i honestly think the subie should be on there... 1st they re-started the street rally car market and 2nd they don't have the reliability issues the evos have that we all knew they would...

12/29/2009 12:24:49 AM

Not to mention that the Subie was way easier to drive. Vs the the other competition in the WRC
Richard. Burns said that even after racing for the competitor teams

12/29/2009 12:23:36 PM

Here's Car and Driver's list:

BMW 3-Series
Honda Accord
Chevrolet Corvette
Porsche Boxster/Cayman
Ford Focus
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Honda S2000
Infiniti G
BMW 5-Series (E39)
Honda Fit

They came up with their list based on how many times a car made their 10 best list in the '00s.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/decade_in_review_10best_of_the_aughties-feature

12/29/2009 3:30:37 PM

^^^ the non-STi WRX had transmission problems, at least for the first couple of years. Other than that, I think the WRX and STi have been pretty solid.

The Evo hasn't really been too bad, from all I've seen, especially considering what it is (a fairly powerful, AWD, relatively inexpensive car owned nearly exclusively by people who drive the bejeezus out of them and often modify them--easily, i might add--to produce big hp and torque). They devour consumables even in stock form (like clutches going tits up after 5-30k miles VERY commonly, like maybe even more often than not), but they've really not been too bad. Not like the old DSMs, eating drivetrain parts all the time.

Regardless, I invite you to drive an Evo and compare it to an STi (much less a WRX). It kills it, hard. I wanted an STi, and figured I ought to at least drive an Evo before I bought the Subaru. It was all over from there...I was Evo shopping from then on, and bought one just 2-3 weeks later.

[Edited on December 29, 2009 at 5:22 PM. Reason : ^^ maybe in WRC, but the Evo is hands down the easiest thing I've driven to be fast in on pavement]

12/29/2009 5:19:02 PM

That puts cars like the 996 GT3 at a huge disadvantage (avail. for 1.5 years only)... And it doesn't really differentiate between chassis' of certain cars, like the Corvette or the Accord, even though there may be huge differences between generations. Interesting to look at none the less.

12/29/2009 5:19:10 PM

^I assume you're referring to the C&D list I posted yesterday. In which case they're referring to the Corvette C6. As far as the GT3, if you're aware of Car and Driver's "rules" for picking their 10 best you should know know they have a price cap of $70k (actually increased to $80k for 2010). Thus, the 911 in all its variations is not eligible.

As they increased it to $80k for 2010 the 911 was eligible but they decided that for the money the Cayman/Boxster is a superior vehicle.


Of course, their criteria is not the last decade's best track focused cars otherwise I'm sure the 996 and 997 GT3s would be on the list

Perhaps we should make a list of best track ready cars available in the last decade?

12/30/2009 9:12:34 AM