5/27/2010 2:07:58 PM

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"siamese dream is the only album of theirs i own(ed) and listened to from start to finish...like you said its preference though...and I think some of it is generational / age-related...what you say is a very insightful and well done album based on the lyrics might not resonate with me if i'm older and have already gotten that insight from other bands previously...in that case, smashing pumpkins isn't telling me anything new, since i've already heard it from other bands...if that makes any sense"

i get what you're saying, but writing it off just because you've heard similar things from other bands doesn't make a lot of sense to me. i didn't get into that album until i was in college, so by then i had already heard similar messages too. "soma" is basically a break up song, but it's written from the perspective of both sides of the relationship, so even though break up songs had been done a hundred times before, corgan manages to keep it fresh just by the nature of the song itself. that, and he throws in one of the best guitar solos ever. it's the same way with "today." typical "my life sucks" song, but it's still different because the tone of the song is the exact opposite of what it should be.

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 2:08:52 PM

tool isn't/wasn't "grunge"

5/27/2010 2:08:54 PM

^ also true.

5/27/2010 2:14:57 PM

nice fucking sweater billy

5/27/2010 2:22:09 PM

^^^i don't think anyone said they were

5/27/2010 2:31:55 PM

As a huge fan of the SP, I have no problem admitting Corgan is a douche.

But Gish, Siamese Dream, and Mellon Collie are complete gold. I like a ton of other stuff from them as well but I can never get enough of those 3.

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"i just dont get how a band like Smashing Pumpkins gets so much acclaim nowadays, when in their own day, they were an afterthought to bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Tool, etc"

Not sure how someone could consider the pumpkins an "afterthought" to the other bands mentioned.

First 3 true studio full length albums by the following bands including date and copies recognized via US Billboard / Soundscan that I could find quick via wikipedia:

Nirvana (15 million subtotal)
Bleach (1989) 1 million
Nevermind (1991) 10 million
In Utero (1993) 4 million

Smashing Pumpkins (15 million subtotal)
Gish (1991) 1 million
Siamese Dream (1994) 5 million
Mellon Collie... (1995) 9 million

Alice in Chains (8 million subtotal)
Facelift (1990) 2 million
Dirt (1992) 4 million
S/T (1995) 2 million

Tool (7 million subtotal)
Undertow (1993) 2 million
AEnima (1996) 3 million
Lateralus (2001) 2 million


Now, I can understand that not everyone is going to like them or every other band you were comparing them to. But they were right in the thick of it if you look at the dates, and if you are basing it on albums sold (which I couldn't care less about but I only bring them up since you regarded them as an "afterthought") I don't know how someone could say they were an afterthought.

I mean, I own and love multiple albums by every band you listed, but I'd take SP's first 3 over any other off the list. /shrug

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 2:36 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 2:34:38 PM

They were an afterthought to me, in the 1990s, when I was listening to pretty much all the other bands I listed, yet didn't care much for Smashing Pumpkins

Let me ask something else...what did yall think of the band Live...cause I fucking HATED them

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 2:37 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 2:36:25 PM

I listened to "Throwing Copper" some because my dad owned it, but I never really got into them.

5/27/2010 2:39:23 PM

Live was another band that I could never even attempt to get into because of how much they were overplayed on the radio...I swear to god I've heard "Lightning Crashes" and "I Alone" like 500 times on the radio each...nothing to turn you off to a band like getting them forcefed down your ear canals twice an hour, every hour

5/27/2010 2:40:55 PM

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"LIVING FUCK SHIT"

CalledToArms bringing some hardcore facts. if i was tony reali i would have given you 5 points for that.

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 2:48 PM. Reason : tbdv]

5/27/2010 2:45:01 PM

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"Mellon Collie... (1995) 9 million"

To be fair, weren't the releasing new singles from that album for 3 or 4 years?

5/27/2010 3:12:15 PM

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"They were an afterthought to me"

well that's a bit different than what you said before

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"To be fair, weren't the releasing new singles from that album for 3 or 4 years?"

they may have released a single from mellon collie in 1998, but adore (which is pretty underrated in my opinion) also came out that year, so they probably only released singles from MC for 2 years and some change.

5/27/2010 3:18:37 PM

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"To be fair, weren't the releasing new singles from that album for 3 or 4 years?"

Nah. as far as i know (and very little research done quick) the album came out in fall of 1995 and the first single was also out that fall. The other singles off that record were released in 1996. Pretty standard run for a CD release + trailing singles.


They may have released something else after that but as ^ pointed out "Adore" promotion started in like spring 1998, so maybe that is what you remember?

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM. Reason : ]

5/27/2010 3:19:59 PM

nevermind. they all came out in 1996.

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM. Reason : wrong]

5/27/2010 3:21:51 PM

ok reading his twitter

there are some pretty gay lyrics but he is mostly just posting things that most normal people do

political stuff/random day to day stuff/remembering dead people

5/27/2010 3:22:32 PM

^ yeah but he always precedes his lyrics with "BC lyric:"

5/27/2010 3:25:42 PM

is this the most productive conversation in a parody thread ever?

5/27/2010 3:26:09 PM

THREADKILLER

5/27/2010 3:52:16 PM

i saw the pumpkins at the cradle

that probably means i win this thread in terms of being a snooty jackass

5/27/2010 3:56:45 PM

^hahahaaha

5/27/2010 4:01:15 PM

^^ original band members, or billy corgan, jimmy chamberlin and whoever else was filling in?

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 4:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 4:40:52 PM

original

it was kind of weird, jimmy got stung in the eye by a jellyfish so he and d'arcy went home

so billy played for three hours with some help from james

i saw the original lineup in '96

billy/james/d'arcy/kenny aronoff in '98

the cradle show was before machina came out in '00

billy/james/jimmy/MAdM in '00

and that bullshit at the orange peel

5/27/2010 4:53:45 PM

i forgot they kicked jimmy out for a while in 97 or 98 or whatever

5/27/2010 4:56:23 PM

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"bullshit at the orange peel "

that was the best concert of my life

5/27/2010 5:28:58 PM

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"i saw the original lineup in '96"

i saw them in '94

so i win

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 5:31 PM. Reason : v depends if the show in El Paso was before the Palooza stop in Charlotte]

5/27/2010 5:30:30 PM

I saw the Smashing Pumpkins in 1994 in El Paso. Can I be an uber snooty jackass?


1994-06-30 County Coliseum El Paso, TX, US

1994-08-11 Blockbuster Amphitheater Charlotte, NC, US Setlist


I win

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 5:31:03 PM

i, too, saw them in 94

5/27/2010 5:35:10 PM

^^FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER

ok heres a question...when you bought your tickets, was Nirvana still the headliner, or was it SP

5/27/2010 5:35:51 PM

i bought my lollapalooza tickets after they found kurt dead

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 5:36 PM. Reason : s]

5/27/2010 5:36:24 PM

I dont remember. I would assume after. I didn't know Nirvana was supposed to tour with them. They were the headliner and I can't remember who opened for them. Kurt was dead for 2 months by that point. I'm pretty sure we got our tickets a few days before the show. Dude.. that was 16 years ago.

5/27/2010 5:38:25 PM

I just remember one of the main reasons I wanted to go that year was because Nirvana was the headliner

But Green Day, L7, George Clinton and A Tribe Called Quest all put on good performances

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds? Not a fan

5/27/2010 5:40:12 PM

you guys sound older than me

of course i did absolutely nothing interesting in HS

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 5:41 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 5:40:42 PM

we probably are older than you

or not, if you were in highschool in 94...I think I was in 8th grade or something...I'm 30 now

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 5:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2010 5:41:02 PM

I didnt see them at lollapalooza, they were doing their own tour. Off topic but I did go to the first lollapalooza in '91 at Walnut Creek.

5/27/2010 5:42:27 PM

oh well that explains it...Nirvana was the headliner in 94, but they cancelled a day before Cobain killed himself (or at least before they publicly announced his death), and SP became the new headliner

5/27/2010 5:43:09 PM

as much as i'd like to have lollapalooza cred

there's no way my parents would let me go to lollapalooza at 10

5/27/2010 5:44:40 PM

mellon collie is the only album i ever liked. there were 10 amazing songs between the two cds and the rest was solid at best.

5/27/2010 6:08:28 PM

Does anybody remember that super awesome band called Zwan

5/27/2010 6:20:42 PM

i went to lollapalooza in 03

^^ i think the first disc of mellon collie is a lot better than the second. there were a lot of songs i think should have been left off

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 6:21 PM. Reason : ^]

5/27/2010 6:21:28 PM

Dont make me bust out some Teenage Fanclub and Mudhoney on yous asses

5/27/2010 8:08:26 PM

please dont

5/27/2010 8:08:57 PM

only if you throw in a pair of EPs by camper van beethoven

5/27/2010 8:11:18 PM

As long as Where the Hell is Bill is played

5/27/2010 8:11:58 PM

thats it! get ready for a big fucking dose of Toad the Wet Sprocket and Gin Blossoms

5/27/2010 8:14:49 PM

buffalo tom plz

5/27/2010 8:15:12 PM

Im down for some early Toad but no thanks to the Gin Blossoms.

5/27/2010 8:15:27 PM

I dont really like the Gin Blossoms, but just a LOT of memories tied to that album (first love listened to them ALL the time) so its one of the more meaningful albums out there.. dammit

5/27/2010 8:29:20 PM

oh and just for you vinylbandit I saw Camper Van Beethoven open up for the 10,000 Maniacs for the Blind Man's Zoo tour

[Edited on May 27, 2010 at 8:35 PM. Reason : s]

5/27/2010 8:33:24 PM

congrats on being the world's biggest idiot if you don't listen to the smashing pumpkins

6/28/2010 11:59:45 PM