when, exactly is the south planning on rising again?

i'd be much more impressed if these idiots would shout, "the south shall rise in 2015."

but alas, i don't think they've thought through what it would mean for the south to actually rise again.



and this is just good for the university all around. if i was a top recruit, i wouldn't want to go to a school that chanted this during its games. this would be especially true if i were black. this chant is a black eye on the university, and how anyone can apologize for it is beyond me.

11/15/2009 7:21:49 PM

i wonder if Glenn Beck is related to Jefferson Davis.

11/15/2009 7:23:25 PM

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"Why not just show your "southern pride" by being polite to folks while making biscuits and sweet tea instead of shouting a chant of secession?"

And what's wrong with advocating secession? If you hate ignorant racist rednecks as much as you claim to, then you should be happy to rid of them.

11/15/2009 7:46:37 PM

nothing is wrong with advocating secession, in and of itself.

as with most things, it depends on the reasons for said secession.

11/15/2009 7:59:48 PM

11/15/2009 8:23:56 PM

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"And what's wrong with advocating secession? If you hate ignorant racist rednecks as much as you claim to, then you should be happy to rid of them."

Awesome! Are you planning to join them when they secede? Please tell me you are.

11/15/2009 8:30:22 PM

ummm.....the average American is ignorant on history....not just southerners.

Its not just southerners that rally around or against the battle flag that Solinari is talking about. Most yankees couldnt tell you what the Union flag or confederate flag looked like outside of our current US flag.....so your bending the truth by labeling only southerners as "idiots".

Also, Americans in general clueless about the history of slavery. Practically every race of people have had members enslaved at some point.....

Is singing the national anthem of the USA a sign of support for the trail of tears for American Inidians? Of course not...Is singing God Save the Queen a sign of support for the horrible behavior of some of the past leaders of England? Of course not. Is singing Dixie a sign of sign of support for the horrible behavior of the south? Of course not....

11/15/2009 10:39:31 PM

^ Your logic fails when you have to admit that one of those isn't an actual national anthem. GUESS WHICH ONE?

11/15/2009 10:49:27 PM

People need to get a clue. Your stupid confederate flag is not a symbol of pride in your heritage, it's a symbol that is irrevocably connected with slavery, and nothing you say will ever change that.

11/15/2009 11:15:56 PM

its not irrevocably connected with slavery - its irrevocably connected with the white supremacist groups that raised it out of relative obscurity to be their rallying banner.

jesus you're just as ignorant as the dumbasses that wave it.

11/15/2009 11:19:38 PM

^Fine, I should have explicitly extended racism to the association as well, whatever. People see the confederate flag and they think of the south, slaves, and the white supremacists that miss the days where you could own black people. Either way no one sees it as an innocent symbol of heritage, and people need to quit trying to make it one.

11/15/2009 11:32:35 PM

I'm amazed at all the people who refer to slavery as a southern thing. New York City and Baltimore had more to do with the importing and trading of slaves than any city in the South ever did.

11/15/2009 11:37:49 PM

^it royally pisses me off.

11/15/2009 11:51:04 PM

if that's even true, it's totally relevant to the discussion at hand!

11/15/2009 11:51:26 PM

yea... and that emancipation proclamation too

11/15/2009 11:53:26 PM

It is offensive. Who cares? When did it become your right to not be offended? If shit is offensive, then ignore it or leave. I often find the things people do and say offensive, but it's not my right to force them to stop or change what they're doing and saying. Exactly what year did we surrender our 1st Amendment rights in the name of some nancy's feelings?

11/16/2009 9:01:37 AM

Hmmm yes fuck black people if they are offended at straight-forward racial intimidation

11/16/2009 9:08:48 AM

extreme hypocrisy ITT with, not surprisingly, moron leading the way

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM. Reason : *]

11/16/2009 9:21:49 AM

I think "regional pride," as it was referred to earlier in the thread, is a pretty stupid thing. Even national pride doesn't make much sense. Racial pride (or being proud of your "heritage," which seems almost the same to me) is even worse. It's that whole concept that you should be proud of things that you had no hand in determining for yourself. You didn't choose to be born here or in a certain part of the country, it just happened. I'm not really "proud" of living in a region of the country where there is an unusually high population of ignorant bigots. I'm also not ashamed.

As far as the chant, I can see how some would find it offensive. "The South Will Rise Again"...and what? Bring back slavery? What is that lyric suggesting?

11/16/2009 9:33:17 AM

maybe its suggesting the same as lyrics in some of todays music that fall along the lines of 'kill whitey' or 'dont trust the white man' etc?

same coin, other side.

11/16/2009 9:57:58 AM

I use this one when I want to show southern pride:



It's never offended anyone and only those that would get it, get it and get it for the right reason.

11/16/2009 10:04:51 AM

I'm a little confused why this is an even an issue? It's not like the government is stepping in and making Ole Miss stop chanting this.

- Student leaders
- Administrators
- Faculty
- Athletics administrators
- Coaches
- Alumni
- Major Donors

All think this is foolish and should be stopped. What's the problem? Shouldn't they be the ones who have input and decide on this? Or should it just be aaronburro?

Or since the first few posts has this denigrated in to the usual "my freedoms are being taken away by someone!" and "if you think this is freedom you're a racist!"

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 10:08 AM. Reason : s]

11/16/2009 10:07:35 AM

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"maybe its suggesting the same as lyrics in some of todays music that fall along the lines of 'kill whitey' or 'dont trust the white man' etc? same coin, other side."

I listen to a lot of rap/hip hop music, and only in very obscure underground rap would you ever hear anything like "kill whitey." And even then, I just don't hear it.

It's not the other side of the same coin, though. We have free speech, which includes hate speech for the most part. That doesn't mean that it's appropriate to use a fight song with lyrics that suggest we should go back to the "golden days" when slavery was legal. Isn't there a difference between someone recording some offensive song lyrics, and a stadium full of people singing the song lyrics week after week? I'm not suggesting we should make it illegal for people to sing the song, but the people running the school should know better.

And, I'll ask again: What exactly is "the south will rise again" suggesting? Anyone even want to mess with that?

11/16/2009 10:21:02 AM

"The government" never steps in on these issues. The overall issue is that public universities in this country have become bastions for political correctness. If anywhere else, college should be the place that you encounter new and even offensive ideas.

That's the cool thing about America. You (should) have the right to say and do whatever you want as long as it doesn't impinge upon the rights of others. It should not be your right to not be offended, because that is going to seriously fuck up the first right for everyone else.

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"Isn't there a difference between someone recording some offensive song lyrics, and a stadium full of people singing the song lyrics week after week? I'm not suggesting we should make it illegal for people to sing the song, but the people running the school should know better."

Are you suggesting that more people are offended by a fight song sung weekly at a football game than the multitude of offensive songs distributed to millions and millions of listeners each day? There are consumer advocacy groups for every type of media and there are plenty of people who are offended by even shit like the BSDM lyrics in "I'm bringing sexy back".

11/16/2009 10:35:29 AM

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"If anywhere else, college should be the place that you encounter new and even offensive ideas. "

"Black people are farm equipment" is not a new idea that people should be exposed to in a college environment

11/16/2009 10:42:20 AM

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""The government" never steps in on these issues. The overall issue is that public universities in this country have become bastions for political correctness. If anywhere else, college should be the place that you encounter new and even offensive ideas. That's the cool thing about America. You (should) have the right to say and do whatever you want as long as it doesn't impinge upon the rights of others. It should not be your right to not be offended, because that is going to seriously fuck up the first right for everyone else"

Thank you for confirming that the government has not and will not step in. That is precisely why Ole Miss (and all those involved as I outlined above) has EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD to curtail this. What "right" are you referring to that they should have to be allowed to do this if 99.9% of the Ole Miss community no longer thinks it should be chanted and are taking steps to curtail it?

11/16/2009 10:44:45 AM

^^Is that the line then?

If a person is offended by something as much a black person is offended by that fight song then that something should be banned?

^No, they shouldn't. It's definitely within their power in our current system for them to do so, but that doesn't mean they should. The people singing the song should have the ultimate control over what they sing, and if they want to change it great. If other people are offended by it and want them to change, that's the bullshit.

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 10:46 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2009 10:44:48 AM

Hmm yes let's artificially and arbitrarily get "offended" about things to make a weak-assed point and get things banned!

OR: You could realize that blacks have a legitimate reason to be offended by this. Keep your lame-assed bigotry between you and your cousin-fucking family

11/16/2009 10:47:45 AM

Who said anything about being artificially or arbitrarily offended by anything?

Do you realize how many consumer advocacy groups there are out there? Do you know how many people are legitimately offended by all sorts of shit?

Or is it only black people that are allowed to be offended?

Oh and for the record, I didn't resort to ad hominem to prove my point.

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 10:50 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2009 10:49:14 AM

Why is that bullshit, though? There is no restrictive law being place on them. They aren't going to be thrown in jail for chanting it. They aren't going to be expelled from the school for chanting it.

The Ole Miss community as a whole is simply tired of looking like backwards ass rednecks and they want to change that. I don't even understand how this is controversial that they want to do this.

Is your entire argument that you hate political correctness and you are mad that a community decided they didn't want to look like jackasses?

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 10:50 AM. Reason : because this obviously is in no way a free speech argument that you're making as we established]

11/16/2009 10:50:02 AM

Pretty sure groups of people that have been historically and systematically oppressed have a right to be pissed when people remind them of that history

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"Oh and for the record, I didn't resort to ad hominem to prove my point."

Neither do I; I'm just stating the clear and simple fact that you're a dipshit redneck

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2009 10:50:38 AM

lol, you think I'm defending the song because I agree with the lyrics. You obviously don't read what I post.

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"Pretty sure groups of people that have been historically and systematically oppressed have a right to be pissed when people remind them of that history"

Indeed they have a right to be pissed. What they don't have a right to do is tell other people what they can and cannot say.

^^I've re-read the thread and I can't see where it was proved this isn't a freedom of speech issue.

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 10:54 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2009 10:54:00 AM

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"The people singing the song should have the ultimate control over what they sing, and if they want to change it great"

This is exactly what's happeneing.

11/16/2009 10:57:51 AM

^^

How does a student initiative to discourage a chant have anything to do with the first amendment?

^

Exactly. There is no law or act being put in here. It is simply a community trying to discourage a chant from being made.

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM. Reason : x]

11/16/2009 10:59:31 AM

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"lol, you think I'm defending the song because I agree with the lyrics. You obviously don't read what I post."

Ahhh I see a man of principles who just happens to be fed up at the uppity blacks

11/16/2009 10:59:32 AM

^ he's admitted before that members of his family are racist, i guess some of that has rubbed off on him.

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 11:03 AM. Reason : ]

11/16/2009 11:02:52 AM

FTA:

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"Chancellor Dan Jones said if University of Mississippi students continue to chant “the South will rise again” during football games, he will have to ask the Ole Miss Band to stop playing “From Dixie With Love.”"

It's not a "law" but surely you can see this is more than just the "community" trying to "discourage" these lyrics.

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"Ahhh I see a man of principles who just happens to be fed up at the uppity blacks"

just lol

11/16/2009 11:02:54 AM

factoid

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"something fictitious or unsubstantiated that is presented as fact, devised esp. to gain publicity and accepted because of constant repetition."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/factoid

11/16/2009 11:03:40 AM

I am just tired of the hypersensitivity and how overboard the mindset of being "politically correct" has gone. People have to walk on egg shells b.c it seems like no matter what someone is going to be offended over what someone else says. This usually gets manifested as some protest rally, lawsuit, or whining to the gov't to make some new law to protect "one's" feelings.

11/16/2009 11:07:52 AM

Not shouting "THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN" is the same as walking on egg shells. How often do you mop the drool off of your chin?

11/16/2009 11:09:05 AM

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"I am just tired of the hypersensitivity and how overboard the mindset of being "politically correct" has gone. People have to walk on egg shells b.c it seems like no matter what someone is going to be offended over what someone else says. This usually gets manifested as some protest rally, lawsuit, or whining to the gov't to make some new law to protect "one's" feelings."

This is definitely true. The era of people like Jesse Jackson is over. BET really needs to think about rebranding themselves like spikeTV or syfy network.

But change has to come from somewhere, and you can't resist what is essentially a grass roots type of movement under the guise of bucking hypersensitive political correctness. That is not what's happening in this case.


[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 11:11 AM. Reason : ]

11/16/2009 11:10:27 AM

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"Concerned student leaders, administrators, faculty, athletics administrators and coaches, alumni and major donors have called for discontinuing the chant"

Not to put the flag defenders and anti PC people in the same group as republicans, but instead of complaining shouldn't you all be touting the fact that this is a prime example of the success of free market economics?

A lot of this decision most likely has to do with how the school wants to be perceived, maybe so that they keep their major donors, or get better recruits who might not previously have come because of the chant.

11/16/2009 11:15:53 AM

Question: if the band stopped playing that song, do you think the assholes would stop chanting? What then?

11/16/2009 11:16:29 AM

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"I am just tired of the hypersensitivity and how overboard the mindset of being "politically correct" has gone. People have to walk on egg shells b.c it seems like no matter what someone is going to be offended over what someone else says. This usually gets manifested as some protest rally, lawsuit, or whining to the gov't to make some new law to protect "one's" feelings.""

I'm not a fan of the PC movement either, but I don't think that's what we're dealing with here. "The South Will Rise Again" isn't just politically incorrect, it's disrespectful. This isn't something that needs to be dealt with by the government stepping in. It's a human interaction issue. People need to learn how to treat other people. It isn't about free speech. It's about thinking "Hmm, if I say this, I wonder how other people might interpret it? What is the true meaning of what I'm saying? If I were in another person's position, would I be offended?"

You should be aiming to not offend people. If you speak the truth, and they get offended, oh well. But if you're saying something that should be considered offensive, you're a jerk, and I don't mind calling you out for it. So, we shouldn't be censoring our own speech because someone might get offended, but because we can actually determine that our own speech is justifiably offensive, on the basis that it demeans or disrespects an entire group of people. In this case, I think it fits that criteria.

11/16/2009 11:23:11 AM

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"It's about thinking "Hmm, if I say this, I wonder how other people might interpret it? What is the true meaning of what I'm saying? If I were in another person's position, would I be offended?""

This is *precisely* the PC movement you claim to not be a fan of.

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"You should be aiming to not offend people. If you speak the truth, and they get offended, oh well. But if you're saying something that should be considered offensive, you're a jerk, and I don't mind calling you out for it."

And you should be allowed to call them a jerk. But wait, wouldn't that offend them?

11/16/2009 11:31:56 AM

Empathy does not equal political correctness.

11/16/2009 11:34:39 AM

The south rose a long time ago. Hence the invasion of Yankees and illegal immigrants who all want to live here. Now if we could just put up some sort of wall to keep them out...

11/16/2009 11:36:06 AM

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"Indeed they have a right to be pissed. What they don't have a right to do is tell other people what they can and cannot say."

The suggested offended group isn't. The university is who is making this step forward. I don't see how anyone could possibly be arguing against this change. If anything, the issue should be about personal choice and based on the variety of options how anyone who is offended with this change can vote with their dollars and not go to the game. Just as when a corporation makes some inane policy and libertarian minded people advocate the company's right to do so and how any individual still has the free choice to not use their products, goods, or services.

There is no difference here.

11/16/2009 11:39:02 AM

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"This is *precisely* the PC movement you claim to not be a fan of."

Is it? I didn't know the PC movement was the equivalent showing a little respect to other people. My bad. Personally, if I were black, and someone said "You know what would be awesome? If we went back a time when you (and everyone of your race) would have been slave," I would feel insulted. Like I said, I'm not saying it should be illegal to say that. It's just a respect issue.

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"And you should be allowed to call them a jerk. But wait, wouldn't that offend them? "

As I mentioned before, if I speak the truth and someone gets offended, that isn't on me. A person that treats people like crap is a jerk.

[Edited on November 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM. Reason : ]

11/16/2009 11:40:24 AM

The thing that i love the most is how native southerners think they'd have any economy at all without northern transplants.


YES LETS GO BACK IN TIME TO WHEN WE WERE A PRE-INDUSTRIAL NATION OF SLAVE OWNERS!!! WOOOOOOO THE SOUTH WILL RIIIISE AGAIN!!!

11/16/2009 11:44:31 AM