that time, please don't hesitate to contact me."

Just waiting on them to get all the necessary signatures for the new position.

8/27/2009 12:33:49 PM

damn glad you heard back from McDonalds

8/27/2009 12:37:07 PM

set em up

8/27/2009 12:37:20 PM