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"dentifying trans people as "abnormal" instead of "different." it wasn't very long ago when people were saying "why is there 'straight'? there's faggots and normals - no need for another term""

sorry, i was editing while you posted that.

my point remains. we're talking significant difference in the orders of magnitude.

homosexuality is a normal (albeit minority) expression of human sexuality -- of the whole animal kingdom, actually -- and accounts for 5% of the population. Perhaps as much as 10%, though that might be a bit of an overestimate.

On the other hand, transsexual chromosome defects account for 1:10,000 males and 1:30,000 of females.

that's a whole 'nother ballgame there. that's not normal variation. that's something went wrong during embryonic development.

see, that's the thing about embryonic development: you're either within the normal variations, or you're not. when you're not within the normal variations, its a defect or a syndrome and that's a medical diagnosis that requires a name.

sorry bout that. but that's the way it is.





[Edited on September 25, 2010 at 5:07 AM. Reason : TS/TG prevalence figures]

9/25/2010 4:54:57 AM

being ts/tg is a social practice, though
isn't it?

are you saying there is a biological determinant for this behavior?

9/25/2010 5:10:38 AM

^ ugh, what? as much as you claim to know about sexuality and stuff, that's shocking coming from you.

just like nobody wakes up one day and says, hey i am going to be attracted to my own sex and not the opposite one, no one wakes up one day and says, hey i want to change my gender. the urge in both cases, comes from within. from the brain.

TG people are people who were born either with ambiguous genitalia, both genitalia, abnormal levels of sex hormones, or a combination. they usually get fucked up by their parents and the medical system because they are changed into one of the physical sexes by surgery, but the sex they are changed into might not be the same 'gender' in their brain. i mean you tell me, if the genitalia look both male and female, is the child male or female? will it act like a male or a female when it grows up?

imagine a child is born with a very enlarged clitoris (genetic girl) which might as well be a penis, or a very small penis (genetic boy) which might as well be a clitoris, and elevated levels of the opposite sex hormone. or perhaps genitalia which might be unrecognizable. to correct the genitalia, the parents decide to change the child into a boy (or a girl) by surgery and hormones, based on their desires and based on the choice of the doctor. let's say the child grows up as a boy, but feels like a girl in his head and has feminine qualities. was it fair to that child that someone decided for it that it should be a boy, when really inside he feels like a girl?

these days, the recommendation is to wait until the child exhibits characterisitcs of one particular gender and then to have surgery to align their physical body with the gender they feel and act like.

that was TG people.

TSs might be TGs, or they might not be but just have a desire to dress like the opposite gender, and again, the desire comes from within, so it is usually due to decreased levels of one's own sex hormone and/or elevated levels of the opposite hormone.


[Edited on September 25, 2010 at 6:02 AM. Reason : ]

9/25/2010 5:46:36 AM

P.S. I thought all this was basic knowledge that everybody knew in this day and age...?

9/25/2010 6:23:13 AM

didn't you read the picture in the first post, trappy? attributing sexual preferences and identity to measurable phenomena is bigotry.
But attributing anything else at all to the immeasurable is close-minded

READ YOUR TRUTH-TICKER

9/25/2010 7:01:23 AM

^^^You are confusing "transgender" with "intersexed"; transgender individuals have a gender identity at variance with their biological sex (which is definitively either male or female, not intersex).

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"privilege? really? privilege?? my goodness, you are bitter, aren't you. there's no privilege. no one hands me shit just because i'm not gender-confused."

read plz: http://whatprivilege.com/

[Edited on September 25, 2010 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ^^I didn't know a lot of this even back in 2009; I'm still learning

9/25/2010 11:39:12 AM

that's likely the most unbearably hive-minded website I've ever seen.
I've been on msnbc's boards, wallowed in reddit/move-on group-think, but i've never been witness to a creature possessing only the "flight" half of the "fight or flight" bacteria style brain-stem function.

9/25/2010 9:17:42 PM

I actually prefer her other blog: http://thehathorlegacy.com/if-male-actors-had-to-be-as-blandly-perfect-as-female-ones/

9/25/2010 11:12:14 PM

Hey gay people, I have a question

Why is there always a bull dyke in a lesbian relationship? If a women is into women, wouldnt she want her partner to have feminine qualities rather than masculine qualities?

9/25/2010 11:23:14 PM

While I may not be the most qualified to answer why anyone is attracted to women, I am within the specified group towards which you directed your query, and I'll try to give it an honest answer. First off, I'd challenge the use of the word always. Anecdotal as it may be, most lesbian couples I've known wouldn't necessary fit your narrative. More properly I'd be challenging the media narrative that focuses on that which is most different, which likely leads to such misplaced perceptions in the first place.

But for such cases as you described I'd imagine the requisite parts and pieces (vagina & breasts) sufficiently meet the need of feminine qualities, more-so than culturally driven attitudes towards things like hair-length or dress-style which can differ across societies and throughout time. Furthermore a group that's very existence has histrionically been considered outside of cultural norms has less conditioning to buy into cultural norms, such as how femininity is defined, and thus less options of buying into them even if they wanted to. Whereas expressing themselves culturally in the way you described may help them identify more strongly with the LGBT community, and thus feel more accepted.

And of course you have to account for the fact that in any group of people you'll find different standards and tastes from person to person. However, I'd still wager that if you went through my photos from NC Pride today, in the thread below, you'd find most of the women do not fit your description, and rather are trying to fit-in with cultural norms and standards of beauty and femininity (with some rainbows added of course).
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=602537

[Edited on September 25, 2010 at 11:55 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2010 11:53:39 PM

^+1

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"Why is there always a bull dyke in a lesbian relationship?"

An excellent counter-example is found with Rachel Maddow and Susan Mikula: Maddow is the more "butch" of the two but still isn't quite a "bull dyke"

[Edited on September 26, 2010 at 12:22 AM. Reason : IMO bull dykes are rare among lesbians, much as nellies are rare among gay men

9/26/2010 12:21:47 AM

I think the more accurate question is why it appears in a lesbian couple that one is always more butch than the other. That is, neither are on a nearly equal level of feminism. They might not be a bull dyke, but seems that one dresses in less feminine clothes, has a more male-oriented hairstyle, etc.

9/26/2010 1:10:49 AM

Perhaps that is a similar question to why does the moon look bigger sometimes. And the answer can be that its closer to the skyline so you're naturally comparing it with things like trees.

A man and woman beside each other doesn't draw the eye to notice particular differences since they are expected, whereas two women side by side, since everyone is unique, necessarily makes such distinctions more pronounced. It might be like asking, why with 2 ppl standing beside each other is one usually at least a little taller?

9/26/2010 1:17:16 AM

You like to avoid the question. Its just a curiosity of mine.

9/26/2010 1:19:15 AM

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"You like to avoid the question."

I thought I'd given pretty thoughtful and extensive (perhaps not fully comprehensive) responses to the best of my knowledge plus some speculation.

[Edited on September 26, 2010 at 1:27 AM. Reason : .]

9/26/2010 1:21:53 AM

maybe you just haven't observed enough lesbians


if you look at any random group of women, you will find the same distinctions that some are more or less feminine than others regardless of sexual orientation. this doesn't become weird when two happen to be in a relationship with each other.

9/26/2010 1:57:48 AM

that is a much better/clearer way of saying what i was trying to get at

9/26/2010 2:03:50 AM

Either you're joking and pretending you havent noticed it, or maybe its one of those things you only really observe if you are a heterosexual - because its pretty common to see one butch girl and one regular feminine girl, that is usually the give-away that its a lesbian couple rather than two girls that are friends

9/26/2010 2:39:20 AM

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"Either you're joking and pretending"

^are you referring to me or mcfluffle, b/c i've acknowledged that some people fit the mold and speculated as to why like 9 posts up.

[Edited on September 26, 2010 at 3:08 AM. Reason : .]

9/26/2010 2:44:41 AM

^^if you see a couple of femme lesbians you probably won't notice right away that they're a couple

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"That is, neither are on a nearly equal level of feminism."

I think you meant "femininity"

9/26/2010 3:34:38 AM

yall come out to seattle, mmkay? you'll see butch dyke couples on the regular. you can't tell which one is more butch, they both win the prize.

9/27/2010 11:00:01 AM

this person is amazing: http://zinniajones.com/blog/

here's that Bible verse in the translation best regarded by scholars: http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=152633350

9/27/2010 8:23:52 PM

What if Pinocchio had wanted to become a "real girl"?
http://www.bilerico.com/2010/09/transgender_pinocchio.php

9/28/2010 10:31:11 AM

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"The word of the Lord came to me: Mortal, there were two women, the daughters of one mother; they played the whore in Egypt; they played the whore in their youth; their breasts were caressed there, and their virgin bosoms were fondled. Oholah was the name of the elder and Oholibah the name of her sister. They became mine, and they bore sons and daughters. As for their names, Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem. Oholah played the whore while she was mine; she lusted after her lovers the Assyrians, warriors clothed in blue, governors and commanders, all of them handsome young men, mounted horsemen. She bestowed her favours upon them, the choicest men of Assyria all of them; and she defiled herself with all the idols of everyone for whom she lusted. She did not give up her whorings that she had practised since Egypt; for in her youth men had lain with her and fondled her virgin bosom and poured out their lust upon her.... Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet she was more corrupt than her sister in her lusting and in her whorings, which were worse than those of her sister.... the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their lust; and after she defiled herself with them, she turned from them in disgust. When she carried on her whorings so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her, as I had turned from her sister. Yet she increased her whorings, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions. Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians fondled your bosom and caressed your young breasts. -- Ezekiel Ch. 23"

fuck me, i'm getting hard.

9/28/2010 10:54:09 AM

which porn mag is that from?

btw

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"MEMBERS WERE LIKE"

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"THOSE OF DONKEYS"

and

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"EMISSION WAS LIKE"

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"THAT OF STALLIONS"

[Edited on September 28, 2010 at 12:22 PM. Reason : ]

9/28/2010 12:21:23 PM

you suck at this.

9/28/2010 12:35:41 PM

you would know all 'bout sucking, wouldn't you?

9/28/2010 3:12:43 PM

^^^that epic work of fiction created by the ancient Jews and now known as the Old Testament

[Edited on September 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM. Reason : or the Tanakh

9/28/2010 3:13:56 PM

haha ya i know... it just read like a porn mag

9/28/2010 3:15:22 PM

I <3 Kate Bornstein; hir work on gender is epic: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0679757015/

Ze recently released an update: http://www.riotnrrdcomics.com/2010/09/gender-outlaws-the-next-generation/

9/30/2010 2:45:49 AM

bttt

10/14/2010 3:35:51 AM

sry

all i see is

10/14/2010 5:02:39 AM

biggotry is a mere letter removed from faggotry

thx for the misspelling

10/15/2010 11:34:49 PM

What is covered by the Q that is not covered by any of the other letters? It just seems redundant.

10/15/2010 11:44:47 PM

lgbt queer assfuckers?


I kid...

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"OR DO I?"

10/15/2010 11:49:02 PM

queer or questioning

some variants of the initialism use two Qs and may also use an I for Intersex, although that one isn't quite a sexual orientation or gender identity (which are basically states of mind) but rather a physical condition; by contrast people who identify as either gay or straight (monosexual) and people who identify as transgender were usually born identifiably male or female (in fact often "transgender" is defined to exclude intersex people)

[Edited on October 15, 2010 at 11:50 PM. Reason : A is for Asexual (or sometimes Allies who are both straight and cisgender)

10/15/2010 11:49:36 PM

so, if an asexual beat off, to what would he beat off?

10/15/2010 11:50:59 PM

I assumed it was for queer, which, again, seems to be already covered.

And questioning? That seems a little weak to me. I mean, pick one category, pick them all, who cares, but questioning doesn't really seem to fit the came criteria established by the other initials for inclusion.

Q just isn't good enough to be included in the acronym. It doesn't fit with my understanding of what the terms are supposed to mean. It seems like it was just a decision someone made.

10/15/2010 11:56:41 PM

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"the reason people can't stand to be around you people of non mainstream sexuality is because of your goddamn victim mentality and constant fucking whining. Shut the fuck up. The reality is that most people can give two shits and a fuck who you want to fuck until you start throwing it in their faces."

what do you mean you people?

10/16/2010 12:00:32 AM

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"so, if an asexual beat off, to what would he beat off?"

first of all why do you assume women aren't asexual

anyway I know a community that may help: http://asexuality.org

10/16/2010 12:01:14 AM

using the impersonal "he". come on

English doesn't have an explicit impersonal to use for an object of unspecified gender that actually has a gender. German does, and it is/was effectively the masculine term. Somewhere along the way in the differentiation of the two languages, I assume, English just picked the masculine and said "to hell with it".

[Edited on October 16, 2010 at 12:06 AM. Reason : ]

10/16/2010 12:01:48 AM

the proper singular common/ambiguous-gender pronouns go like this
Subjective: ze
Objective and Possessive: hir
Genitive: hirs
Reflexive: hirself

[Edited on October 16, 2010 at 12:07 AM. Reason : It's evolving and there are other proposals but these are common across the LGBT blogosphere

10/16/2010 12:07:07 AM

great. I'm glad that's what you use. I'll use the fucking standard that was used for quite a long damned time and say "he." You can say "she," if you want. Hell, you can say "Xenu" if you want, I don't give a fuck. Just be consistent. That's how it fucking works. Now answer the god-damned question

[Edited on October 16, 2010 at 12:11 AM. Reason : ]

10/16/2010 12:10:57 AM

be sure to never use "its" either

I mean the possessive of "it" was "his" all the way until shortly before King James I authorized a new translation of the Bible, and even in the original 1611 version "its" only appeared twice

I mean the English language was set on the same kind of stone tablets spoken of in that book of myths, legends, and lies, so it must never evolve as long as thou shalt live

10/16/2010 12:14:44 AM

sure, it can evolve. I'm just saying that in this case their is no need, save for the few panty-twisters that get pissed off about it. I'm not gonna call a person an it, no matter what.

Now tell me what the fuck asexuals jack off to, if they jack off.



btw, it is funny that in giving a grammar lesson, you split an infinitive. lol

[Edited on October 16, 2010 at 12:17 AM. Reason : ]

10/16/2010 12:17:25 AM

newsflash: English is not Latin, no matter how much vocabulary came from it
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/page/grammartipsplitinfinitive

10/16/2010 12:21:04 AM

newsflash: you haven't answered the question

10/16/2010 12:26:15 AM

one possibility (prepare for squick): http://www.asexuality.org/home/general.html#def6

10/16/2010 12:29:06 AM

IF I WANTED TO CLICK A LINK TO FIND OUT, I WOULD HAVE DONE SO ALREADY. NOW TELL ME SO I CAN CONTINUE THIS CHARADE OF NON-FUNNY-FUNNINESS!

10/16/2010 12:30:14 AM

ok ok ok, just remember the line from the old Arizona political ad: "Reading helps you know what you're talking about."

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"I masturbate. What do you make of that? Most asexuals are physically capable of sex. Some masturbate and some don't. Masturbation produces a pleasurable sensation and as such many asexuals choose to use it to take pleasure from their bodies. Many asexuals can only arouse themselves manually (by applying friction to sexual organs), others can turn themselves on with thought. The distinction between sexual and asexual people is that, if asexuals think about other people during masturbation (many asexuals don't think about anything specifically sexual) it is only as fantasy. If they actually were given the opportunity to be sexual with that person there would be no attraction, or the drive would be so low as to be completely ignorable. Some asexuals may be considered autosexual, they have the drive to take pleasure from their own body. Other masturbating asexuals do not have a sexual drive motivating them, they just do it because it's nice. The common factor is that all asexuals, masturbating or not, have little or no sexual attraction to other people."

less squicky than the last link: http://www.asexuality.org/home/general.html#def9

As a more personal example, I get off on pictures of busty women showing off their racks, but close-up shots of the vagina or penetration are considerably less boner-inducing; if in addition I had no interest in plunging my cock into an ass, cunt, or mouth, or getting it tugged or rubbed or sucked by another person or getting my ass or mouth penetrated or fisting (etc.) then getting off on the sight of a pair of big juggs would be an example of asexual masturbation.
(also tbqh my sex drive is rather low...)

10/16/2010 12:37:08 AM