i would agree with that thats probably what they did


but honestly after two lackluster fights all i can really conclude safely is that they jumped the order because this fight will be hell on wheels, at least it better be

because these lackluster fights + mediocre talent at best + the fact that we know page and shad will not be fighting kinda kills the excitement of this season

we arent getting any challengers to Brock Lesnar out of this season, i doubt cheick kongo would have trouble with these guys

9/24/2009 5:21:37 PM

I like Brock Lesnar as a fighter. I'm sure someone will tell me why this is wrong.

9/24/2009 5:28:44 PM

its not wrong, hes underappreciated and i feel like he is going to prove the best heavyweight behind fedor

i cant see fedor steam rolling him, i dont see anyone beating brock aside from Fedor and i would like for brock to lose the belt actually and fight some of the heavyweights overseas including fedor hed get a tremendous worldwide fanbase

9/24/2009 5:35:26 PM

Quote :

"the point was not that the fight was rigged, but that the show wouldn't necessarily have been built up so much around one guy that gets beat so early."

9/24/2009 5:43:04 PM

anyone have video from it

9/24/2009 5:53:43 PM

9/24/2009 5:54:30 PM

those who think Roy Nelsen is a push over, white trash or what ever has another thing coming. he was pretty damn good in the IFL ... he claimed their belt and there was some legit talent in that league.

im super excited to see this fight and hope Kimbo wins b/c him continuing will be good for the show.
Roy isnt about to let that happen but i think his over confidence will be he downfall.

like someone pointed out earlier he is just too cocky for his own good.

9/24/2009 6:35:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dj5xMeXybs

Frank Mir v Roy Nelson grappling...you might be surprised by this one

9/24/2009 8:01:06 PM

Quote :

"the point was not that the fight was rigged, but that the show wouldn't necessarily have been built up so much around one guy that gets beat so early."

you can quote it ten million times and youre still not seeing things from the correct perspective


1. if kimbo loses, so what? no one goes home no one leaves the house you will still see kimbo active throughout the remainder of the show and in the finale.

2. The fans arent watching to see winners, they want to see good fights and compelling personalities. Kimbo is expected to provide both. If you aint gonna see him fight again, youre gonna see him interacting with 15 other fighters in the house and the UFC will continue to give him plenty of light cuz theres no way Kimbo doesn't show up in the UFC after the show is finished

Hell kimbo can lose and step in again for a fighter that gets injured, i promise you hes number one on the list

Also, Seth Petruzelli (the guy that defeated kimbo in EliteXC) has been signed to the UFC recently..hmmmm i wonder where they are goin with that...

the UFC doesnt have to rig fights for anybody, they can make a star out of any one who has stepped in the UFC cage at the drop of a freakin hat. they dont have to bend over backward for kimbo, brock, chuck, GSP, tito, fedor, ANYONE the UFC is the star they could build Kimbo up if he was shot dead in front of the gay bar wearing a miniskirt

^^i dont think roy nelson is being cocky he just got called out for goofin around and disturbing practice, nothin more nothin less happens all the time



[Edited on September 24, 2009 at 10:52 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2009 10:48:16 PM

Quote :

"the UFC is the star they could build Kimbo up if he was shot dead in front of the gay bar wearing a miniskirt"

Yeah!



And look what EliteXC allegedly did:

Petruzelli: EliteXC told me not to take down Kimbo

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/fight_club/posts/11924

9/25/2009 7:38:59 AM

They have kimbo is way to many mini interviews during commercials. I bet he gets beat. Just seems like they are showing to much of him.

Kind of like over advertising a bad movie.

9/25/2009 5:46:20 PM

By the by, Petruzelli is about 500% more likely to be caught in front of a gay bar wearing a miniskirt. But I'm glad he's got a UFC contract now.

9/25/2009 6:41:07 PM

^ That was my point--with the hair and all. But, hey, he beat Kimbo.

9/25/2009 8:04:30 PM

yea seth earned it hes won like 4 straight fights since kimbo

i think hell be at 205, unfortunate for him there arent many hes gonna beat in that division, but there are plenty of good fights

9/25/2009 8:19:59 PM

RIP Cro-cop. I was a huge fan.

9/25/2009 10:23:00 PM

Finally got around to watching last week's episode. I'm surprised it didn't go three rounds, but it is probably for the best. Shivers could barely stand by the end of the second. They said Rampage had been seriously over training his fighters and that may have been partially to blame for how bad he was gassed.

The UFC judgess can be so fickle. Shivers clearly had ground control for a majority of the first round. Granted, he didn't really do shit with it, but that hasn't stopped UFC judges from awarding points for laying on top before.

McSweeney was tearing Shivers' leg up. Read a fighter blog afterward and apparently the guy couldn't walk for four days after the fight. Shivers has the kind of size that could make him a problem in the heavyweight division with some decent training.

9/28/2009 11:04:36 AM

Quote :

"1. if kimbo loses, so what? no one goes home no one leaves the house you will still see kimbo active throughout the remainder of the show and in the finale"

I was told by someone else that they did send fighters home. Hence my post.

Regardless, my posts are about business of the show. Kimbo leaves, casual fans leave. I could care less what i have coming for me...and the post was moderately sarcastic. They emphasized his IFL belt a lot in the show.

I certainly havent seen any good fights the apparenty fight purist fans are watching for. Just a bunch of gassed monsters who cant last more than 2 minutes in the ring

9/28/2009 2:07:43 PM

Is this on tomorrow night?

9/28/2009 3:14:53 PM

I always thought the show had a more team challenge type component to it that went on outside the ring?

Thought there was more to the show then a training montage and a fight each episode. It has been a while since I watched it though. Maybe I'm thinking of the contender...

9/28/2009 3:16:39 PM

I think Rashad made a great pick for the next fight.
If Kimbo loses Rashad just took out Rampage's biggest pick. There is no more definitive blow he can make after the two wins he has already picked up.
If Big Country loses Rashad still wins. Big Country isn't training like he is hungry; Rashad & Crew don't want to train him. They'll be glad he is gone, or at least they'll pretend to be.

At this point Big Country's whole future depends on his next fight. The same could be said for Kimbo, but I think he'll have more opportunities than Big Country could dream of regardless of who wins/loses just because of the name he has made for himself. Wednesday is going to be awesome.

9/28/2009 3:20:40 PM

Quote :

"I certainly havent seen any good fights the apparenty fight purist fans are watching for. Just a bunch of gassed monsters who cant last more than 2 minutes in the ring"

lol like i said im probably the only person that can find any good thigns in that fight...fight purists hate the fights so far and so far you are essentially correct, gassed monsters for sure. the firrst fight was just a plain bad mismatch with one fighter that new what he was doin and a fighter that you wouldnt reckon has ever been in a sanctioned fight


^roy nelson had blogged that when the team sat down and discussed pick pretty much everyone wanted to fight kimbo, except roy. Roy knows the game and knows that you dont fight for pride on the show you want the easiest fights and he knew Kimbo was a very difficult fight, so when everyone else was tellin rashad they wanted Kimbo,Roy ws like "yall take him"

but somehow Rashad and his coaches decided that roy should fight kimbo, I feel like either Rashad wants to get rid of Kimbo early before he gets a chance to improve (thus using his REAL best fighter) or that his decision was "encouraged" because it doesnt seem like this fight is out of order

[Edited on September 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM. Reason : k]

9/28/2009 4:00:36 PM

See, I think Kimbo is one of the more experience fighters on the show. Fighting in EliteXC + training with Bas Rutten gives him an edge over most of the fighters on the show IMO. I do not think he will win the show, but I suspect that he is one of the better fighters out of the guys who are on there this season. I bet his first fight to stay in the running is going to be a good one.

[Edited on September 28, 2009 at 4:19 PM. Reason : l]

9/28/2009 4:19:18 PM

Quote :

"Thought there was more to the show then a training montage and a fight each episode. It has been a while since I watched it though. Maybe I'm thinking of the contender..."

The first 2 seasons were like that. They had side challenges to determine who picked the fights. Since then, it has had very little to do with the teams other than the team that wins retains control of picking the next fight.

9/28/2009 4:26:50 PM

That fight was weaksauce.

Troo, Kimbo wasn't defending himself; but Roy Nelson wasn't doing any damage either. I almost think the ref should've just stood them back up.

Definitely proved Kimbo isn't ready for the UFC. At his age I don't think he ever will be a real contender.

Rampage had me lol'ing the whole show. "How do you get the moon off of you?"

10/1/2009 11:05:03 AM

I was looking for this thread last night. I even made one in sports talk............fuck you search


This fight was the worst fight I've ever seen.

10/1/2009 11:15:48 AM

It wasn't that bad. I've seen worse. Of course, these guys are supposed to be the "experienced" ones, so I guess you have some room for complaint.

Kimbo held his own. I think he could do well if they actually had some good trainers. Especially someone who could actually teach wrestling. Rampage is a horrible coach. He's funny, and makes good TV, but horrible at coaching. Rampage sucked it up last time he was coaching. Forrest's team owned Rampage's team.

10/1/2009 12:03:43 PM

^^^
o...trust me hes ready for the UFC

there are people with much worse ground games in the UFC that have been fighting 3 times as long as Kimbo

10/1/2009 12:44:31 PM

I blame the ref for that fight being weak. Kimbo was in no real danger at that point, so the ref should not have stopped it. He should have just stood them up since no one was really doing anything. I am a bit disappointed in Kimbos performance, I mean he might not be great on the ground, but i thought he knew enough about trying to position up and escape. Im not a fan of Roy, I really wanted to see Kimbo win. Hearing him talk and watching him interact, he is quite different than I figured he'd be. I find myself pulling for him.

[Edited on October 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM. Reason : .]

10/1/2009 3:53:39 PM

^Kimbo was incapable of defending himself and took 20+ blows to the head, the ref. should've stopped the fight much sooner IMO. I agree that the fight sucked, but it was Kimbo's fault for getting put in such a shitty position.

10/1/2009 4:20:37 PM

He wasnt using he legs at all. He should have been able to spin out of that. Would probably have given his back, but it was something better than just getting hit on his head.

10/1/2009 6:21:38 PM

you cant just spin out of the crucifix

10/1/2009 6:39:33 PM

I could hear the voice of my old wrestling coach yelling "BRIDGE, BRIDGE" and looking like this the whole time while Kimbo was in that crucifix.

No idea if that would have helped since you never see it in UFC (for obvious reasons), but Roy was pretty high up on him and he was pretty much stuck otherwise.

I noticed Roy had Kimbo's arm squished between one leg and the mat. Is this normal? I was thinking they normally wrap their legs around the arm in a figure four or scissor position, but I don't feel like trying to find examples of it. Seems like wrapping the arm would have let Roy move his own weight more towards Kimbo's stomach so that he could land blows to the face rather than the top of the head.

It also looked like he could have switched between body shots to the rib cage and head shots. Again, I'm speaking in theory; not from practice. Obviously you'd have to change which hand you're controlling your opponent's arm with, but it seems like it would work.

[Edited on October 1, 2009 at 7:24 PM. Reason : l]

10/1/2009 7:15:47 PM

personally i feel its better to pin the arm to the mat than to use the figure four because you are left with more points on the ground and thus harder to sweep and less room to wiggle the arm free

youve got that whole other leg to base out with and widen your base instead of having it tied up in holding the opponents arm in place

this only works if you are keepiong good weight on that arm though, in that case if you have more weight on kimbos chest instead of the arm kimbo could free his arm by bridging back and forth and ud have to adjust your legs to keep from rolling with him and allowing him to escape the position
so roy kep his hips down (not on his knees with his butt in the air) his weight heavy on kimbo's chest and the leg pinning the arm to the mat, and his free leg angled out wide to help put weight on the arm and the chest awhile also providing automatic protection against any roll


for instance when kimbo caught kicked off the cage, that was a damn good attempt but roy had his weight on his chest and his legs triangled out wide and he wasnt gonna get rolled even though kimbo was half folded over him there was nowhere else for kimbo to go if roys legs were close together that would have been a successful escape

you see the crugcifix in the UFC matt hughes finished BJ penn with it for example and bj laid under hughes for a good minute being pnched in the head before the ref stopped it (and bj is VERY experienced, once youre in the hold youre fucked plus bj gassed/got injured), its not common because its easy to not get caught in it in the first place you have to be really inexperienced, very very fatigued or caught in a scramble in it

most of the time people will go for an armlock submission fro that position

also yea you could switch to body shots..but why? the easisest and most effective course is to punch that head the opponent cant stop it anyway no need to take risks

[Edited on October 1, 2009 at 10:23 PM. Reason : f]

10/1/2009 10:14:17 PM

So BigHit, do you think the ref stopped the fight too soon, or was it a good call for the TKO. Or, do you think he should have stood them up.

[Edited on October 2, 2009 at 1:07 AM. Reason : .]

10/2/2009 1:07:29 AM

Well he definitely should NOT have stood them up. As long as a fighter is active, you don't take away superior position.

I think the ref stopped it perfectly. Although it doesn't appear on the show that he was doing that much damage, they said Kimbo had a large lump on his head for days after. Not much he could have done from that position, but if he would have been bucking or doing something, I would bet Herb wouldn't have stopped it. As it was, Kimbo was basically laying still waiting for the round to end and it's definitely not healthy to take repeated hits to the head for 3 minutes, even if they aren't full power.

10/2/2009 8:57:32 AM

^i agree.

and nelson's teammates counting out the unanswered shots probably helped a little bit too...to remind herb dean (as if he couldn't see) that roy was repeatedly landing blows

10/2/2009 10:33:19 AM

nah it shoulda been stopped in the first, that was unnecessary damage and kimbo was in no position to defend himself

granted they werent deadly shots, but again kimbo was in no position to defend himself, in my opinion (as well as in the unified rules) the fights over...its the same as laying there turtling up facing away from your opponent taking punches...youre waiting for the ref to stop it because you have nothing else to offer in defense/too rocked to mount any defense or gain control. Kimbo laid there and wasnt moving...even though that could be due to inexperience and not being in any danger, obviously it doesnt matter because its not defending either way

and in no way the fight hould be stood up, im not a big fan of standups period. stand ups should only be used when the top man is in the full guard of the bottom man and hasnt advanced to a better position...and very few other situations

otherwise...get your ass up yourself or dont be caught there

[Edited on October 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM. Reason : g]

[Edited on October 2, 2009 at 11:34 AM. Reason : d]

10/2/2009 11:29:54 AM

Agreed. It was terrible to see Kimbo lose to "Big Country" the way he did. It should have been stopped in the first but I think the ref wanted to give Kimbo one more chance since it was so late in the round and he really wasn't taking much damage. There was no way Kimbo was going to be able to move that big belly from the top of his face, I'm surprised that he didn't get choked out by stomach.

10/2/2009 11:33:48 AM

Yeah, you guys are right. I guess I was just disappointed in the fight and looking for ways to make it more interesting. Fair is fair though...Kimbo wasn't defending himself.

10/2/2009 12:16:14 PM

Yeah i guess thats true

10/2/2009 1:04:14 PM

and how full of himself is big country

not only is he going to lose this, he's going to lose it early. you simply do not go into that joint acting like you know everything there is to know about fighting and ignoring your coaches, then go in and lay on one of the most dangerous strikers on earth and hope he doesn't get up and act like you just chopped down a mountain with the edge of you hand. fucking bitch. he's not even COUNTRY for crying out loud. he's just a big fat fuck.

and omg was kimbo off his game or what. till he feels comfortable with a gracie on the ground, i think this training might be detrimental to him and take him out of his game of "destroy the face of the other guy"

that said. im still proud of the big lug. he's trying, and holy shit he's learning

10/2/2009 1:39:34 PM

I am willing to bet Kimbo gets a contract even if he loses

10/2/2009 1:44:15 PM

Basically any TUF fighters that show even minimal star or fighter potential get at least short contracts with the UFC. It has already leaked that Kimbo is fighting in the finale. Now whether he somehow found a way to fight again and win and possibly be in the main event remains to be seen.

I guarantee that the UFC will ride the Kimbo gravy train as long as they can. It's hard not to root for the guy. I only wish he had started getting trained at a younger age. Realistically, there are only a few years left for him.

Roy grates on my nerves. I can't even point to one single thing that he has done or said that I don't agree with, just his general attitude is pretty lousy and it annoys me. And the fact that he came into TUF out of shape the way he is. Then again, maybe he felt like he couldn't compete with some of the heavier guys if he didn't have the extra weight to throw around.

10/2/2009 2:45:36 PM

o and if Rashad and Roy fought at a 265lb catchweight

rashad would whip his ass!!!!!!!!!!

10/2/2009 3:10:25 PM

You know what else sucks about this season? Where is the immature alcoholic who starts all the shit at the house? You always need at least one person like that on the show. So glad there's finally going to be some drama in the house next week, lol.

10/2/2009 3:15:58 PM

I've never been a huge Kimbo fan but after seeing him on this show I am starting to build a ton of respect for the guy. I hope he develops a decent ground game and is able to get what he deserves.

Big Country was so full of himself and all he did was lay a big belly on a dudes head and move as little as possible. I was really hoping Dana would tell him to shut the fuck up.

10/2/2009 6:13:15 PM

Quote :

"I've never been a huge Kimbo fan but after seeing him on this show I am starting to build a ton of respect for the guy. "

same here

10/5/2009 1:15:20 PM

good episode last night

Rampage just sucks as a coach

maybe he was a little pissed off after the fight and wasn't thinkin straight (he aint the brightest dude) but not bein there to get demico warmed up properly cuz he had to get somethin to eat...and then come back and blame another fighter for not havin him ready...now thats fucked up. Like demico said, how the hell would he hit the pads without hand wraps?? im sure most fighters cant reliably wrap hands aside from their own.


lol and then at the end of the show he was like "o duh maybe we should have left one of the coaches to help demico warm up" NO SHIT PAGE

i agree with him about what he said about keeping it simple because these fighters are green, you cant bark out a bunch of super advanced things in the heat of battle if they hadnt been worked on, especially since you dont really know youre opponent. gotta stick to basics if possible..

although what it looked like to me was that demico fucked up and lost his position because he was a poor scrambler, it didnt look to me like he lost dominant position tryna switch....nah he lost that position straight up because brendan initiated it and swept him

10/8/2009 12:15:15 PM

^ yeah, I saw the same thing. It looked like brendan went for the sweep, demico saw an opportunity to go for mount, missed it and ended up getting swept

Rampage makes me laugh and rage at the same time. The guy is a funny fucker, but he shows huge disrespect to his fighters and the sport being such a piss poor coach. To be honest, it wouldnt' be so bad if the other coaches on his team were squared away, but they look to be a bunch of clowns too.

10/9/2009 10:39:32 AM

Quote :

"They have kimbo is way to many mini interviews during commercials. I bet he gets beat. Just seems like they are showing to much of him. Kind of like over advertising a bad movie."

I win!

10/9/2009 8:05:08 PM