call out the hipsters on tdub!

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 1:00 PM. Reason : says Page 2 (i would like to know too)]

11/9/2010 12:59:56 PM

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"Hipsters basically just highjacked"

you really don't need anything beyond this point. They attempt to connect with something real, but realize they cannot, so they mask it with "irony" which is designed to deflect the inevitable criticism of the lack of authenticity and originality they so crave.


Fucking Enloe was a haven of hipsters before they even became hipsters. Everyone tried to fit in buy not fitting it. It is a rather pathetic display of self delusion.


I mean, I've gotten disturbingly conformist in my "fashion" as I age, but I'm willing (though not happy) to admit it.

11/9/2010 1:02:45 PM

^ ha same here. It just comes down to not wanting to put forth a lot of effort in maintaining an image. at least for me.

11/9/2010 1:04:01 PM

I'd argue that "hipsters" have been around since basically the advent of punk in the early 70's. The idea has taken different shapes and been morphed into/associated with different offshoot musical genres and other art related mediums since then, with some groups being more annoying, showy, and fake than others but it just amazes me that people think this is something that has popped up recently.

If these bands emerged today, they'd basically be considered "hipsters" no doubt.

Early 80s:



1985:



[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 1:05:36 PM

Henry Rollins dislikes hipsters

11/9/2010 1:06:24 PM

Exactly my point. What I mean is that most people on here would call him and Black Flag "hipsters" today.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM. Reason : punctuation!]

11/9/2010 1:07:27 PM

Basically it's a bunch of people who don't know shit about shit talking about people who don't know shit about shit and everyone needs to just shut up already

Really tired of hearing and reading the word hipster

11/9/2010 1:08:44 PM

Vice Magazine reading piece of crap

11/9/2010 1:12:55 PM

hipsters like to drink. i like to drink. so we get along pretty well.

11/9/2010 1:16:30 PM

I've just realized that jersey86 is a hipster.

11/9/2010 1:20:19 PM

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"I'd argue that "hipsters" have been around since basically the advent of punk in the early 70's."

Punk was a rejection of everything they found wrong about late 70s / early 80s society. There was a defining culture built around a vague cluster of ideas and anger.


Hipsterism possesses none of the energy of the early Punk movement. Essentially it is a, "we accept the fact that we'll all be driving mini-vans and wearing pastel polos someday, but for now we're going to make a half-hearted attempt at a conformist version individuaility. Our love of irony is really a subconsious acceptance of the inevitablitiy of our descent into respectability"


That being said, hipsters are generally harmless and seem to just enjoy doing their thing. They definitely don't bother me, I just find them an interesting sub-cultural phenomenon.

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"It just comes down to not wanting to put forth a lot of effort in maintaining an image. at least for me."

I've just reached a point where, when I don't want to stand out I don't want to stand out. When I do it'll usually be based on something I have to say and I have no problem being individual in my thoughts.

11/9/2010 1:25:35 PM

A lot of hipsters like Johnny Cash

11/9/2010 1:35:44 PM

I, for one, welcome our new Hipster overlords.

They really don't bother me, probably because I'm a fine arts student. Yea, I bet that has something to do with it.

Also, as long as they have hot hipster chicks they can stay as long as they like.

11/9/2010 1:41:04 PM

^^ That is the natural state of humanity friend. That's like saying, "a lot of hipsters like to breathe." Only fucking deginerates don't like Johnny Cash.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 1:42:00 PM

^^^^ I agree with you about the punk vs. your definition of hipster. I share the same definition of hipster with you. I guess the point I was trying to make wasn't made very well. (My fault, not yours or anyone else)

I put "hipster" in quotes up there because I was talking about what a lot of people on here perceive the word "hipster" to apply to. These arguments turn into people really talking/arguing about many different types of people; the word just gets used way too often and applied to too many people. For example, guys who wear button up shirts and enjoy music that happens to not be "mainstream" vs the people I consider hipsters who live by your definition (but may also share some similar dress and music tastes).

I've dressed relatively the same way for 10 years now yet I've gotten called a "hipster" with negative connotations more than once in recent years when I've been out. I'm far from my definition of a hipster but I get lumped in there all the time.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 1:42:23 PM

Man in Black is like the basic emo-hipster mantra.

11/9/2010 1:49:49 PM

^^ fair enough. People who base their identity around an "image" deserve to be categorized . . . but that doesn't mean everyone who vaguely fits that image can be categorized.

11/9/2010 1:51:57 PM

hipsters are early adopters and are all about cultural fluency

that is why they are not like the avant garde

the avant garde was about creating something new and swimming against the stream - not fully understanding and manipulating it

Musical analogy:

compare free jazz with a booty mash-up


[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 1:52 PM. Reason : - not a qualitative judgment, just a comparison of ideology through methods]

11/9/2010 1:52:21 PM

Interesting point.

11/9/2010 1:53:48 PM

No one is avant garde

11/9/2010 1:56:15 PM

Oh, finally, a hipster thread with more than a couple people who actually know what the hell a hipster is and how subcultures work.

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"Hipsterism possesses none of the energy of the early Punk movement."

It's certainly true that hipsterism is much more apathetic/less morivated than punk, but I think something more to the point is that hipsterism lacks the well-defined identity and direction of punk.

So many styles have already been done, which leaves hipsters kind of limited if they want to avoid looking like they're just riding on or hijacking some other earlier subculture. Given that fact, and the progression of the advertising/marketing industry to the point that some corporations are going to quickly try to seize up whatever subculture images happen to arise (example: Hot Topic), hipsterism is left just grasping at whatever they can find to avoid looking like they're conforming to anything. It's a much more vague rebellion against convention, but in some ways, it's vague by necessity.

And shit, that's part of the reason hipsterism is so hard to define and is so often misunderstood. It gets applied to some people who might fit the general look or the general sort of anti-pop mentality, but who might not actually "base their identity around an image", as JCASH said.


Hell, to some people just being into indie music and being interested in culture and entertainment media can give you a hipster label. To people who actually are into that stuff, hipsters are the ones they see who obsess over image and care more about how an interest makes them look rather than liking something out of a genuine interest in it.

Really, though, it's not a lot different than many other social rebellion sort of movements, as CalledToArms and JCASH have been saying... it just looks different and is much more undirected, largely because of the way American society has progressed since the '80s (thanks in large part to the internet).

Anyway, I typed a lot about this. Probably more than it deserves, but hell, the development of counter-cultures can be a decently interesting thing.

11/9/2010 2:13:46 PM

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"...But he is a dick that enjoys life. That is infinitely preferrable to woefully wading through life bitter about how miserable being middle class and white is."

That's what I was saying in
my first post

11/9/2010 2:16:04 PM

I'm just glad you bastards are done butchering the word "emo".

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11/9/2010 2:21:06 PM

^^I don't get why people think that hipsters obsess over how supposedly culture-less and awful it is to be white and middle class. Makes me think they're just assuming it's a new name for high school emo kids after they graduate (this would be the butchering of the word "emo" that Skack mentions).

Hell, a lot of them are just in it to get laid. They're smug dicks who are trying to enjoy life... They're just different-looking dicks.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 2:30:19 PM

^^ very true

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 2:44:54 PM

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"I'm just glad you bastards are done butchering the word "emo"."

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"Oh, finally, a hipster thread with more than a couple people who actually know what the hell a hipster is and how subcultures work."

It is refreshing, isn't it?

The fact that there aren't really any defining guidelines to being a hipster, combined with the fact that most people hating on hipsters don't have much of a clue what they're even hating on makes this a pretty fucking silly argument.

Some people are annoying, some people are dicks, some people wear silly clothes, some people talk like they know what the fuck is going on... you guys do realize these things are not limited to just hipsters, right? And not everyone who is "hip" is all or any of these things.

11/9/2010 2:49:30 PM

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"Hell, to some people just being into indie music and being interested in culture and entertainment media can give you a hipster label. To people who actually are into that stuff, hipsters are the ones they see who obsess over image and care more about how an interest makes them look rather than liking something out of a genuine interest in it."

this

11/9/2010 3:00:33 PM

punk and hipster are completely different sub cultures.

this is the definition of a hipster:

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"hipsters are the ones [...] who obsess over image and care more about how an interest makes them look rather than liking something out of a genuine interest in it. "

A hipster will pay $200 for bad jeans. If Whole Foods sold PBR at 5 times MSRP a hipster would go out of their way to buy it at Whole Foods instead of the grocery store. Occasionally a hipster will find something that is both obscure and good to latch on to (for the obscureness, not the goodness) and their additional idiocy will annoy those who like it because it is good.

Hipsters go out of their way and pay whatever is required for things that are not mainstream regardless of quality (and quite frequently inspite of quality). They spend a large amount of time and money on their image which makes them fantastic targets for advertisers. The combination of their stupid wastefulness and their complete blindness to how they're being used by advertisers (while maintaing the impression of individualism) is why most people dislike them. Not because of a specific band or product that they may like.

11/9/2010 3:00:34 PM

As far as your advertising argument goes, the same things can be said about black people, young children, moms, single men, etc...

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"A hipster will pay $200 for bad jeans. If Whole Foods sold PBR at 5 times MSRP a hipster would go out of their way to buy it at Whole Foods instead of the grocery store. Occasionally a hipster will find something that is both obscure and good to latch on to (for the obscureness, not the goodness) and their additional idiocy will annoy those who like it because it is good."

First of all, what the fuck are you talking about? Sure there are some who genuinely like PBR, but you seriously think it is popular for any other reason than the fact that it is often the cheapest thing around?

Also, what is your definition of bad jeans? I hardly think someone willing to drop 200 bucks on jeans is going to purchase something lacking in quality (chances are good that a 200 dollar pair of jeans would be pretty decent quality), so is it the style that bothers you? Maybe you're not seeing enough carpenter loops or acid washes in this hipster culture you think you know so much about?

So a group of people like something for different reasons than you and that annoys you? What is this "additonal idiocy" you talk about? What kind of "obscure" music do you listen to that has been ruined by "additional idiocy?"

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 3:29 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 3:25:16 PM

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"Essentially it is a, "we accept the fact that we'll all be driving mini-vans and wearing pastel polos someday, but for now we're going to make a half-hearted attempt at a conformist version individuaility. Our love of irony is really a subconsious acceptance of the inevitablitiy of our descent into respectability""

I don't know about that. I've seen a good number of indiscreet tattoos that will doom people to restaurant work for life.

11/9/2010 3:30:07 PM

pffft I've seen lots of tattoos and even mohawks in a professional environment
depends on what industry you work in

attitudes about tattoos especially are changing

11/9/2010 3:39:50 PM

Not me.

I'd go so far as hiring a black guy before I'd hire someone with a tattoo.

11/9/2010 3:41:53 PM

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"Hell, to some people just being into indie music and being interested in culture and entertainment media can give you a hipster label. To people who actually are into that stuff, hipsters are the ones they see who obsess over image and care more about how an interest makes them look rather than liking something out of a genuine interest in it."

agreed.

11/9/2010 3:43:55 PM

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"I've seen a good number of indiscreet tattoos that will doom people to restaurant work for life"

you make a valid point.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 3:45:06 PM

I don't think there are people such as the ones Shaggy describes.

11/9/2010 3:48:28 PM

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" I've seen lots of tattoos and even mohawks in a professional environment depends on what industry you work in attitudes about tattoos especially are changing"

I could not care less what someone looks like if they can perform well at their position but I have worked at a large Fortune 500 MNC and now at a large regional corporation and have never once seen a so called "different" haircut or a single visible tattoo..

11/9/2010 3:51:01 PM

jeans are very cheap commodity clothing that became popular because of its cheapness. Just like PBR. My point was that high priced jeans are as retarded as high priced pbr. There is litterally no difference between your basic levis and expensive designer jeans. You would be an idiot to pay more for something that is of the same quality, but thats what hipsters do. And thats why people hate them.

I dont think obscure is probably the best word. They tend to favor products and music generally consumed by the poor because they are anti-fashion/anti-pop. Things like jeans, pbr, folk music, etc... They are willing to pay the same price as the mainstream stuff for these things, which is retarded. And thats fine that there are retards who will overpay for things. But dont get butt hurt if you massively overpay for something and someone calls you an idiot. You're an idiot and thats fine.

When someone is that into image over substance, it tends to create more demand for image over substance. aka selling out. Granted its hard to kill certain genres with bad overproduced garbage. The only one I can really think of is punk and that deserved to die either way.

Basically what people dont like about hipsters is how they go on and on and on about how they over paid for some boring shit or how they like some band thats either not very good or thats 10 years old and they just found out about and have to spread the word because they're the first to ever find out about them.

You aren't original, you aren't interesting, shut up about your dumb boring life and the dumb boring things you like.

11/9/2010 3:52:34 PM

How many hipsters does it take to change a light bulb?

Eh, it's a really vague number. You've probably never heard of it...

11/9/2010 3:52:41 PM

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"There is litterally no difference between your basic levis and expensive designer jeans."

you lost me there

11/9/2010 3:54:31 PM

ITT Shaggy says that jeans are not mainstream and are made to be worn by the poor.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 3:57 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 3:56:18 PM

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"There is litterally no difference between your basic levis and expensive designer jeans."

you lost me there

11/9/2010 3:59:36 PM

I'm not paying $200 for a pair of jeans when I can find a decent pair for $60 or less.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 4:13 PM. Reason : and I'm not paying for a PBR, period. ]

11/9/2010 4:12:32 PM

^^^jeans are not high fashion which is why hipsters like them

^^ is a hipster

^ is a rational human being.

11/9/2010 4:15:21 PM

Expensive jeans get all up in my man parts.

Thats why the ones I have on right now came from the gap.

11/9/2010 4:15:50 PM

^^ haha, you called my boyfriend a hipster. That just made my day. lololol

I thought hipsters shopped at vintage stores and consignment shops?

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : qustion?]

11/9/2010 4:18:46 PM

I tried to get some decent new jeans a few months ago. I ended up having to go to Eddie Bauer Outdoor to find anything that was acceptable and not low cut.

11/9/2010 4:20:12 PM

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" There is litterally no difference between your basic levis and expensive designer jeans. You would be an idiot to pay more for something that is of the same quality, but thats what hipsters do. And thats why people hate them. "

This is absurdly stupid. You've clearly never owned a good pair of jeans. As with most things, you get what you pay for (there are exceptions to this rule). Nothing you get off the rack at Old Navy is going to truly fit properly (unless you don't realize that jeans are not supposed to fit like sweat pants)

I guess I would expect this from someone that wear hawaiin shirts and tshirts from thinkgeek.

I'll assume you think that some Spaldings from K-Mart are the same thing as some benchmade Sid Mashburns?

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"Basically what people dont like about hipsters is how they go on and on and on about how they over paid for some boring shit or how they like some band thats either not very good or thats 10 years old and they just found out about and have to spread the word because they're the first to ever find out about them. You aren't original, you aren't interesting, shut up about your dumb boring life and the dumb boring things you like. "

Honestly dude, it sounds like you just have bad taste and are a bit butthurt about it.

[Edited on November 9, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2010 4:20:32 PM

lmao. ronny you are the quintesential hipster. you like bad overpriced shit. Sorry your dumb as hell, but thats just the way it is.

11/9/2010 4:21:36 PM

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"Sorry your dumb as hell, but thats just the way it is."

at least hipsters are usually literate.

11/9/2010 4:22:16 PM

ironic illiteracy ITT

11/9/2010 4:22:57 PM