we all (well the majority of us I think) hate paying taxes, some of us just realize they may be necessary, or are atleast part of the deal with living in the USA.


now magnify that by 10x b/c you cant provide for your family, mostly due to the IRS constantly harassing you on paying.


I've never been there, but I do sympathize some (not to the point of trying to kill innocent IRS workers though, its pretty extreme)

2/19/2010 4:00:30 PM

My taxes have gone down, while my earnings have gone up.

2/19/2010 4:02:47 PM

^^ He owned an airplane.

2/19/2010 4:16:39 PM

Sounds like he started his own software company on two separate occasions and failed on both occasions. As a small business owner he fucked up his taxes both times and suffered penalties, subsequently blaming the IRS for his failure.

Lessons to learn here:
1) hire a CPA
2) take some responsibility

2/19/2010 4:23:40 PM

You shouldn't need a CPA to pay your taxes correctly. It shouldn't take a god damn college degree to obey the law and not get robbed by the government at the same time.

2/19/2010 4:28:18 PM

^^^stfu bitch.

honestly i wouldn't complain if one of these teabaggers flew a plane right into your moms fucking basement where you post from all day nonstop.

2/19/2010 4:30:05 PM

wtfuck is wrong with you?

2/19/2010 4:35:42 PM

AIDS

2/19/2010 4:59:38 PM

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"You shouldn't need a CPA to pay your taxes correctly. It shouldn't take a god damn college degree to obey the law and not get robbed by the government at the same time."

It sounds like maybe you're not distinguishing between most individuals, and those running businesses. I don't think it is absolutely necessary for most people to hire professional help for their taxes, but if you're running a business it is a good idea to have a professional look at the numbers if you have less than a college degree, I think was the suggestion.

And for those who want it, there are often community groups, non-profits, government groups, banks, and free online tools that will all do your taxes for you if you bring them the documents. Doing taxes isn't fun, but I've had SECU do mine for the past few years.


Just as a general thought, not responding to anyone in particular.... No one likes paying taxes, but I get relatively good food & drug, safety, clean air, roads, national defense, police, fire protection, salted roads before winter storms, voting time/equipment, stable society to live in, street lights, city planning,and other benefits, that I am okay with paying my share. And of course a little help with college in terms of grants have helped a lot of people who post on this board. I don't consider not getting all those services for free being robbed.

2/19/2010 5:17:15 PM

God like trolling ITT

2/19/2010 5:17:49 PM

Why are conservatives always so concerned with the motives of terrorists?

2/19/2010 6:01:50 PM

It seems like some of you either didn't read the entire screed or you didn't take the time to comprehend it

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"Lessons to learn here: 1) hire a CPA"

He did just that, and the CPA fucked him.

After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.


And before that, a $10,000 fine for not telling the IRS you didn't earn any income

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

2/19/2010 6:25:19 PM

This is the most resonating point for our generation

However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

2/19/2010 6:28:13 PM

that's not new to any generation

2/19/2010 6:32:24 PM

Didn't say it was new.

2/19/2010 6:35:35 PM

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"^^ He owned an airplane."

Not saying whether he did or didn't have a lot of money, but the airplane he had can be had used for the price of a new car:

http://www.barnstormers.com/Piper,%20PA-28+Cherokee%20Classifieds.htm

Now granted, owning a flying a plane can be a very expensive hobby, but merely owning the plane means almost nothing. Further he probably owned the plane from a time before the IRS climbed up his ass with a flashlight.

Still he's a damn idiot for doing what he did.

2/19/2010 6:45:35 PM

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"That's pretty much the definition of a conservative. MY rights MY money MY liberty MY guns MY freedom MY religion"

Sounds awesome to me.

Now, I think a lot of "conservatives" pick and choose on all of those except for the guns and money (and a few do on those, too), so I totally "get" having a problem with conservatives, as I do too.

...but how you frame that list as a bad thing is beyond me.





and yes, preparing taxes shouldn't be a zillion dollar industry. that's indication enough that things are out of control.

2/19/2010 7:07:20 PM

^law is a much bigger industry than that

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"the airplane he had can be had used for the price of a new car"

Purchase isn't the big expense, maintenance and storage are the big costs.

2/19/2010 7:09:36 PM

^^ it's "bad" because it's extremely vague, and utterly meaningless.

There's nothing in that list that opposes non-conservative philosophies.

2/19/2010 7:37:03 PM

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"Didn't say it was new."

awesome!

2/19/2010 7:37:22 PM

indeed....

2/19/2010 7:45:38 PM

^^^ no, sounds to me like he was disparaging conservatism by describing it with that list.

(obviously i have a different view of conservatism than that of 98% of the Republican Party, but I still am all for everything in that list).

2/19/2010 8:50:08 PM

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"I hope that critics of the gov't do not turn this guy into a cult hero"

Too late.

Joe Stack Hailed as Hero in American 'Patriot' Resurgence

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/patriot-movement-calling-joe-stack-hero/story?id=9889443

2/19/2010 8:58:15 PM

http://consumerist.com/2010/02/man-bulldozes-home-after-foreclosure.html

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"A man in Ohio grew so angry at his bank for refusing to work with him to keep his home that he bulldozed it. He told WLWT News, "As far as what the bank is going to get, I plan on giving them back what was on this hill exactly (as) it was. I brought it out of the ground and I plan on putting it back in the ground." Terry Hoskins owed $160,000 on a mortage on the home, which was valued at $350,000. Hoskins says the IRS placed liens on his business property and home after his brother, a former business partner, sued him. He says the bank then claimed his home as collateral and refused to accept a $170,000 buyout offer on the mortgage, telling him they could get more from it at auction."

^^^ I didn't initially realize that you were talking about what God was saying, but I don't think what he actually meant was conveyed in the post he made... but i'll let him defend it if he wishes.

[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 9:24 PM. Reason : ]

2/19/2010 9:16:58 PM

By far my favorite "guy pissed of at the world decides to fuck everybody" story is the KILLDOZER

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"Marvin John Heemeyer (October 28, 1951 – June 4, 2004) was a welder and an automobile muffler repair shop owner. Angered over the outcome of a zoning dispute, he armored a Komatsu D355A bulldozer with layers of steel and concrete and used it on June 4, 2004, to demolish the town hall, a former judge's home, and other buildings in Granby, Colorado. The rampage ended when the bulldozer became immobilized. After a standoff with law enforcement agencies, Heemeyer committed suicide by gunshot."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

Here's the news footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA

No innocent people were harmed in this escapade. Police tried everything to stop him, shooting at it, putting stuff in front of it, they even tried climbing on it, but he had coated it in lubricant.

2/19/2010 9:48:02 PM

No need to buy a plane or build a killdozer. It's hard to beat a rental box truck for a destruction vehicle, especially if you don't plan on walking away. For a $40 rental fee and a few hundred dollars in gasoline he could have burned an office building just as easily.

[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 10:03 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2010 10:03:10 PM

I am waiting for this to happen to the Goldman Sachs building at some point.

2/19/2010 10:20:29 PM

Why wait? Ryder is open late.

[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 10:28 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2010 10:28:17 PM

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"And for those who want it, there are often community groups, non-profits, government groups, banks, and free online tools that will all do your taxes for you if you bring them the documents. Doing taxes isn't fun, but I've had SECU do mine for the past few years."

Ironically, one of those great non-profit groups?

ACORN.

DUN DUN DUN...........

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"Sounds awesome to me. ...but how you frame that list as a bad thing is beyond me."

Because a person with those priorities doesn't give a shit about anyone else, especially weird and strange people like the impoverished or minorities. It's a "fuck you, got mine" attitude. It's the reason conservatives want to trash social programs and keep money for themselves. They ignore the institutionalized benefits that put them in the top in the first place, and they want to make sure that no one else gets a dime of their money. Thus, the privileged middle class stays where they are, and the poor people get shit on for eternity.

Ironically, most of these people claim to be of the Christian faith, one that espouses helping out a fellow man. And don't give me the "oh well we should be able to decide on our own to give to charity," because that's a load of shit and you know it. Do you really think that people in poverty would get just as much money as welfare programs get them through voluntary donations? Dream on.

2/19/2010 11:42:17 PM

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"And for those who want it, there are often community groups, non-profits, government groups, banks, and free online tools that will all do your taxes for you if you bring them the documents. Doing taxes isn't fun, but I've had SECU do mine for the past few years. "

Most of them won't do "complex taxes", which if you're running a business, you fall under. Hell, I sold some stock this year and that alone puts me into the "complex" category.

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"Purchase isn't the big expense, maintenance and storage are the big costs."

Depends really. Tie downs can be had for cheap and while maintenance is expensive, a private license allows you to fly people for cost of fuel/engine time and a flight instructor certificate allows you to take on students to offset the costs of flying, which many private pilots do. Again it's absolutely a pricey hobby to have, but it can be done on a middle class income if it is your only expensive hobby.

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"Do you really think that people in poverty would get just as much money as welfare programs get them through voluntary donations?"

Maybe not as much money, but they would get better help. Cut out all the middle men between the tax payer and the poor and each dollar does a hell of a lot more.

[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 11:59 PM. Reason : sag]

[Edited on February 20, 2010 at 12:02 AM. Reason : dfgf]

2/19/2010 11:57:31 PM

i like logic

Quote :

"Just as a general thought, not responding to anyone in particular.... No one likes paying taxes, but I get relatively good food & drug, safety, clean air, roads, national defense, police, fire protection, salted roads before winter storms, voting time/equipment, stable society to live in, street lights, city planning,and other benefits, that I am okay with paying my share. And of course a little help with college in terms of grants have helped a lot of people who post on this board. I don't consider not getting all those services for free being robbed. "

think for yourselves, this guy has a few loose...

[Edited on February 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM. Reason : .too many drinks]

2/20/2010 1:06:42 AM

All of those services are paid by a small pittance of total revenue collected.

2/20/2010 1:09:13 AM

i also don't mind all of our grandparents having insurance and a monthly income

2/20/2010 1:16:25 AM

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"Most of them won't do "complex taxes", which if you're running a business"

That was my point. Most people don't need a college degree to do their taxes because they can either do them on their own or easily get help.

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"All of those services are paid by a small pittance "

Yeah, that national defense thing I mentioned, hardly spend anything on defense or military operations.

2/20/2010 2:02:45 AM

Here’s a good fivethirtyeight article on peoples’ perceptions of where their tax dollars go:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/foreign-aid-spending-is-crippling-our.html

2/20/2010 2:09:30 AM

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"They ignore the institutionalized benefits that put them in the top in the first place, and they want to make sure that no one else gets a dime of their money. Thus, the privileged middle class stays where they are, and the poor people get shit on for eternity."

What institutionalized benefits are you talking about? The ones where poor and minorities get WAY more help to go to college than your average middle classer?

2/20/2010 9:52:44 AM

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"national defense"

Very little money goes to defending the nation. Now the "War Department" spends enormous sums, not including the actual cost of the current wars which is not included in the budget. Lumping everything under the word "defense" is misleading, and intended to be so.

Even if you approve of widespead social programs, you cannot argue that there isn't rampant waste at every level of government. An aggressive auditing program, responsible budgets and a government waste "tip" line with monetary awards would tighten the belt. To suggest that cutting programs completely is the only solution is the same bullshit false dilemma dumbass politicians use. "OMG WE'RE OUT OF MONEY WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE LIBRARY!!!1"

2/22/2010 1:23:41 PM

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"^ THAT'S RIGHT! ....BECAUSE WE ALL BASE OUR POLITICAL BELIEFS ON HOW THINGS AFFECT US PERSONALLY!!!!!!!!!2"

The outcomes of your political beliefs ARE affecting you personally ... and negatively, lol

Gotta love how the GOP has created the opposite of the French revolution, where alienated workers begged to get fucked harder by the long dick of their corporate masters

2/22/2010 5:41:21 PM

Quote :

"Just as a general thought, not responding to anyone in particular.... No one likes paying taxes, but I get relatively good food & drug, safety, clean air, roads, national defense, police, fire protection, salted roads before winter storms, voting time/equipment, stable society to live in, street lights, city planning,and other benefits, that I am okay with paying my share. And of course a little help with college in terms of grants have helped a lot of people who post on this board. I don't consider not getting all those services for free being robbed."

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"i also don't mind all of our grandparents having insurance and a monthly income"

So I guess you'd be ok with me taking your money also as long as I provide some kind of service or product in return? Sounds like a good business model to me.

2/23/2010 11:23:35 AM

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"So I guess you'd be ok with me taking your money also as long as I provide some kind of service or product in return? Sounds like a good business model to me."

clearly because somebody handed you money it is all yours

2/23/2010 11:35:02 AM

If I become a citizen of your country then I guess so.

2/23/2010 11:57:52 AM

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"What institutionalized benefits are you talking about? The ones where poor and minorities get WAY more help to go to college than your average middle classer?"

Your average White middle classer can afford college, has a support structure due to having parents with a combined income over six figures, and came from a good school.

Your average poor minority has none of these things.

Stop whining and enjoy your free lunch.

2/23/2010 12:08:48 PM

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"clearly because somebody handed you money it is all yours"

I didn't say anything about anyone handing me money. I just want to take it. Preferably out of your paycheck so you don't even get a chance to see it first.

2/23/2010 12:24:02 PM

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"has a support structure due to having parents with a combined income over six figures"

LOL. Dumbest thing Ive heard on here in awhile. Its amazing this country somehow got along without all those 6 figure incomes.

I think you have a point about the support structure with PARENTS...that will actually make a difference.

2/23/2010 1:39:45 PM

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"Your average White middle classer can afford college, has a support structure due to having parents with a combined income over six figures, and came from a good school. Your average poor minority has none of these things. Stop whining and enjoy your free lunch."

I know logic fails you, but white middle classes being able to afford out of pocket is mutually exclusive from any other group being either able to afford it or able to get the loans/grants/jobs to afford it.

2/23/2010 6:27:22 PM

You're really living up to your name, except you should add "White" in between "Old" and "Man."

2/23/2010 9:02:53 PM

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"Your average White middle classer can afford college, has a support structure due to having parents with a combined income over six figures, and came from a good school. "

[citation needed]

2/23/2010 9:19:05 PM

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"[citation needed]"

Did you attend college? It should be something blatantly obvious, like "water is wet," but...

first google result for "college attendance family income"

http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/webfeatures_snapshots_20051012/

2/23/2010 9:32:56 PM

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"You're really living up to your name, except you should add "White" in between "Old" and "Man.""

I'm Angry because I think your logic and defense of your positions are laughable?

2/23/2010 10:13:04 PM

Nice to see I'm not the only one to try to deal with your idiocy.

2/23/2010 11:17:46 PM