so you could care more?

6/9/2010 4:01:57 PM

lol nvm

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[Edited on June 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM. Reason : ]

6/9/2010 4:02:09 PM

I SAW IT!

6/9/2010 4:03:41 PM

You can get high and laugh if you want, but there are many more people involved in a major religion in the world than not. And an important tenant of virtually all major religions is that before you take a bitch back to your yurt and impregnate her, you have to come before god and the community to ask their approval and for the union to be officially recognized. Or at least before the baby is born anyway.

6/9/2010 4:07:23 PM

^^ i was in the middle of adding on a unless they're from gay babies clause but i decided not to

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6/9/2010 4:07:57 PM

^^

A. I do not "get high"
B. I have been married before. And the man that performed the service specifically asked us if we wanted the word "God" removed from the vows.

Marriage is a legal matter, not a religious one.

[Edited on June 9, 2010 at 4:11 PM. Reason : at least in this country it is]

6/9/2010 4:10:35 PM

gotta get dat tax money

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6/9/2010 4:12:11 PM

For you it was, maybe. And myself as well. But I didn't claim that marriage is a religious institution, whatever that means. I said that the ban of marriage would intrude on freedom to practice religion as one sees fit, as it IS a large part of many peoples' faith. As I have conceeded already, marriage confers obvious legal benefits as well. Clearly it was these benefits you were seeking when you married the would-be mother of your child. So why is marriage abhorrent now?

6/9/2010 4:18:00 PM

the ban on marriage is a legal matter, and has nothing to do with freedom of religion. if it were a religious matter, then you would be required to practice a religion to get married.

6/9/2010 4:19:46 PM

Religious freedom and puritanical values are the very basis for the law of our country, for better or for worse. Drinking wine is not a religious matter, (you certainly don't have to be a member of a faith to enjoy it) but plenty of churches would (like they did before) protest a ban of alcohol consumption because it interferes with one of the most holy of christian rituals, transubstantiation. Similarly a ban on legal marriage would greatly change the nature of one of the pillars of the world's great faiths. Marriage would not have the same implication for them if it did not bond people beyond the law of the church and was simple to extricate yourself from.

People who do not wish to become one legal entity are free to participate in a non
-legally-recognized handfasting or whatever they wish. Obviously a benefit of this is being able to dissolve the relationship at will. But even in cases when the couple chooses to remain together for a certain period of time, even with no commitment, legal or otherwise, the law in many states considers it a common law marriage and in the case of separation equitable division of property, child custody hearings and child support are mandated by law. There no way you can ban marriage when just shacking up for too long leaves you that way in the eyes of justice.


Since the ability to legally marry is vital for religious freedom, and gays haven't been explicitly denied that right, they should be able to marry.

[Edited on June 9, 2010 at 4:47 PM. Reason : f]

6/9/2010 4:45:03 PM

The ability to "legally marry" has nothing to do with religious marriage, which is my point. Plenty of people worldwide get married "under God" without doing so legally. The issue with gay marriage is that being gay isn't socially acceptable. 2 heterosexual Atheists can get married with NO problems, and can reap all the benefits of being a married couple. But yet, 2 gay Christians cannot get married an take advantage of such benefits.

So it comes to this. If 2 gay people truly love each other and consider themselves married, then why do they have the need to make it official? It isn't religion. The only reason is to take advantage of the monetary benefits that come from being married. So, with that, I feel that the whole argument is bullshit to begin with. Kind of like marriage in general.

My girlfriend and I love each other and have no doubt that we will spend the rest of our lives together. So what is the point in making it "legal", other than to collect the monetary benefits that come from being married?

6/9/2010 4:54:27 PM

there are some legal "benefits" other than the monetary ones. power to make medical decisions for your spouse and protection in court of communication between spouses (spousal privilege) are the first that come to mind

6/9/2010 4:59:37 PM

Quote :

"Drinking wine is not a religious matter, (you certainly don't have to be a member of a faith to enjoy it) but plenty of churches would (like they did before) protest a ban of alcohol consumption because it interferes with one of the most holy of christian rituals, transubstantiation."

incorrect, unless by "plenty" you mean the minority of catholic churches

the temperance movement stemmed from ideals that began during the second great awakening, it was a religious movement as was the prohibition. this was by and large an evanglelical law. religion makes laws in this country, and in this instance the mostly protestant lawmakers far outweighed the minority catholics

6/9/2010 5:01:00 PM

agreed, but other than the "benefits", then what is the point?

6/9/2010 5:01:53 PM

you can live with them and bone them and your grandparents dont judge you

6/9/2010 5:02:27 PM

I do not support gay marriage. I am indifferent towards gay unions and equal rights as married couples. but for me marriage has always been for a man and a woman.

6/9/2010 5:03:09 PM

Quote :

"The only reason is to take advantage of the monetary benefits that come from being married."

eh, thats not all of it, i'm sure some do, but im sure plenty of hetero couples do teh same. theres many non-monetary rights that they are denied (visitation, logistics of child rearing, death arrangements, so forth and so on)

^so basically you believe they should have equal rights but call it something else like say...GAYRIAGE

i think thats a silly viewpoint, but it get sthe job done

[Edited on June 9, 2010 at 5:06 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2010 5:05:13 PM

^^ why?

^ and yeah, i meant that to be directed toward hetero marriages as well. I have several female friends who got married only because their boyfriends were in the military and getting ready to be shipped off to war. 3 out of the 4 of them are either divorced already or going through the process.

[Edited on June 9, 2010 at 5:11 PM. Reason : a]

6/9/2010 5:05:35 PM

any system that provides benefits is going to be taken advantage of, sucks but thats more of a reflection of humanity than the system itself

6/9/2010 5:15:58 PM

and I agree totally. just making the point that marriage in this country has nothing to do with religion, unless you want it to

[Edited on June 9, 2010 at 5:17 PM. Reason : a]

6/9/2010 5:16:39 PM

One more benefit of marriage is kinship. You'd be more aware of it if your girlfriend were a to-be heiress or the sibling of your blood enemy.

6/9/2010 5:19:24 PM

6/9/2010 5:23:52 PM

I am for gay marriage.

6/9/2010 5:24:57 PM

I am gay for marriage

6/9/2010 5:48:26 PM

this thread makes me wanna punch a handful of people in the butthole.

those who are opposed to gay marriage, that is.

6/9/2010 5:54:01 PM

^ that might make them change their minds

6/9/2010 5:54:59 PM

I think that gays should be the only ones allowed to get married.

6/9/2010 5:56:42 PM

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6/9/2010 5:56:55 PM

IBT? what does that even meannnnn? is that prison lingo?

6/9/2010 6:00:23 PM