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6/3/2010 11:53:22 PM

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6/3/2010 11:53:27 PM

as tragic as this story has been, there have been many spills that have been just as bad, if not worse than this one, that have not come to the western world's attention because they are in poorer countries.

ExxonMobil in Nigeria this past year for example (also doesnt help that dumbass rebels blew up a shell pipeline)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/30/oil-spills-nigeria-niger-delta-shell

6/3/2010 11:53:53 PM

double

[Edited on June 3, 2010 at 11:54 PM. Reason : whoops]

6/3/2010 11:54:20 PM

If this shit doesn't give us a kick in the ass to move off of fossil fuels, I'm not sure what will.

6/3/2010 11:56:31 PM

That's pretty fucked up. I had no idea that spill happened in nigerplz.

What an awesome way to kill our fucking planet with a quickness.

6/3/2010 11:57:55 PM

^^ it won't, you know. we're a nation of quick fixes. moving off of fossil fuels will be a monumental undertaking, and there's no political will to try, even when faced with bald environmental disaster.

[Edited on June 3, 2010 at 11:58 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2010 11:58:31 PM

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"as tragic as this story has been, there have been many spills that have been just as bad, if not worse than this one"

is this statement based on volume alone orrrrrrrrrr...??? serious question. def not trying to be bitchy.

6/3/2010 11:59:14 PM

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"The worst case scenario is that the leak never stops."

Well that would debunk the whole un-renewable resource theory. Then harvesting oil would be cheap, shit's just floatin on the ocean


^Yeah, he's talkin about volume. The exxon spill doesn't even crack the top ten.

http://envirowonk.com/content/view/68/1/

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 12:04 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2010 12:02:26 AM

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"I hope BP goes bankrupt over this."

That's a messed up thing to hope for. Even if they did, so what?

Active Golf coast rigs:


[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 12:04 AM. Reason : -]

6/4/2010 12:03:26 AM

sigh

6/4/2010 12:05:15 AM

^^ BP has an atrocious safety record. Add that to the worst oil spill in the history of the country, probably irreparable harm to the economies of the area affected. Should they go bankrupt? Possibly yes.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2010 12:05:35 AM

^

6/4/2010 12:10:40 AM

Going bankrupt is only a small function of those things you listed. The major part of going bankrupt is running out of money. Unless all their oil production ceased for some time, they will not go bankrupt. They can still sell their crude to someone willing to buy it, whether it is the US or not.

6/4/2010 12:10:53 AM

let them be sued into oblivion. since americans are so litigious and all, thanks for reminding us tony hayward.

6/4/2010 12:11:59 AM

if everyone on the planet boycotted BP, they would just sell their gasoline to Exxon and the other companies. they will continue to profit until demand for oil goes down

6/4/2010 12:12:19 AM

maybe i shall move to louisiana and find me a job

6/4/2010 12:13:16 AM

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"let them be sued into oblivion. "

Perfect. Now the lawyers win and everyone loses.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM. Reason : spelling, thanks]

6/4/2010 12:14:00 AM

because all law suits are wrong! its "loses" btw

loose is like a noose that isn't tight enough.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2010 12:14:24 AM

^^ fine with me. the only people that should be without money now is BP.

6/4/2010 12:15:16 AM

What about Transocean?

6/4/2010 12:17:38 AM

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"BP has an atrocious safety record. Add that to the worst oil spill in the history of the country, probably irreparable harm to the economies of the area affected."

I dunno about irreparable harm....the environment is more resilient than most of these tree huggers we have running around want to give it credit for.

I do agree that even if they stopped the flow today the economies of Louisiana and Mississippi are gonna be fucked. Mostly b/c of all the bad publicity unfortunately. I saw an article the other day saying they'd already had something like a 30-40% cancellation rate on hotels and such even in areas that hadn't seen a drop of oil. But its not like those states have booming economies. If this shit starts creeping down Florida's coast towards Miami then we can start talking about major economic impact.

6/4/2010 12:19:04 AM

I said economies, not environment. There are people who are watching their livelihoods disappear right now.

6/4/2010 12:19:59 AM

i keep seeing that it's the worst oil spill in US history ... but really has there been one worse anywhere else in the world? i dont remember hearing about an oil spill that kept going and going with an open faucet

6/4/2010 12:20:34 AM

Gulf War

6/4/2010 12:23:23 AM

i registered as a volunteer to help with the recovery and whatnot of wildlife impacted by the oil in louisiana. i'm there for work all the time (in fact, im there now) and this whole thing is absolutely depressing.

all my charity spending is going toward this cause for the next several years. it hits close to home for me

as for BP going bankrupt. i wish they would truly have to pay for what they've done. the fact of the matter is, their liability is limited by a federal law related to oil spills. the "spill" is potentially being investigated as a criminal act, which is a start i guess.

what worries me as much as the spill is hurricane season with all that fucking oil milling about...

and optimum is right about their safety record. its so outrageous its almost comical how they got away with it.

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"But its not like those states have booming economies"

actually you have no idea what you're talking about. louisiana has a tremendous economy and withstood the downturn better than most states. they have everything for example: mining (salt), agriculture (sugar, cotton, rice, etc), logging, marine (shrimping, sport fishing, hunting, boating), MASSIVE natural gas production in the northern part of the state & as you can see from the map, a shit ton of drilling platforms in the ocean. while the state doesn't own those, it stimulates the economy with jobs like divers, helicopter operators, mechanics, etc etc etc. oh yeah, dont forget this part of the country is teeming with refineries for all that fancy oil we use.

seriously, the economy might not be like hollywood, new york city or miami beach but to say its not like they have one, is completely ignorant.

oh yeah, check this out too http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/ -- it lays the estimated size of the oil onto a map location of your choosing

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 12:28 AM. Reason : link dink]

6/4/2010 12:24:23 AM

^^^^ you did, but I was inferring beyond that. Most of the economic affect is tourism and fishing....the fish will return b/c the environment is resilient. Tourism may actually take longer to recover b/c of the publicity fallout but it would recover.

Some people may have to change careers, but that happens all the time for many reasons.

^^^ You might try clicking on the link up the page a bit. This one probably isn't even into the top 20 yet. During the gulf war the Iraqi's had the great idea of popping open a bunch of wells as they left Kuwait and dumped a shit ton of oil into the ocean. And by shit ton I mean 520 times more than the Valdez spill.

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 12:27 AM. Reason : .]

6/4/2010 12:24:56 AM

i thought it could take like YEARS and decades even for the fishing environment and thus economy to recover.

6/4/2010 12:26:58 AM

6/4/2010 12:27:14 AM

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"actually you have no idea what you're talking about. louisiana has a tremendous economy and withstood the downturn better than most states. they have everything for example: mining (salt), agriculture (sugar, cotton, rice, etc), logging, marine (shrimping, sport fishing, hunting, boating), MASSIVE natural gas production in the northern part of the state & as you can see from the map, a shit ton of drilling platforms in the ocean. while the state doesn't own those, it stimulates the economy with jobs like divers, helicopter operators, mechanics, etc etc etc. oh yeah, dont forget this part of the country is teeming with refineries for all that fancy oil we use. seriously, the economy might not be like hollywood, new york city or miami beach but to say its not like they have one, is completely ignorant."

I said its not booming you dumbass, not that they don't have one. I would not describe it as tremendous by any means. And to put things in perspective for you...in 2008 Florida accounted for more than twice the GDP of both Louisiana and Mississippi combined.

6/4/2010 12:40:16 AM

isn't growth also an indicator of a "booming" economy? and unemployment rates?

if so, florida is fuuuuucked. but at least you got disney world.

6/4/2010 1:04:51 AM

^^ Florida also has 18.5 million people, compared to 4.5 million for Louisiana and 3 million for Mississippi. Having more than twice the GDP isn't so meaningful when you also have more than twice the population.


Florida does have a higher GDP per capita than either (Mississippi's is 50th in the nation), but I'm just pointing out that you have to be careful what statistics you cite if you want to sound authoritative. On that matter, to get a better comparison still, you would want to adjust the GDP per capita for cost of living or purchasing power parity, and there, Louisiana might come out ahead of Florida (not sure, haven't seen the numbers).

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 1:34 AM. Reason : ]

6/4/2010 1:27:23 AM

If this shit doesn't give us a kick in the ass to move off of the basic need to move freely, I'm not sure what will.

6/4/2010 1:33:34 AM

I still fill up my tank with BP because my car deserves the best.

6/4/2010 1:35:21 AM

6/4/2010 5:21:17 AM

i still fill up with bp because jessie jackson told me not to

6/4/2010 6:21:09 AM

6/4/2010 7:39:28 AM

also for page 2

6/4/2010 7:51:50 AM

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"So, we're going to single out BP this time? If you want to end oil slicks, you're basically going to have to stop driving. If you aren't willing to do that, then you don't get to criticize BP, since your actions enable them to continue."

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"This thread was a waste of a perfectly good hour."

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"This thread is stupid."

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"No, you're an idiot for posting pictures that aren't news."

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"It's been reported and discussed in other threads, there wasn't a need to create another one."

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM. Reason : this is NOT at all how i feel]

6/4/2010 8:01:01 AM

I hate birds. Fuck 'em

6/4/2010 8:01:31 AM

Thanks Obama

6/4/2010 8:07:28 AM

You go try to fuck an eagle and come back and report.

6/4/2010 8:08:11 AM

First:

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"Nigerian academics"

ahahahahaha

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"So, we're going to single out BP this time? If you want to end oil slicks, you're basically going to have to stop driving. If you aren't willing to do that, then you don't get to criticize BP, since your actions enable them to continue"

Not exactly. BP hired Transocean to do the drilling, both employees of Transocean and BP failed to do their jobs and take action. There were warnings for hours BEFORE the explosing. For that very reason I can see why anyone would single out BP and not buy shit from them.

As far as the article goes claiming that other spills have been worse, I call bullshit on that. That's the Britts lame attempt at damage control.

6/4/2010 8:23:00 AM

He's just trolling me. I wrote that somewhere else, and he's decided to remove the context and post it here.

6/4/2010 8:27:32 AM

I love how they said the worst case scenario would be it not getting capped by Christmas... I would say the worst case scenario is if a hurricane goes over that oil. Then the Gulf will be fucked even more...

6/4/2010 8:30:45 AM

yeah he (optimum) posted those in a thread which was reporting the suicides by many factory workers due to harsh working conditions.

yup, he called that thread stupid, said it wasn't news, and said we shouldn't single out the company whose products they were making!!!

so if i am trolling, he was trolling as well. either that, or he is a heartless monster (but has heart for animals).

6/4/2010 8:33:06 AM

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"If you want to end oil slicks, you're basically going to have to stop driving."

that is true, but there is alot more than just autofuel that oil is used for. the list is too long, but it involves just about every luxury that we use every minute of every day. the computer that you are using to read this thread, would not be possible without oil. medical reasearch is highly dependent on oil. the list goes on and on...

it just isnt something we can stop doing. and if we did we would instantly be thrown back over 100 years with technology, and cooling out homes by swamp coolers, powered by collected mule farts frim indonesia...

6/4/2010 8:33:47 AM

Echoing these sentiments: How many of you, who are posting in this thread bashing a company that drills desperately for the oil that the billions of automobiles consume every day, drove an oil-powered automobile to the place where the computer is that you're posting from right now?

6/4/2010 8:37:30 AM

correction noted:

Quote :

"If you want to end oil slicks, you're basically going to have to stop driving living in society (i.e., kill yourself or live in a cave completely reliant on nature)."

6/4/2010 8:38:51 AM

A map predicting just how far north and how into the Atlantic the oil spill could reach.


Also, poll skew:

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"Should BP face criminal charges over the oil spill?"

http://tiny.cc/sx25l (You best be votin' yes)





[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 8:45 AM. Reason : nobody reads 49......]

6/4/2010 8:41:55 AM