The Yankees approach is obviously flawless

This is why they have won 30 consecutive World Series

7/14/2010 8:23:36 PM

Do you think people realize that the last time they were consistently excellent was when they actually developed from within and didn't spend wildly? I'm starting to think that no one actually knows that.

I'll be completely honest even though this is an unpopular pinon because it directly contradicts the Golden God that is all pure and holy named the NFL. I think that parity is boring. I think that the Yankees have done such a good job over the year building their brand, coming up with new business ventures/ideas and best exploiting what has always been a pretty fair system that they DESERVE to reap the benefits of that.

And in a way a team like the Twins has exploited the exploiters by acquiring expiring Type A/B contracts to gain additional draft picks, drafting well, locking up their players before the free agency years and trading players before they could walk if the right deal comes along. Like I consistently say, if that team can compete year in and year out by making good decisions and working within the very fair six-year system why can't the Pirates? Why can't the Royals?

And finally, why should fucksticks like Jeffrey Loria be personally rewarded for pocketing revenue sharing money to the detriment to his team?

(and I have no idea why I'd even bother arguing this with people who, no doubt, haven't got a fucking clue what Type A or B free agent even is and probably know little to nothing about such things as the Rule V draft and arbitration clock)

[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 8:45 PM. Reason : x]

7/14/2010 8:41:19 PM

^ tell that to the rest of the teams that have no shot at the championship. And tell that to their fans.

you are 100% wrong

7/14/2010 8:58:45 PM

I just got off the phone with Marlins fan. He laughed at me and said that they have two titles in the past 13 seasons. He also called Bob Nutting and David Glass fools.

If you think small market teams have no chance at a championship you are ignorant to recent baseball history. It's really that simple.

[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 9:08 PM. Reason : x]

7/14/2010 9:06:44 PM

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"Do you think people realize that the last time they were consistently excellent was when they actually developed from within and didn't spend wildly? I'm starting to think that no one actually knows that."

that's false. they've been consistently excellent over the last 15 years since they've made the playoffs every year since 1996 with the exception of 2008, part of which was easily attributable to the fact that they were bitten badly by the injury bug, and the rays also happened to go from worst to best team in major league baseball over the course of 1 season. world series titles and excellence don't necessarily go hand in hand. the orioles were THE model franchise in baseball for probably 20 years, but they only won 3 championships in that time span. the yankees might have won a few more championships this decade if they would've spent their money more wisely (steinbrenner's meddling fault), but go back and look at some of those rosters and tell me they weren't stacked. hell, a lot of this decades teams were better than the ones from the dynasty of the mid-late 90s. they just choked in october.

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"I think that the Yankees have done such a good job over the year building their brand, coming up with new business ventures/ideas and best exploiting what has always been a pretty fair system that they DESERVE to reap the benefits of that."

cool. as a business major, i can appreciate what the yankees do as a business entity since at the end of the day that's what every team is, but i also don't like to look at the game as a case study.

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"(and I have no idea why I'd even bother arguing this with people who, no doubt, haven't got a fucking clue what Type A or B free agent even is and probably know little to nothing about such things as the Rule V draft and arbitration clock)"

i understand what type A and B free agents are as well as the rule 5 draft and arbitration clock. MLB's draft system is broken and sucks all types of ass, and fixing that would do far more good for the league than anything else.

[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 9:23 PM. Reason : .]

7/14/2010 9:19:33 PM

BEU, do you have a good phone number for the Rockies, Rays, Astros, As, Twins, Marlins, Brewers or Padres? I want to tell them that they since they actually had no shot, they will have to forfeit their recent playoff appearances. Also the Rangers, who are on the way to the playoffs despite being bankrupt.

7/14/2010 9:23:04 PM

Comparing the 60s/70s/80s Orioles to any team today is silly, completely different game, completely different financial model.

How is the draft broken?

Over the past 10 or 15 years, MLB has had more "parity" than the NFL or NBA, despite the lack of a salary cap and despite its more limited playoff opportunities.

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"Do you think people realize that the last time they were consistently excellent was when they actually developed from within and didn't spend wildly? I'm starting to think that no one actually knows that. "

This is the best part of the entire argument. Casual folks who just hear about the Yankees payroll don't remember how homegrown those late 90s teams were.


[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 9:29 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2010 9:28:00 PM

Since 1998 they have missed the playoffs once. One fucking time. Is there any other team that is even close to that? The only reason they haven't one the World Series more times is because baseball is so random in the playoffs.... ie it is much more likely that an inferior team will win a baseball game.

By that I mean that if the worst team in the NFL played the best 10 times, the best team would go 10-0 more often than not. In baseball, it would usually be something like 7-3. So it is much easier for an inferior team to get hot for a small stretch in baseball (and win 3 games in the first round for instance). Just because the Yankees do not win every championship does not mean they do not have the best team, it simply means another team got hot at the right time.

7/14/2010 9:38:16 PM

Really? I'm not trying to be a complete dick. I'm really not. But if you don't know that the Braves had a similar playoff streak (one that was done without the benefit of a monstrous payroll) that only ended recently maybe it isn't best to continue this argument because it really makes no sense for either of us to invest time in it.

And yes, I think we know that baseball is a game that can be won with pitching and that "inferior" teams sometimes beat the best team. Of course since pitching is one of, if not the most important part of baseball, it's hard to really call those teams "inferior."

[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 9:43 PM. Reason : dbacks in 2001 I'm looking at you]

7/14/2010 9:42:30 PM

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"Since 1998 they have missed the playoffs once. One fucking time."

Were you making this argument when the Braves went to the playoffs 14 straight times? What about the Colts? They've been 8 straight years. Red Wings 19, Devils 13. Spurs 13, Mavericks 10.

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"The only reason they haven't one the World Series more times is because baseball is so random in the playoffs.... ie it is much more likely that an inferior team will win a baseball game. "

There's something to be said about getting hot in the playoffs, but playing 5 or 7 game series does a lot to extinguish "randomness".

[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 9:49 PM. Reason : dbacks had a pretty solid offense in 01]

7/14/2010 9:44:27 PM

world champions since 2001:

Diamondbacks
Angels
Marlins
Red Sox
White Sox
Cardinals
Red Sox
Phillies
Yankees

7/14/2010 9:54:18 PM

Yes, your right. Other teams in other sports, including baseball, have been dominant. But not because they outspent every other team.

7/14/2010 10:01:26 PM

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"Comparing the 60s/70s/80s Orioles to any team today is silly, completely different game, completely different financial model."

i'm not comparing today's teams to that era of orioles teams. i was just saying excellence does not equate to world series championships.

2001 - lost to dbacks in WS
2002 - lost to angels (WS champs) in ALDS
2003 - lost to marlins in WS
2004 - lost to red sox (WS champs) in ALCS
2005 - lost to angels in ALDS
2006 - lost to tigers in ALDS
2007 - lost to indians in ALDS
2009 - WS champs

in 5 of those 8 seasons, they either won the WS, played in it, or lost to the team that went on to win it. as much as a lot of people dislike the yankees, i think they would all take those playoff performances for their teams because that right there is excellence. as an o's fan, i know i would.

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"How is the draft broken?"

i'd rather not derail this thread more than it already has been by getting into this issue because it's long and complicated

[Edited on July 14, 2010 at 10:13 PM. Reason : oops]

7/14/2010 10:12:16 PM