http://lmgtfy.com/?q=teabagger+shouting+nigger

There you go. Have fun discrediting every link in google.

3/24/2010 9:51:39 PM

wow, look at all those blog posts that only show up

you are proving my point, lol.

3/24/2010 9:54:00 PM

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"care to show how the build-up of the bubble was not caused by the gov't? or are you just gonna call me names and run away?"

--aaronburro


You said this, like 30 minutes ago, in the healthcare thread. So now I will apply the same logic to you right now. Do you care to prove that the slurs and destruction of property DID NOT occur?

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 9:57 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 9:56:57 PM

Your original point about Democrat dealing being worse than your boys issuing death threats? Or you new point that something has to be on video to be believed?

Maybe you can search Stupak's voicemails on google. They were recorded on tape! Your burden of proof was satisfied!

3/24/2010 9:58:59 PM

I provided evidence. And then you surprisingly stopped talking. so you felt the need to come in here and remind us all of how much I owned your ass? please, forgive me for not realizing I had said something in a different thread.. But hey, why don't you respond to what I posted once I realized my mistake?

^ I'm not saying it has to be on video to be believable. But, it seems absurd that it is NOT on video. Anywhere. You are telling me that with all of those douchebags running around, NO ONE caught it? Really?

And stupak? Do we have proof that those guys were actual teabaggers? Is it not possible that, after the original rumours circulated, that people who wanted to make teabaggers look bad went out to payphones and did some copy-cat shit? Not at all hard to believe, as people on both sides of the aisle have done such shady things before

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 10:02 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 9:59:51 PM

this is a link to the washington post:
http://tinyurl.com/ycn2hzz

3/24/2010 10:02:34 PM

i don't think you know what evidence means.


you provided your generalized, hackneyed theory. which i shake my dick at. the only point i'm trying to prove is your general disregard for standard logic and rationality. you said something in a different thread, which clearly contradicts your logic in this thread. your opinions clearly jump around from topic to topic without much thought for ideological consistency. are you no longer responsible for your opinions made within the past hour? christ.

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 10:07 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 10:03:15 PM

^^ is nothing new. The GOPs headquarters have been vandalized before, as you will well recall. it doesn't make it ok for teabaggers to do it, but it doesn't make it in any way out of the ordinary or something shockingly new. You are simply "shocked" by it because it is done by people with whom you don't agree. I would likely have the same bias were the roles reversed

^ take it in the other thread, dude. Funny that you took so long to FINALLY come up with a "retort." And that you only did so after being called out on NOT responding. I've already explained, TWICE, that I posted something in a different thread that I thought was in the thread we were in at the time. GET THE FUCK OVER IT AND GET THE SAND OUT OF YOUR VAGINA. you sound pathetic going on and on over abso-fucking-lutely nothing. "OH MY GOD, YOU LOST TRACK OF WHICH THREAD YOU POSTED SOMETHING IN, HOW TERRIBLE!"

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 10:06 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 10:04:26 PM

show me a large bill that doesnt have pork, the fact that this 2,500 page bill only has 1 questionable deal is not bad, and the fact that its being take out is far different from unrepentant lunatics who have no respect for democracy and who seem to be content with complaining while offering no real alternatives.

can you imagine if a leader out of the teabagger movement had been elected president. they would've had to face the tough decisions of bailing out banks or allow financia armageddon.
but they're satisfied with an outsider's role where they can complain all day long but never have to come up with real solutions.



[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 10:09 PM. Reason : ,]

3/24/2010 10:05:28 PM

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[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 10:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 10:05:28 PM

^^^you said you wanted a source that wasn't a blog. i didn't say i was shocked about anything.

3/24/2010 10:06:41 PM

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"Is it not possible that, after the original rumours circulated, that people who wanted to make teabaggers look bad went out to payphones and did some copy-cat shit?"

Haha. You are right. It's a vast liberal conspiracy.

3/24/2010 10:07:09 PM

that's not a source which verifies the epithets and spitting. it's only one reporting the rumour of it. nice try

^ do you deny that such shit has been done before? And it's not a "liberal" thing, as I've already pointed out. People make shit up all the time in order to make the opposition look bad. Dan rather is one. Hell, the pubs did it recently with the fake Dem. talking points

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 10:09 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 10:07:18 PM

you can talk all day about proof but the fact is i dont think anyone would be surprised if it were true, and i think thats just as much about the baggers as any action they take

3/24/2010 10:11:09 PM

Let me get this straight.

It's an outrage for a random protester to call somebody a faggot.

But it's perfectly acceptable for liberals to refer to the protesters as "teabaggers" for what, a year now?

3/24/2010 11:15:23 PM

^Yep, that's a fair summary of the issue.

3/24/2010 11:22:04 PM

What the fuck does "economic justice" even mean?

3/24/2010 11:24:50 PM

aaronburro reminds me of Cartman in that student president episode.

3/24/2010 11:30:08 PM

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"Let me get this straight. It's an outrage for a random protester to call somebody a faggot. But it's perfectly acceptable for liberals to refer to the protesters as "teabaggers" for what, a year now?"

right, because the standards of name calling and debate on online message boards is the same as how you address an elected official


hey everyone its ok to call democrat congressmen "niggers" and "faggots" cause a liberal called me a tea bagger
even though thats the name i chose for myself






[Edited on March 25, 2010 at 12:37 AM. Reason : .]

3/25/2010 12:33:52 AM

I thought the protesters started calling themselves teabaggers first?

3/25/2010 12:35:44 AM

Kris has been throwing around faggot left and right. He's a liberal though, so obviously it's not meant to be offensive and we can disregard it, right?

3/25/2010 12:38:21 AM

3/25/2010 12:52:38 AM

Why is Alaska, the state she abandoned, super-imposed over the US?

3/25/2010 12:56:45 AM

FBI looks into gas line cut

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/03/24/2240928.aspx

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"Investigators have reached no conclusions about how or why it happened. But the line was cut after the home's address was posted on a blog and a Facebook page, both maintained by members of a local Tea Party group who thought it was the home of Rep. Tom Perriello, a Virginia Democrat who voted in favor of the health-care bill. One said, "This is Rep. Thomas Stuart Price Perriello's home address," and added, "I ain't holding back anymore!!" The other urged readers to "drop by" the home and "express their thanks" for the vote. The cut in the gas line, which runs from a propane tank to a gas grill on a screened-in porch, was discovered Tuesday, the day after the address was posted."

Palin responding to HCR passing: Don't retreat. Reload.
Joe Wilson: You LIE!
Rep. Randy Neugebauer: Baby KILLER! (a comment he's using to raise $ with)
Glenn Beck: Telling everyone the democrats are communists, and making picking up your gun references.
Virginia Foxx: We have more to fear from HCR than from terrorism. The dems are out to mjurder grandma.
Random Tea Partiers: Racist & homophobic slurs & spitting on congressmen, smashing windows, assaulting the wrong homes, leaving phone messages on elected representatives answering machines at their homes that are threatening representatives/their families with violence for not voting the way they want.

Yeah, they're not going to win the independents with this focus on the fundamentalist side of the right.



[Edited on March 25, 2010 at 1:35 AM. Reason : .]

3/25/2010 1:11:14 AM

Michele Bachmann

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"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us, having a revolution every now and then is a good thing"

Yeah, keep saying shoot the elected officials in a democracy that you disagree with, see how many independents that wins over.

3/25/2010 2:27:52 AM

I don't see how you get "shoot the elected officials" out of that. No one is advocating violence.

3/25/2010 2:32:47 AM

Oh no, the government is out to literally out to kill your family/grandparentsbabies, so pick up your gun, and by the by here are the home addresses and phone numbers of your Democratic legislators, and this map with cross-hairs points to where they are, so you know, put them in the firing line, and metaphorically fire on these communists who are taken over the country in a way that demands revolution. Don't retreat. Reload.

No way preaching these messages to the fringe could end badly

Not that I think there is a big chance that it will go much beyond smashing windows with bricks, yelling racist terms at legislators, leaving threatening voice-mails for legislators' families, and cutting the gas lines at the wrong house when you were told that was where the democrat lived, but still my point is that these tactics only service to drive away the moderates.

[Edited on March 25, 2010 at 2:49 AM. Reason : .]

3/25/2010 2:44:47 AM

Back at the topic at hand.

I think it should be obvious that the Tea Party is hurting the GOP. The more the conservatives split up amongst each other, and the more the GOP is influenced by them, the more harm that's going to come to the party, which certainly isn't good for the nation. As long as the Tea Party exists to push the GOP further to the right, it will just mean the alienation of people that lie near the center, such as myself.

Who really knows though? I guess we'll really find out in the next elections. But the last thing any party, whether it be the Democrats or Republicans, needs is becoming associated with violent members of their party. But I think that as long as people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck encourage these people, it will harm the GOP.

3/25/2010 3:19:26 AM

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"right, because the standards of name calling and debate on online message boards is the same as how you address an elected official "

Wasn't there some clip floating around a few months back of all the major news outlets doing the same thing?

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"The more the conservatives split up amongst each other, and the more the GOP is influenced by them, the more harm that's going to come to the party, which certainly isn't good for the nation. As long as the Tea Party exists to push the GOP further to the right, it will just mean the alienation of people that lie near the center, such as myself."

Honestly I'm failing to see how this is ultimately a bad thing for the nation. Both the GOP and the DNC need to implode on themselves Neither are doing any good for the country as a whole, and anything that occurs to drive people away from the big parties (and hopefully put them off part associations in the first place) is clearly a good thing in the long run.

3/25/2010 7:56:58 AM

// warning words //

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"what bothers me the most about teabaggers (i can't believe i just typed that) is this: the complete breakdown of discourse. what we are seeing has the potential to be very toxic. mass hysteria starts off with shouting, and general dick-headedness. but it then leads to the destruction of property (which seems to be happening). After that, it escalates into physical violence. it only takes one lunatic to cross the threshold of property damage to physical assault before others follow."

John Robb has addressed this:

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"We have collectively developed the belief that the capitalist system that we work in and our system of governance, although very messy at times and often harsh, is fundamentally fair. The financial collapse proved that these beliefs were completely unfounded and we (collectively) were fools for believing in such nonsense. Here's how this realization rolled out, step by step. First, the meager rewards of system (the status quo game) stopped coming: * Easy, endless debt in lieu of gains in income (for increasingly productive hard work) was either made impossible to get or converted into usurious debt. * Wealth, particularly in the form of home values/pensions/expected future earnings, evaporated. * Incomes tumbled (cut backs in hours, permanent to temp status, outsourcing, or outright termination) while prices (education to health in particular) kept accelerating. Second, in contrast to the game depicted above (where the pigeon was first given regular rewards and then suddenly and without explanation denied those rewards), it was now generally known why our rewards for participation in the system had at first dwindled and finally stopped: our capitalist system had become so corrupt that a relatively small group of people were able to perpetrate the greatest financial theft in the history of mankind."

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/03/rational-rage-at-a-broken-system.html


John Boehner condemned the violence the other day and urged opponents of health care to use the normal means; calling their congressmen, becoming politically active, writing letters to the editor, etc. The problem is, that is precisely what has been happening. Whatever your personal political views, a majority or at least a strong minority of Americans have consistently opposed the Bush stimulus, TARP, the bank bailout, the Obama stimulus and now health care. Not once in any of those have "strongly favored" come anywhere near "strongly opposed".

The perception of this group is that the system:
1) has cheated them even though they played by the rules
2) is not set up to support them because they're not a politically connected class (bankers, unions, government workers)
3) the benefits to politically connected classes will be balanced on their backs

So basically, no matter how much they speak out, they will be ignored and their livelihoods and freedoms will be threatened as a result. At some point, especially if either a) the GOP does not win big in November or b) the GOP wins and continues on this same trace . . . violence is inevitable.

3/25/2010 9:36:15 AM

hahaha wow

3/25/2010 9:37:38 AM

I'm not saying this is right, but a sizable proportion of Americans are in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression and get the impression that the government is working for everyone but them.

Since perception is more important than reality . . .

3/25/2010 9:43:43 AM

wow

3/25/2010 9:45:04 AM

like the man said...

wow

I think your idea of a sizable minority is off. What we have is an extremely vocal and increasingly violent minority, there's a difference. Also, if any teabaggers believe that nobody is listening to them then they're either blind, fools, or willfully ignoring the very obvious evidence in front of them(!) like; Representatives and Senators appearing a tea party rallies, major coverage of minor tea party protests on television networks, the recent VP candidate appearing at their convention, using their influence to get a legitimate GOP candidate to drop out of a race in lieu of their chosen candidate (only works on a local level since there's not really a big national Tea Party structure, yet).

Any belief that nobody is listening is simply ignoring reality.

Also, just because people are listening do your concerns doesn't mean they're going to agree with your concerns. You can ask a Congressman to vote a certain way all you want, but the Congressman always has the right to tell you no.

[Edited on March 25, 2010 at 9:55 AM. Reason : .]

3/25/2010 9:55:19 AM

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"think your idea of a sizable minority is off."

"Teabaggers" are not the only opposition to these legislative acts. While they themselves are a minority, consistently, polling has shown that the nation has been divided 50/50 at best, generally opposing these acts and consistently the "strongly opposed" have outnumbered the "strongly favoring".

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"major coverage of minor tea party protests on television networks"

Which has been generally far more unfavorable than favorable.

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"Any belief that nobody is listening is simply ignoring reality."

This may be the case, but I'm saying perception is what counts, not reality. Either way, you and I both know that a politician simply showing up at an event is not the same as actually listening to their constituents.

3/25/2010 10:20:13 AM

BobCam is right, and I've been seeing this play out for years.

Just because those of us in this majority* aren't yelling or vandalizing doesn't mean we're not here. And you know what pisses us off even more than the government? It's all of you (typically liberal) that insist our majority is best described as violent or racist. Most of us are neither, and we cannot control the few idiots that are. Personally, I hate that I have to be "under the same tent" as republicans or other social conservatives/bigots/theocrats. But what choice do I have? The government is out of control, and you stupid fucking liberals want to make it even bigger. You must be stopped.


* (the majority comprised of citizens that are mother-fucking fed up with the government doing whatever they want despite the constitution... i.e. teabaggers, libertarians, constitutionalists, independents, anarcho-capitalists, etc.)

3/25/2010 10:28:38 AM

I think you're giving too much credit to the Constitution being a touchstone for a lot of these people. I'm not arguing this is some sort of neo-Jeffersonian revolution. People were perfectly content for the Constitution to be largely ignored so long as they were making money, had food on the table and had a reasonable expectation that their children had a bright future.


Once those things evaporated* and the perpetrators of said evaporation were seen to benefit from the bailout people started reacting. The "tea party" movement does not have to be a rightist movement. If the same string of events were occurring under GOP leadership and the left felt disenfranchised we could rationally expect the same reaction with a slightly different script (bankers and corporations would be the boogey-man instead of the government) and the 20% or so in the middle would aren't generally feel politically active but feel cut out would gravitate towards that movement. Undoubtedly many in TSB who are ridiculing the "tea baggers" would be getting ridiculed by those on the right who were praising the GOPs deft handling of the "fill in the blank" crisis.


What makes this one different is nothing more than that magnitude and duration of the economic downturn. Constitutionalists are few and far between when the economy is riding high but feeling like one is not represented in one's own country becomes more acute when you're faced with financial ruin.





* For the purpose of my posts, I'm writing based on the perception of movements, not the reality (which can be hard to pin down anyway.)

3/25/2010 10:38:09 AM

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"right, because the standards of name calling and debate on online message boards is the same as how you address an elected official "

Isn't there a video of Barney Frank referring to the "teabaggers?" Maxine Waters did the same thing.

These people spend their time and money to go to protests, and in return they are smeared by the newsmedia, the politicians, and the rest of the left. So no, I don't consider it the end of the world when a few of them respond in kind.

3/25/2010 10:40:12 AM

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"The "tea party" movement does not have to be a rightist movement. ..... (bankers and corporations would be the boogey-man instead of the government"

Yeah, the Constitution may not be what connects us, but instead perhaps our opposition to any unchecked centralization of power, public or private. We distrust and oppose the boogey-man corporations as much as the boogey-man government. It's hard to determine an adequate label for this majority, but you're right -- the teabaggers are just a small (and often annoying or bigoted,) part of it.


[Edited on March 25, 2010 at 10:53 AM. Reason : ]

3/25/2010 10:51:40 AM

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"We distrust and oppose the boogey-man corporations as much as the boogey-man government."

I'd say that is a pretty accurate assessment of a flexible majority of Americans.

3/25/2010 11:03:11 AM

^Unfortunately not. I understand that humans will always act in their own self-interests. There are very few exceptions. With corporations, that means they'll do whatever it takes to make a profit, even if it hurts someone or the environment. That's a failure of government. With the government, politicians and bureaucrats will do whatever is necessary to continue their career, which means blatantly pandering to the current will of the majority. That's a failure of the people, and a failure of elected officials over the past centuries to adhere to the constitution.

There are many people, on all sides of the political spectrum, that don't understand the ways in which corporations and the government are in bed. It's the "anti-corporation, pro-government" stance that you see so often. For some reason, people have this unwavering faith that government will, at some point, do the right thing - at least when their party is in power. All we have to do is look at Republican and Democrat controlled administrations/congress in the past 10 years to see that they can only continue making the same mistakes.

There has to be a third way that emphasizes legitimate budgets, reasonable foreign policy (not isolationism, but non-interventionism), and individual liberty. I think the progressives can easily be allies, but sadly I think they're not going to understand the true magnitude of our economic situation until it's too late. I know Obama says he's going to get "serious" about the debt and deficits, and I hope that's true, but we all know what would be necessary to begin running budget surpluses again, and it doesn't seem all that likely.

3/25/2010 11:31:30 AM

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"Honestly I'm failing to see how this is ultimately a bad thing for the nation. Both the GOP and the DNC need to implode on themselves Neither are doing any good for the country as a whole, and anything that occurs to drive people away from the big parties (and hopefully put them off part associations in the first place) is clearly a good thing in the long run."

But nothing is really driving people away from the Democrats. I'm not going to get into a debate over the usefulness of either party. The Tea Party, to me, originally had more people from across the political spectrum, but it appears that it continues to go further to right, and that's not good for the organization. Having an extreme right wing organization does nothing but split up the GOP and weaken their numbers. I can't help but think that it will be similar to the Bull Moose Party. Certainly both organizations aren't the same, but I think the effect the Tea Party will have on the GOP will be the same, especially if they become an actual political party that runs candidates against the GOP.

3/25/2010 11:39:44 AM

^^

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"and individual liberty"

i actually consider your general stance fairly rational, until you harp on your desires for individual liberty. you even mentioned earlier in that post that people will always gravitate toward acts of self-interest, which in my view conflicts with the non-compromising attitude you generally display toward "individual liberty."

i simply cannot get on board with a political philosophy that triumphs individual liberty over social issues. i suppose that's just where we don't see eye to eye

[Edited on March 25, 2010 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2010 3:28:47 PM

^^There's a lot of ways it can play out. That's just one way.

If the GOP chose to distance themselves from the Tea Partiers, and move towards the center, they will lose Tea Partier votes and gain votes from moderate Democrats. Thus, the GOP loses and gains votes, while the DNC merely loses votes (assuming the shunned Tea Partiers vote for neither of the big parties).

3/25/2010 4:41:18 PM

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"Kris has been throwing around faggot left and right. He's a liberal though, so obviously it's not meant to be offensive and we can disregard it, right?"

Fuck you faggot. The internets is srs bsns, and in the IRL you don't act the same way you would on the tubes.

Quote :

"the majority comprised of citizens that are mother-fucking fed up with the government doing whatever they want despite the constitution... i.e. teabaggers, libertarians, constitutionalists, independents, anarcho-capitalists, etc."

If fags like that were in the majority, wouldn't Ron Paul have won?

3/25/2010 5:51:43 PM

So now the GOP talking point is that the violence being perpetrated by angry Teabaggers is all a hoax by the left and is a complete fabrication. Wow. . .

Beck, this morning, was saying that Democratic leaders were parading through the crowds before the vote in order to provoke a violent response but didn't get it because the Teabaggers are decent and God-fearing folks so in response the Dems made up these stories to gain sympathy.
Now, had the GOP done something similar by parading in front of liberal protesters you know all damn good and well that the message from the wingnuts, Faux News, etc. would be "See that liberals! We aren't scared of you! In your face! Look how strong our leaders are!!1". Pathetic.

3/25/2010 6:22:04 PM

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"you can talk all day about proof but the fact is i dont think anyone would be surprised if it were true,"

so in other words, there is no proof, but you are gonna believe it because you want to believe it. got it.


and, hahaha. someone complained about Kris always calling people faggots, so what does Kris do? he calls that guy a faggot. lol

3/25/2010 8:17:47 PM

you're a faggot too

faggot

3/25/2010 8:34:21 PM

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"So now the GOP talking point is that the violence being perpetrated by angry Teabaggers is all a hoax by the left and is a complete fabrication. Wow. . . Beck, this morning, was saying..."

I swear, sometimes I get the impression that the biggest listener group for Rush / Beck et al are liberals/democrats waiting for them to say stupid shit so they can get outraged.

3/25/2010 10:59:48 PM

^ maybe

but when the GOP politicians start adopting that rhetoric, something is wrong.

3/25/2010 11:01:20 PM