I hate baseball, but I'm not going to try to say it doesn't take skill or is for bad athletes or some shit.

I dislike baseball because it's boring as hell to be a spectator, can sometimes be very boring to play (depending on where you stand on the field), and because the scoring system lacks complexity.

7/11/2010 9:52:21 PM

baseball has its moments that capture the nation's interest

soccer has moments that make golf exciting

7/11/2010 9:52:21 PM

2 pages of fuckin stupid soccer

god i hate soccer

7/11/2010 9:53:13 PM

2 - 0

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 9:53 PM. Reason : ha, posted this shit like 2 minutes ago. damn]

7/11/2010 9:53:29 PM

you dont like baseball because the scoring system lacks complexity? thats one of the strangest arguments I've ever heard

^^two things: 1) why dont you quit posting and/or reading the thread
2) quit talking to yourself, it makes you seem crazy

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 9:54 PM. Reason : adsf]

7/11/2010 9:53:39 PM

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"I dislike baseball because it's boring as hell to be a spectator, can sometimes be very boring to play (depending on where you stand on the field), and because the scoring system lacks complexity."

I don't think anyone will seriously begrudge you for that. No one has to like anything as long they can be objective about it.

Also, we should just count every homerun as 6 like football.

7/11/2010 9:53:56 PM

I hate baseball because the helmets lack facemasks

I love softball though

7/11/2010 9:54:17 PM

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"you dont like baseball because the scoring system lacks complexity? thats one of the strangest arguments I've ever heard"

One of the same reasons I don't like soccer.

And it's a point in the negative column for hockey, though I still like hockey enough to watch it.

On the simplest level, choosing between a lower-risk/less-difficult/lower-scoring move versus a higher-risk/more-difficult/higher-scoring move adds depth to the game, and thus makes it more interesting.

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"Also, we should just count every homerun as 6 like football."

Yeah, but you still don't have an equivalent field goal for 3 or safety for 2. Or extra points.

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 9:58 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2010 9:54:38 PM

18 yard box should be converted to three point line

7/11/2010 9:55:13 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_soccer

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"Multi-point scoring. Some leagues value goals scored from a greater distance to be worth two or three points, similar to basketball. Sometimes, leagues with a multi-point system also use a rule that a minor technical infraction gives the non-offending team a one-on-one opportunity to score on the opposing goalkeeper, worth one point. Many indoor coed leagues will give a female player 2 points for 1 goal that she scored."

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM. Reason : lol, that rule is so sexist...]

7/11/2010 9:56:16 PM

7/11/2010 9:56:16 PM

JT$ doesn't realize the current MLB steroid policy was put into place in 2002

I hate Bonds more than anyone, but what he did wasn't against MLB rules

Which was my point that I think triggered his pic

7/11/2010 9:58:26 PM

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"Many indoor coed leagues will give a female player 2 points for 1 goal that she scored.""

HELL YES.

sign me up for this league.

im scoring 6 points tonight boys

7/11/2010 9:58:28 PM

how many asterisks should be on that list? maybe NYM can tell us.

7/11/2010 9:58:33 PM

if you didnt think he did steroids after 2002 then you didnt think iniesta was diving around today either for spain

7/11/2010 9:59:34 PM

A lot. The fact that people actually know what the old record was (both single season and career) and who held them shows how much people in this country care about them.

I like football. I watch it every Sunday in the fall (and Saturday too). I honestly couldn't tell you who is the all-time leading rusher (is it Emmit Smith now? Didn't he pass Payton?) and I certainly couldn't tell you the yardage within even 1,000 yards...

Also, I can't help but get involved in these baseball arguments. It's my fucking kryptonite. Damn you people.

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:01 PM. Reason : didn't Sean Merriman break a record or something too? or maybe i'm confused.]

7/11/2010 10:00:53 PM

I think he was doing roids in 1992

But he never tested positive for anything in 02 or later and I'm sure MLB had him peeing in ten cups a day

He never broke any rules****

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:01 PM. Reason : ]

7/11/2010 10:01:04 PM

http://forestcityfanatics.blogspot.com/2010/06/ten-reasons-why-soccer-sucks.html

7/11/2010 10:02:14 PM

http://www.tontoandfriends.com/2007/09/9-reasons-why-baseball-sucks.html

7/11/2010 10:02:56 PM

If the past week has taught us anything, Cleveland fans are the least rational people in America

7/11/2010 10:03:00 PM

Tonto and Friends certainly hit the nail on the head with #6.

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"Or a basketball coach wearing baggy shorts, a headband, and a loaded .45 in his waistband? "

lol... and

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"1. I’m good at it – I’m no super athlete, but I can play baseball with the best of them. "

This is about the dumbest thing I have read. If by play with the best of them means you'd drop a deuce at the plate when a 98 mph fastball whizzes by your chin, then ok... you may be on to something.

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:05 PM. Reason : x]

7/11/2010 10:03:52 PM

^hahah that was one of my favs too

7/11/2010 10:05:11 PM

^ definitely my favorite line too

7/11/2010 10:05:19 PM

wakefield and his 98 mph fastballs are intimidating

7/11/2010 10:06:18 PM

Trying to hit a Wakefield knuckleball probably wouldn't cause you to "drop a deuce" but you'd probably pee yourself a little in frustration

7/11/2010 10:07:12 PM

I've played baseball and curled. Have you curled? Who's the ignorant troll?

7/11/2010 10:07:30 PM

You, guth

It's always you

7/11/2010 10:08:08 PM

no, but i took a big shit earlier today, and thats more athletic than curling

7/11/2010 10:08:30 PM

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"9) Injury time I remember in 2002 when someone first explained this concept to me, and eight years later it makes no more sense. The gist of it is as such: a half in soccer is 45 minutes of running clock, but only the official on the field really knows how much time remains in the half/game. The time you see displayed on the scoreboard is an approximation; the real time is that plus some amount of "injury time" that the official adds solely at his discretion. This time is, of course, added to account for the time players spend on the ground faking shin injuries, regarding which I have to wonder: why not just stop the clock if someone's hurt? Does it really make more sense to add semi-arbitrary time to the game instead of just stopping the clock and resuming? No, it does not."

egg-fucking-zachary

7/11/2010 10:08:40 PM

with out reading the thread, say what you want about soccer, but that drop kick to the chest was no joke

7/11/2010 10:09:48 PM

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"If the past week has taught us anything, Cleveland fans are the least rational people in America"

oh look, I found some troll bait

7/11/2010 10:10:24 PM

I think this has been brought up thousands of times over the past month, but anyone who knows soccer at all knows with 99% certainty how much time is left. That last 1% isn't a big deal. If you think there aren't clock errors in every single basketball or football game, you're foolin'.

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:11 PM. Reason : Shouldn't you be washing the feet of Dan Gilbert or something]

7/11/2010 10:10:25 PM

LeBron is the fucking man, i mean look at his rings....

wait....


oh fuck

7/11/2010 10:11:22 PM

Welcome to tww. Where if you like something that the majority of the outspoken users don't like you're a fag.

7/11/2010 10:12:28 PM

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"I honestly couldn't tell you who is the all-time leading rusher (is it Emmit Smith now? Didn't he pass Payton?) and I certainly couldn't tell you the yardage within even 1,000 yards..."

There are a lot more stats that people care about in football than baseball... People don't know the stats because no stat is individually as important.

In baseball, there's only one method to directly score for your team: A homerun.
Sure, you can get the hit that brings a base runner home, but also involved the runner and anyone else who made a hit while he was running bases. Among casual fans and viewers, the homerun is the most important factor in determining how good a hitter is as a player, and it's just about the most interesting/exciting thing that can happen all game.

In football, major scores can come from a pass or a run or a kick.
The pass involves two different people with different stats, the run is heavily block-dependent, and the kick has a lower point value. Any one stat can't tell people how good that player is/how good that player appears to casual fans as a whole, and each one relies on the style of game that any particular team plays. In baseball, as far as I know, you don't have homerun-centric teams and base-by-base teams, each team just tries to get as much of each as they can. (As an aside, this complexity is one of the benefits of a complex scoring system )

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:16 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2010 10:14:50 PM

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"Among casual fans and viewers, the homerun is the most important factor in determining how good a hitter is as a player, and it's just about the most interesting/exciting thing that can happen all game."

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

7/11/2010 10:16:24 PM

^note that I said "to casual fans and viewers". Just look at what people pay attention to when the non-sports media sweeps up on a baseball story. It's homeruns (or how steroids affected homerun records).

Yes, more exciting shit does happen from time to time. Yes, some things are more important. I know this and so do you.

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:19 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2010 10:17:27 PM

No fan, casual or otherwise, above the age of six uses home runs to measure how good of a hitter a player is

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"Any one stat can't tell people how good that player is/how good that player appears to casual fans as a whole"

According to your warped logic, wouldn't that one stat be touchdowns, no matter how they are scored

Also this is mostly wrong and shows you don't know much about your subject

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"In baseball, as far as I know, you don't have homerun-centric teams and base-by-base teams, each team just tries to get as much of each as they can. (As an aside, this complexity is one of the benefits of a complex scoring system )"

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ]

7/11/2010 10:20:40 PM

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"Any one stat can't tell people how good that player is/how good that player appears to casual fans as a whole, and each one relies on the style of game that any particular team plays. "

yes there is, its called a touchdown

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"In baseball, as far as I know, you don't have homerun-centric teams and base-by-base teams, each team just tries to get as much of each as they can."

clearly you dont watch any baseball

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ^aha]

7/11/2010 10:23:36 PM

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"wouldn't that one stat be touchdowns, no matter how they are scored"

Yes, but the variety of ways in which touchdowns are scored makes each individual's touchdown stats less of a hype-able thing.

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"Also this is mostly wrong and shows you don't know much about your subject"

So, there are homerun-centric teams and base-by-base teams? I honestly don't know for sure, but I doubt it. That's why I used the phrase "as far as I know".

Or are you trying to say something else?



Look people, his point was that people in general care about baseball more because everyone knows this one big stat. My counterpoint was that no big stat in football is as singularly important or easily hyped. For fucks sake.

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:26 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2010 10:25:20 PM

Yes, there are teams that rely on home runs for scoring

And there are teams that rely on playing station to station

I don't know why you're equating touchdowns with home runs, other than for some retard public you have imagined into existence

There are a million ways to score a run, there are a million ways to score a touchdown

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:28 PM. Reason : People care about football because they are not very intelligent and are easily entertained]

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM. Reason : You can't make an argument without being a troll, you can't respond without being butthurt]

7/11/2010 10:27:39 PM

it sure looks like baseball fans are the ones getting butthurt up in here...

^ i just call it like i see it. soccer fans are always taking shit for defending soccer. you dish it, but can't take it.

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:32 PM. Reason : k]

7/11/2010 10:29:12 PM

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"I don't know why you're equating touchdowns with home runs"

Actually my point was that they can't be equated. You're the one who brought them up as the "big stat" of football.

7/11/2010 10:29:48 PM

barry bonds got butthurt by the needles

7/11/2010 10:31:08 PM

soccer is the most boring bullshit ever invented

i'd rather watch grass grow

on the field

while all the pussies are limping around crying cause they tripped on themselves

7/11/2010 10:51:02 PM

I think it was surmised and taken as fact decades ago

that people who don't like baseball, or, more directly, think it's BORING

are the very ones who didn't play it past age 10

or just never did

and I'm not slighting soccer, either. clearly, to play soccer at a high level, you have to be more fit than the average baseball player.

but getting into the dynamics of what makes baseball fucking awesome would just mean giving in to the trolls who berate it as boring, with little more than that.

moreover, and ultimately, I'm perfectly fine with loving baseball, and understanding just why it is actually twice as complex (physically and mentally) as just about any other sport. I don't need y'all to like baseball, basically.

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 10:59 PM. Reason : dfasddss]

7/11/2010 10:57:47 PM

i never would have though some people like some sports and dislike others - big shock

it is amusing that the "world series" for baseball is just american teams

[Edited on July 11, 2010 at 11:01 PM. Reason : lol and canada]

7/11/2010 10:59:46 PM

And the Blue Jays!

7/11/2010 11:00:26 PM

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"it is amusing that the "world series" for baseball is just american teams"

eh. good luck altering that tradition.

7/11/2010 11:01:59 PM

i played soccer and baseball well into my teens, baseball is boring as shit. soccer at low levels is boring but world cup caliber play is fast enough to stay really entertaining. even top baseball is boring as shit.

7/11/2010 11:17:42 PM