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"you people and your strawman arguments."

I love it when people think they're clever by bringing up the type of argument someone is using against them

5/23/2010 12:31:13 PM

to each their own

5/23/2010 12:31:39 PM

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"if you hit someone's kid would still keep on driving? cuz i sure as hell would take that out on the person who hit my kid too..."

that's exactly why I wouldn't stop and try to find the owner.

There are a lot of crazies out there. And the type of irresponsible and ego-centric owner who allows their dog to run off-leash is a lot more likely to be a "crazy" than otherwise.

That being said, I have stopped multiple times when I saw a collared dog running around loose and called the owner to return said dog. But if I were to ever hit one? hell no. Like I said, no good can come from it. Only injury.

5/23/2010 12:31:57 PM

^^^not trying to be clever, just pointing out that she is trying to apply her arguments to a completely different situation.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM. Reason : ]

5/23/2010 12:32:25 PM

what a little pussy.

5/23/2010 12:32:42 PM

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"^^^not trying to be clever, just pointing out that she is trying to apply her arguments to a completely different situation."

I wasn't necessarily using your quotation as an example in this case

sorry I just felt like being a bitch

5/23/2010 12:35:34 PM

5/23/2010 12:35:35 PM

I've hit a cat before and didn't stop.

But I was in the middle of a neighborhood, I'm not going to start knocking on a half dozen doors and tell people I might have hit their cat.

5/23/2010 12:37:40 PM

outdoor cats are a scourge anyway.

5/23/2010 12:38:30 PM

if someones kid ran into the road i would just hit it and then casually slow down as to not get rear ended

5/23/2010 12:42:18 PM

You know what - fuck that shit. No chance in hell I am stopping, getting out of my car and trying to find the owner by going house to house. Its the owners responsibility to take care of their dumb ass pet.

5/23/2010 12:43:00 PM

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"I've hit a cat before and didn't stop. "

what if it had a collar? what if it was still alive?

damn, people.

i can't even read this thread. makes me sick to my stomach.

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"There are a lot of crazies out there. And the type of irresponsible and ego-centric owner who allows their dog to run off-leash is a lot more likely to be a "crazy" than otherwise. "

whatever it takes to help you sleep at night. dogs get off leashes for other reasons than ego-centric owners letting them do so. but whatever. i guess you've probably already thought about that. obviously someone is going to be upset if you hit their fucking pet but jesus, how could you NOT try to find the owner. i just don't get the type of person that could do this. if i was an owner that had a pet hit by a car, it would make it a lot better if someone apologized or at least stopped to make sure they killed the goddamn thing and it wasn't just in the road suffering.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 12:49 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2010 12:45:54 PM

You do understand we are talking about animals, not people.

Sick to your stomach, for real?

5/23/2010 12:48:39 PM

The only good reason to stop is if hitting the dog has done damage to your car, this way you can notify the police to come write up a report so that the owner can pay you for the damages done to your car

5/23/2010 12:49:44 PM

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"Sick to your stomach, for real? "

yes, troll. but since you are a troll i'm not going to take the time to explain why to you - as i'm sure you already know in that thick, fucking ugly troll head of yours.

5/23/2010 12:50:37 PM

Sometimes pets get out. It happens.

However, I really see no excuse for hitting someone's pet if you're driving through a neighborhood. If you're going to fast to slow down for an animal that is crossing the street you're going too fast for a neighborhood.

If you hit a pet in the crosswalk you were failing to register that there was a cross walk there to begin with. You weren't looking for people crossing the road.

I had a friend who's pet got hit by a car WHILE SHE WAS WALKING THE DOG on the leash. The driver didn't stop.

There are shitty people out there. I know I would feel horrible if I hit someone's pet. If I did I would get out and look for a collar and call and tell them what happened. I know what it's like to be the owner who has had pets hit.
At first I'm mad. But you know, I'm a resonable person, I can understand there are situations in which hitting an animal with your car is unavoidable.
I think the biggest thing is someone taking responsiblity and saying "hey I hit your dog, I'm really sorry that I did it" and really be sorry that you hit their dog says a lot.

5/23/2010 12:51:08 PM

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"The only good reason to stop is if hitting the dog has done damage to your car, this way you can notify the police to come write up a report so that the owner can pay you for the damages done to your car"

Win

5/23/2010 12:52:38 PM

yea that is the thing that makes me feel sick is that there are so many people who are morally fine not taking responsibility for something and not having the balls to say "i'm sorry"

real manly here, men.

5/23/2010 12:53:01 PM

Yeah, there is a lot of meaning behind saying that you are sorry, and really meaning that you are sorry.
It's not going to take back the act, but just the fact that you admited that what you did hurt someone else and you're not okay with hurting someone else then I think it shows character.

5/23/2010 12:54:46 PM

oh, well I wasn't thinking about a neighborhood, I was thinking about a country road or something.

I don't think it would be possible to hit a pet if you were driving through a neighborhood (unless you drive like TheDuke866).

Exactly how does it help the dog if you stop the car after hitting him? It doesn't. It makes the owner feel better, that's all. Well, sorry to say, but I don't give a flip about the owner's feelings if they're the type of irresponsible person that would deliberately or accidentally allow their dog off leash.

5/23/2010 12:58:01 PM

What would I say? I'm sorry your cat was such an idiot and jumped out in front of my car?

I mean I'm sympathetic for them, I've had 2 dogs killed by cars and I really loved those dogs. But 95% of the time it's not the driver's fault at all.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 12:59 PM. Reason : and LOL no sawahash, the cat was not using a crosswalk]

5/23/2010 12:58:19 PM

andi don't buy the "its just an animal not a person" argument

if you can't even stop when you hit an animal BULLSHIT that you would stop if it was a little kid, who if you're flying through a neighborhood fast enough to hit an animal, you are probably even more likely to hit cause kids dart out into the road in neighborhoods all the time

and if you can't stop for a dog cause you're scared of how pissed the owners would be are you gonna stop for a kid? probbbbbbbably gonna be pretty pissed then. and you're probably going to get charged with something too. so if you're the hit and run kind of person, you should probably be hit and run across the board. it will pan out better for you in the end.

^ why not? why not make sure it was at least dead and not suffering?

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"or accidentally allow their dog off leash."

i don't get this. accidents happen. my dog broke through her collar the other day. luckily in a fenced in area but still. what if that had happened while i was walking on the street? she's a puppy and skittish and she could have run into the road. i know its not smart on her part but i'm also aware that dogs aren't exactly operating on the same intelligence level as humans. i mean i wasn't expecting her collar to break?! its an accident. accidents happen. i just don't get how you can possibly morally justify it so whatever. probably the same type of people that hit a parked car and drive away without leaving a note. its fine, just not really my type of person.


[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:02 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2010 12:59:11 PM

If I hit a kid, I would stop because society will go to heroic lengths in order to save the life of a child.

Let me know when they start medivaccing kittens off the side of the road to duke hospital and then I will acknowledge that some benefit could come from stopping.

5/23/2010 1:01:42 PM

hitting a 10 lb dog darting out in front of your car is a hell of a lot easier to do, and a hell of a lot harder to notice than hitting a human being capable of walking into the road.

5/23/2010 1:02:37 PM

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"I don't think it would be possible to hit a pet if you were driving through a neighborhood (unless you drive like TheDuke866). "

It happens.

If you hit a pet in a neighborhood then you're seriously need to look at your driving habits. Neighborhoods are places that kids are out playing. Families are congregating. A ball goes rolling out in the middle of the road. Kids are on bikes. And dogs and cats are off a leash. When you drive through a neighborhood you should be on the lookout constantly.

5/23/2010 1:02:48 PM

ok you say you'd stop thats fine. do you not care if a cat is suffering in the road cause you hit it and didn't kill it?

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"hitting a 10 lb dog darting out in front of your car is a hell of a lot easier to do, and a hell of a lot harder to notice than hitting a human being capable of walking into the road. "

i guess you don't hang out with small children much? because its pretty easy for a fucking 30lb 4 year old - thats the same size as a small dog - to run out into the road. 10lb dogs are easy to hit yea, but fucking BIG DOGS get hit all the time. dogs that weigh as much as humans soooo. the weight argument isn't really flying. and i don't believe you should be going fast enough to kill anything except for a bunny or squirrel in a neighborhood. i hit a squirrel once. i ran back over it just to make sure it was dead.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:04 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2010 1:02:59 PM

Also ignoring the obvious fact that a child is more valuable than an animal, you're legally required to stop when you hit a child, whether it was your fault or not.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:05 PM. Reason : ^ Would you stop if you hit a possum? If not this "suffering" talk is hypocritical]

5/23/2010 1:04:37 PM

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"and LOL no sawahash, the cat was not using a crosswalk"

My cat wasn't, but my dog was in the crosswalk. He had walked that route so much with us and we used the crosswalk that he had the habit of using the crosswalk. Unfortunately he's was a beagle and was busy smelling something and not realizing that an escalde will go right over him.

I mean I'm just saying that anytime I see a sign for a crosswalk I am on the looking out for people crossing the road, and because of that I would also notice if there was an animal in danger of running out in front of me.

5/23/2010 1:05:24 PM

^^ not ignoring the fact. that's kinda my point. unless there is a law requiring you to do something you feel no sense of duty to do it?

just interesting thats all.

and more valuable to WHOM? society at large? the parents? YOU? i mean how do you know some dog isn't the only reason some little old lady makes it through everyday? i don't really like the value argument either. just because it is human it is automatically more valuable?

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2010 1:05:49 PM

this all boils down to a very simple risk/reward analysis:

Stop after Hitting a Cat:
Risk: Getting injured by a crazy owner
Reward: none


Stop after Hitting a Child:
Risk: Getting injured by a crazy parent
Risk: Getting charged with some type of manslaughter
Reward: You might have a chance of saving the life of a child

This is a clear cut situation. No matter the risk to your personal health/freedom, the chance of saving the child's life clearly outweighs any risk.

5/23/2010 1:06:13 PM

so because there's no personal reward to YOU that is why you don't stop.

well at least you admit its all based on selfishness.

5/23/2010 1:08:25 PM

yes you're right, it is very selfish of me to accept possible prison and personal injury to have the chance of saving a child's life.

5/23/2010 1:09:38 PM

and if we're going to use the value argument and heroic efforts for saving a human's life, shouldn't we be substituting in homeless crackhead for kid. then are you stopping?

5/23/2010 1:10:43 PM

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"and more valuable to WHOM? society at large? the parents? YOU? i mean how do you know some dog isn't the only reason some little old lady makes it through everyday? i don't really like the value argument either. just because it is human it is automatically more valuable??"

Yes, just because it is human it is automatically more valuable. I can't believe you're asking this question. I'm sure there are some crazy old people who would think their pets are more valuable than a child, but frankly those opinions don't count.

5/23/2010 1:10:56 PM

^^ yes absolutely. human life is sacred.


the very idea that you think a crackhead's life is less sacred than a child's is much more disgusting than someone who doesn't call up an irresponsible cat owner to tell them their cat died.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:12 PM. Reason : s]

5/23/2010 1:11:05 PM

If you do knock on the door trying to notify the owner you better hope and pray that they aren't a gun owner that is hopped up on Jim Beam and meth

5/23/2010 1:12:02 PM

i agree. but i also stop for animals because it is the right thing to do. i could NEVER hit someone's pet and walk away without at least TRYING to do something.

i guess its awesome that you can justify it in your mind because its definitely less of a burden when you hit an animal.

5/23/2010 1:12:40 PM

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"If you do knock on the door trying to notify the owner you better hope and pray that they aren't a gun owner that is hopped up on Jim Beam and meth"

exactly. you darwin award candidates are making the mistake of assuming that everyone else out there is like you.

5/23/2010 1:13:47 PM

i wouldn't do it by myself if it was some back ass country road. if it was in my neighborhood i would. and if i hit a dog on the highway i'd probably just stop and try to find its collar. mail it back. there are other ways. besides being an idiot and knocking on the door in some rural area.

geeeez. do a little thinking and you can figure that out. but thanks for calling me stupid just because i don't agree with you. when all else fails insulting someone's intelligence is ALWAYS the way to go.

AND i'd at least call the approp municipality to come scrape that shit off the road. if we are really concerned with what is valuable for society - lets not leave a dead animal carcass in the road for weeks.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2010 1:16:20 PM

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"i wouldn't do it by myself if it was some back ass country road"

for fuck's sake you hypocritical bitch

5/23/2010 1:16:54 PM

why is that hypocritical? i never said i would go alone and knock on someone's door. obviously i'm going to see if it is safe first. and i meant i'd try to find SOMEONE ELSE to go with me - or find a collar and send a note. not just leave. its not really hypocritical at all. i'd TRY to do SOMETHING. not just keep driving. get it?

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2010 1:20:11 PM

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"why is that hypocritical? i never said i would go alone and knock on someone's door. obviously i'm going to see if it is safe first. and i meant i'd try to find SOMEONE ELSE to go with me - or find a collar and send a note. not just leave. its not really hypocritical at all."

whatever it takes to help you sleep at night. i just don't get the type of person that could do this. the thing that makes me feel sick is that there are so many people who are morally fine not taking responsibility for something. i just don't get how you can possibly morally justify it so whatever. i guess its awesome that you can justify it in your mind because its definitely less of a burden when you hit an animal.

5/23/2010 1:24:07 PM

k

whatever dude.

5/23/2010 1:25:26 PM

we all justify what we do. the truth is, you wouldn't put yourself into danger any more than any of the rest of us, so you can stfu over how much better you are.

5/23/2010 1:26:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epzXCb3EalI

5/23/2010 1:27:16 PM

^^ god you must have really good vision to read all that in between the lines. man.

when did danger ever come into play? i just said i'd stop. not my fault you made up some other shit in your head. did i say i'd drag the dog's carcass from door to door in some meth head infested trailer park? if you could magnify that for me - maybe do a little bold type too, that'd be fantastic. my pea size brain needs a little help, you know.

[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2010 1:28:47 PM

I don't know, then why wouldn't you stop and tell the owner if it was some back ass country road?

5/23/2010 1:32:59 PM

a little small dog, probably felt like a speed bump.....the person probably didnt even know until they got up today and saw the dog....

it was probably 2am......who the hell wants to get out of their car at the time of day to try to find the owner? In these days and times, that would get you shot....especially being in hickville....



[Edited on May 23, 2010 at 1:36 PM. Reason : w]

5/23/2010 1:33:18 PM

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" it was probably 2am......who the hell wants to get out of their car at the time of day to try to find the owner? In these days and times, that would get you shot....especially being in hickville.... "

well apparently khcadwal wants the rest of us to do that... but she doesn't have to because she's special and knows what a holy person she herself is.

5/23/2010 1:38:58 PM

set em up

5/23/2010 1:50:57 PM