Say that I am a cigar aficionado and want to open a bar for others that share in my affinity for cigars. I found a space next to another bar, leased it, bought all of my products, and started hiring employees. However, due to the delay in getting my humidor built and installed, I was unable to open my doors until July 2, 2009.

By the letter of the new law, I would be given the awesome news of all the money that i spent being thrown away, as my space is not a freestanding space and is adjactent to a space where smoking is banned, despite not being connected.

Is that fair and just?

Now i understand that my example there just involved a lot of very specific scenarios that all must coincide in order for the example to work. However, I am aware that it is really hard to keep a place open AND have cigar sales meet the 25% of total sales required to be exempt. So even if we are talking about a place that has been open for years and is specifically designed as a cigar bar, the owners still have to provide proof of their sales numbers each month or be subject to the ban.

And for what it's worth, hookah bars aren't even given the option of being exempt as the law specifically only provided an exemption for cigar bars.

I am taking this new law as an opportunity to stop smoking, as bars are pretty much the only place that i currently smoke anyway. I still think that the law is stupid and fucks over otherwise honest and law abiding businesses that may have to start fudging numbers in order to not alienate a client base that is built off of the practice of smoking.

Also, the private clubs thing is awesome. As it pretty much only provides an exemption for country clubs. Those Senators have to be able to go down and have a cigar with their friends before a round of golf, right?

1/2/2010 1:48:19 AM

http://mspaintfetish.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/smoking-pussy1.jpg

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 3:32 PM. Reason : +]

1/2/2010 1:50:55 AM

lol

1/2/2010 1:51:15 AM

... and my post will now officially never get read at all. PUSSY FOILS MY PLANS AGAIN!

1/2/2010 1:52:16 AM

owned

1/2/2010 1:54:11 AM

i veddy sowwee

1/2/2010 1:54:52 AM

This ban is going to lead to an increase in teen smoking.

1/2/2010 1:57:01 AM

It's going to drive them underground where they're more likely to participate in binge smoking

1/2/2010 1:59:37 AM

agreeing with treetwista in this fucking thread

1/2/2010 2:02:59 AM

1/2/2010 2:04:19 AM

i've gotta agree with xplosivo on this one, since i, too, hate freedom

one of the main arguments for this ban when it got rolling was to keep from exposing non-smoking employees of bars and restaurants to second-hand smoke

but what about bars and restaurants (like the one i work at) where all of the employees are either smokers or don't give a shit about smoking?

1/2/2010 4:27:49 AM

This thread makes my head hurt

1/2/2010 4:34:11 AM

i'm allergic to threads like this

and smoke

1/2/2010 9:29:25 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/fashion/03smoking.html

1/2/2010 12:04:21 PM

Quote :

"If you can't handle being near it you're a goddamn pussy"

1/2/2010 12:07:28 PM

Wanna know what? I'm allergic to nicotine, don't smoke, and think this pile of shit law is one of the worst pieces of legislation to go through the Capitol building. Damned elitists. If you don't like your job, FUCKING QUIT YOU FUCKING DUMBASSES. Every job has risks which are known before employment, and you can choose to accept that job or not. If you don't want to be making cash in a smoking bar, be the fry cook at McDonald's.

1/2/2010 12:23:04 PM

^ this guy.

1/2/2010 12:27:24 PM

I swear, I've read all the posts from xplosivo and it is seriously like tumbling down a hole that gets deeper and deeper and just when you think it would end, you suddenly have another mile to fall.

here we have an outstanding gentlemen who has made judgmental attributions, oversimplifications, and has even compared indoor smoking to segregation.

i pray for my sake you will not post again

1/2/2010 12:35:37 PM

i mean i really just want to take a hammer and beat on your head until something good happens

1/2/2010 12:36:59 PM

hahaha


10/10 thread

1/2/2010 12:37:22 PM

I'm not arguing either way but this

Quote :

"and lol at all the sensitive little pricks that can't be around a little bit of smoke. what a bunch of monumental weiners"

is fucking stupid. Soo, if you're allergic to something you should just man the fuck up and deal with it? So, we shouldn't have to label foods with allergins because people that are allergic should just man the fuck up?


^^^^^^That's funny coming from you! You should just shut your smoke sensitive mouth since you lied on your housing form!!

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2010 12:39:31 PM

The sense of entitlement on both sides is amazing.

Honestly, I think I should be allowed to punch smokers in the face. You're smoking is assaulting my senses, my fist is assaulting your face. It's basically the same thing.

1/2/2010 12:40:57 PM

yeah, try that next time

1/2/2010 12:41:51 PM

Quote :

"So, we shouldn't have to label foods with allergins because people that are allergic should just man the fuck up?"

I'm allergic to shrimp, so I don't eat at places that serve them. There were plenty of non-smoking bars before the ban. If you're allergic to smoke, don't go to the non-smoking joints. Same deal.

1/2/2010 12:44:41 PM

Why not? Smokers have been doing it for decades without any recourse. Guys like you wouldn't last long as a smoker.

1/2/2010 12:45:00 PM

well then start punching people and shut up

1/2/2010 12:45:58 PM

^ But why would I do that? Supposedly, this is a civilized society, it's just that no one told the smokers who value their own "rights" over human decency. And the non-smokers are the evil ones. You people are fucking morons.

Quote :

"If you're allergic to smoke, don't go to the non-smoking joints. Same deal."

If you're handicapped, too fucking bad, don't go to the establishment that doesn't have access for you.

If you don't have a strong stomach, don't eat at the restaurant that has old food.



See how that works?

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 12:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 12:46:29 PM

^^hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 12:46 PM. Reason : ^]

1/2/2010 12:46:33 PM

tuff guys ITT

1/2/2010 12:47:01 PM

i dont like weed.

can i punch weed smokers in the face?

1/2/2010 12:48:00 PM

tuff girl ITT

1/2/2010 12:48:46 PM

Shrimp could kill me. Why should a restaurant be allowed to endanger my life by serving something that could kill me?!

Oh, right, I'm an adult. I can steer myself clear of shit like that.

It's also worth pointing out that the state has no money to enforce this law. Couple that with TWO formal warnings before there's even a fine levied, and I think it'll be a while before you see some places actually comply.

1/2/2010 12:48:51 PM

Because when I eat shrimp at a restaurant I dont spit it back up and jam it down your throat.

1/2/2010 12:50:07 PM

Quote :

"Soo, if you're allergic to something you should just man the fuck up and deal with it? So, we shouldn't have to label foods with allergins because people that are allergic should just man the fuck up?"

I don't go into or work at Bath and Body works because entering the store practically gives me hives

1/2/2010 12:50:27 PM

Quote :

"Because when I eat shrimp at a restaurant I dont spit it back up and jam it down your throat."

and then I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE

1/2/2010 12:51:03 PM

im allergic to red sauce BBQ we should do away with Q shack

1/2/2010 12:51:36 PM

Quote :

"i dont like weed. can i punch weed smokers in the face?"

damn girl i don't bother nobody

1/2/2010 12:52:09 PM

Quote :

"Because when I eat shrimp at a restaurant I dont spit it back up and jam it down your throat."

wait, you don't?

FUCK IVE BEEN DOING IT WRONG THIS ENTIRE TIME

1/2/2010 12:52:23 PM

i once got salmonella poisoning for a burger king


can we punch the manager in the face?
or maybe the person who made my sandwich.
you know...maybe we should just do it to the whole staff to be safe.


awwwww McDanger i dont like smoking weed. its not for me.
im being facetious
i do not care one way or the other who does or doesnt



[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 12:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2010 12:52:42 PM

^^^^Capitalism already did that

1/2/2010 12:52:45 PM

Quote :

"and then I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE"

Id be jamming something other than shrimp down your throat

1/2/2010 12:53:18 PM

I'm allergic to ketchup-based BBQ we should do away with western NC




and for the record, I agree with the smoking ban, but anybody who is turning folks in for breaking it is bitch-made



plus, don't you realize that this was only passed to raise money for NC in its times of financial struggle? you must be dumb if you don't think Bev is gonna have her "smoking ban enforcement" shock troops out in every fucking bar in Raleigh ticketing motherfuckers left and right

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 12:53:31 PM

I like how these passive aggressive cowards can't handle a trace amount of smoke, and so they resort to fantasizing about doing direct physical harm to people who are simply enjoying themselves

1/2/2010 12:54:21 PM

Quote :

"I don't go into or work at Bath and Body works because entering the store practically gives me hives"

The correct analogy then is that the majority of department stores are Bath and Body works. Your universe of choice just got reduced to virtually nothing. Welcome to the non-smokers last century.

Quote :

"I like how these passive aggressive cowards can't handle a trace amount of smoke, and so they resort to fantasizing about doing direct physical harm to people who are simply enjoying themselves"

Yeah, all smoking is trace amounts. Get the fuck out pussy.

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 12:54:53 PM

i just got an "OH SHIT INTERNAL ERROR!!!"

should i punch qntmfred in the face?

1/2/2010 12:55:19 PM

oh noes you can't go out and consume a completely optional substance because other people are consuming other completely optional substances that you don't like

phone the fucking babby patrol

1/2/2010 12:55:43 PM

Quote :

"The correct analogy then is that the majority of department stores are Bath and Body works."

Not if you live in Raleigh, where plenty of non-smoking bars and restaurants have existed for quite a while.

Quote :

"you must be dumb if you don't think Bev is gonna have her "smoking ban enforcement" shock troops out in every fucking bar in Raleigh ticketing motherfuckers left and right"

While I agree, the law targets the bar, not the patron, so there won't be a lot of tickets to hand out even if they do have an enforcement fleet (which they don't have money for).

1/2/2010 12:59:09 PM

^ pretty sure there are individual punishments as well


also


McDanger trying too hard ITT

[Edited on January 2, 2010 at 1:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2010 1:00:57 PM

Which bars downtown are non smoking? Which restaurants?

And 3 years ago, this was vastly different. I bet many have been going non smoking knowing that this law was coming.

1/2/2010 1:01:28 PM

so is this law for just bars or what?

i really need to start watching the news again i guess

1/2/2010 1:01:38 PM