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11/30/2010 6:16:08 PM

I'm going to fill up a 50 gallon drum with Diesel and Four Loko and patriotism and dreams and drink it next fourth of July.

ROCK FLAG AND EAAAAGLEEEEEE

11/30/2010 6:45:24 PM

My freshman year at State, I went through a bad break-up. First weekend of school, I went out with a few of my suitemates to some random party... I ended up having 4 shots of Everclear including many, many other things (like 2 solo cups of PJ). I had to go to the hospital for hitting my head so many times; we also found out my BAC was 0.184.


So basically, I have been one of the people they're making this law for. And guess what, even I disagree with it. I was dumb, knew how high of an alcohol content Everclear has, and still did those things. I paid for it big time (literally, because an ER visit and a CAT scan are not cheap) and I felt like shit for over a day. Basically, kids need to learn from their mistakes and be smart. You can't hold the hands of every citizen forever or act in a paternalistic fashion...

[Edited on November 30, 2010 at 6:56 PM. Reason : I also had to shell out $30 to have my suitemate's car cleaned.. glad they were able to get it out]

11/30/2010 6:55:04 PM

^

Quote :

"paul.stroup@meckabc.com"

11/30/2010 6:57:35 PM

Ya know Willy Nilly, I know we normally don't see eye to eye but I think I will take your suggestion

This is dumb

11/30/2010 6:58:11 PM

Yo this thread title is ass

11/30/2010 7:41:48 PM

Quote :

"My freshman year at State, I went through a bad break-up. First weekend of school, I went out with a few of my suitemates to some random party... I ended up having 4 shots of Everclear including many, many other things (like 2 solo cups of PJ). I had to go to the hospital for hitting my head so many times; we also found out my BAC was 0.184. So basically, I have been one of the people they're making this law for. And guess what, even I disagree with it. I was dumb, knew how high of an alcohol content Everclear has, and still did those things. I paid for it big time (literally, because an ER visit and a CAT scan are not cheap) and I felt like shit for over a day. Basically, kids need to learn from their mistakes and be smart. You can't hold the hands of every citizen forever or act in a paternalistic fashion..."

.184 lightweight much? I've pregamed and blown a .28 before hitting the bar and have been fine. Step yo game up.

Quote :

"Dear Mr. Stroup, I recently read a news article reporting that the state of North Carolina will no longer sell 95% grain alcohol at its ABC stores. The article claims you called the product "dangerous, with no redeeming social value." My questions to you are: Which alcohol products aren't dangerous when abused and which products have a redeeming social value? Please reply at your earliest convince. Thank you for your time.""

I'm sure he'll be replying at his earliest convince. Yet I do agree, what redeeming social value does consuming any alcoholic beverage possess? The better question these ABC board leaders should be asking themselves is what redeeming value of any kind do the local ABC boards possess? Why not privatize the market, charge a tax and rid ourselves of another retarded government entity thats unnecessary and a hindrance to our state.

[Edited on November 30, 2010 at 8:01 PM. Reason : ]

11/30/2010 7:50:08 PM

^ Yeah cause BACs are really something to brag about.

[Edited on November 30, 2010 at 8:41 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2010 8:40:47 PM

No more fireballs

11/30/2010 8:48:56 PM

spöokyjon copying my ideas from page 1 ITT

i'm just jealous cause your idea is better

11/30/2010 8:51:11 PM

it ain't hard to make moonshine on your stove

11/30/2010 9:07:39 PM

Quote :

"Mr. Stroup, I am writing to address the state of over-protection that our government has deemed necessary as of late, as evidenced by recent changes regarding government sanctioned availability of alcoholic beverages with certain characteristics. You claim that 190 proof alcohol has no redeeming social value. First of all, who are you to make claims such as that? Who gets to decide what beverages are socially acceptable and which are not; where is the line drawn? Second, I believe that your actions are what are truly devoid of social value. Is our society not built upon the freedom to make our own decisions and to learn from our own mistakes? Taking away those freedoms is what truly takes away "social value". In North Carolina, over 1,400 people are killed each year by automobiles. If automobiles weren’t legal, at the end of every year 1,400 more people would still be alive. Is that a price you are willing to pay? I urge you to consider the implications of your logic and the legal precedent that you set. Please do not read the above inquiries as rhetorical; I am genuinely interested in your response. "

[Edited on November 30, 2010 at 9:32 PM. Reason : ]

11/30/2010 9:31:07 PM

another thread shitted up by indy

11/30/2010 9:31:17 PM

Alcoholics ITT.

11/30/2010 9:34:30 PM

Yo this thread title is ass

11/30/2010 10:04:11 PM

petejames, nice email!

11/30/2010 10:52:24 PM

haha did you really compare 190 proof alcohol to cars? derp derp

11/30/2010 11:01:34 PM

I mean it's not really banned officially, but it might as well be because ABC stores are no longer distributing, and they have a freaking monopoly on liquor in this state.

Do they sell it in virginia? I don't forsee myself buying everclear any time soon, but if I do it would be nice to be able to drive across the border for it.

11/30/2010 11:10:42 PM

Ok, I just did my part, called into the late night show on 1110am here in Charlotte and name dropped the hell outta Mr. Stroup. Not that it'll make that much of a difference I'm sure. Really interested to see if he responds via email to any of you guys.

11/30/2010 11:30:16 PM

^^^The point is that cars are more dangerous than everclear and they aren't banned.

[Edited on December 1, 2010 at 12:01 AM. Reason : oops]

12/1/2010 12:01:36 AM

duh, but its a stupid fucking point

12/1/2010 12:02:59 AM

Quote :

"Do they sell it in virginia? I don't forsee myself buying everclear any time soon, but if I do it would be nice to be able to drive across the border for it."

i live close to the state line and go up to south boston fairly often. i'll check next time i'm up there.

12/1/2010 12:07:32 AM

Nah don't worry about it (unless you're doing it for yourself)

I live like 6 miles from virginia so I'll be able to check any time.

12/1/2010 12:09:25 AM

oic

you're actually closer than me ha

i have no use for everclear now. sweet tart PJ was the only use i had for it in college.

[Edited on December 1, 2010 at 12:12 AM. Reason : adf]

[Edited on December 1, 2010 at 12:13 AM. Reason : still think the ban is bullshit]

12/1/2010 12:11:31 AM

Guys, we all know that the government knows best and that we should relinquish control over to them.

12/1/2010 12:16:36 AM

Anyone else find it ironic that the state alcohol limit is 151 proof?

Is Bacardi lobbying for the fuckin Democratic party?????

12/1/2010 12:18:33 AM

Quote :

"Dear Mr. ThePeter, Thank you for sharing your comments and thoughts with us. All forms of alcohol, when abused, can be dangerous. However, of the over 1100 SKU’s (stock keeping units) we carry in our stores, 190 proof grain alcohol has 21% more alcohol per serving than any other product we sell! This is the reason we felt it was the most dangerous product we sold. North Carolina, as of today, is one of 15 states that have banned the sale of 190 proof alcohol (once local inventories are depleted). We strongly support this move although 190 proof will still be available by special order through the N.C. ABC Commission. As to my comment about “no redeeming social value”, that was my personal opinion. Again, thanks for taking the time to share your comments. Paul Paul Stroup III Chief Executive Officer Mecklenburg County ABC Board Phone 704 731-5902 NOTICE: E-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties."

12/1/2010 3:46:35 PM

^your reply was a lot better than mine.

Quote :

"Mr. TKE-Teg, Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and thoughts. Paul"

I think I would have preferred no reply to that lip service

12/1/2010 4:47:55 PM

Quote :

"although 190 proof will still be available by special order through the N.C. ABC Commission."

So much for a ban. Someone find out how much a case is.

12/1/2010 5:19:22 PM

Wait, what?

12/1/2010 5:21:38 PM

It's some asshat in on a power move to save face for soccer moms and other dumbasses.

12/1/2010 5:22:58 PM

just talked to the guy at the ABC store in mission valley

he's got 5+ cases of everclear left -- better get them quick

12/1/2010 6:01:45 PM

that fucker didn't reply to me!!

12/1/2010 6:37:20 PM

i got a decent reply back...but he just skirted the issue. i'll be firing back.

12/1/2010 6:51:46 PM

how bout emailing that shit stain and ask him what the fuck we are supposed to make pj and liquor kegs with now?

12/1/2010 6:59:35 PM

duh, 151 proof grain alcohol. You'll never know the difference--you just use more of it.

12/1/2010 7:24:58 PM

Good to know that they'll special order it. Limoncello isn't as good with 151 proof. Law is stupid though.

12/1/2010 7:25:16 PM

so how do you "special order" stuff? do i have to go into a store and buy it, then wait for it to come?

[Edited on December 1, 2010 at 7:43 PM. Reason : not that i'm going to. just wondering]

12/1/2010 7:43:18 PM

So get the sand out of your vaginas and start rioting in the streets. Prohibition didn't work before and it won't happen again.

I'm astraladvent and I approved this message

[Edited on December 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM. Reason : ]

12/1/2010 7:50:06 PM

Quote :

"Thank you for sharing your comments and thoughts with us. North Carolina, as of today, became the 15th state to ban the sale of 190 proof grain alcohol (once local inventories are depleted).The state is replacing this product with a 151 proof product and we strongly support this move, although 190 proof alcohol will still be available by special order through the N.C. ABC Commission. As to my comment about “no redeeming social value”, that was my opinion. However, my statement regarding 190 proof grain alcohol being the most dangerous product that we sell was based on the fact that we carry over 1100 SKU’s and 190 proof grain alcohol has 21% more alcohol per serving than any other product we sell. Again, thanks for your comments. Paul Paul Stroup III Chief Executive Officer Mecklenburg County ABC Board Phone 704 731-5902"

12/1/2010 9:21:35 PM

I drank half a bottle of straight Everclear one night for no particular reason. That was the last time I recall drinking liquor, it's been beer only for the last 10 years.

12/1/2010 11:43:15 PM

I got the same reply as others ITT

I replied back with this.

Quote :

"Mr. Stroup, Thanks for writing me back! Your explanation leads me to ask another question. What happens when, in the future, new ABC leaders feel that 151 proof alcohol is the most dangerous product sold in the stores? ABC leaders will claim that 151 proof alcohol has some percentage more alcohol per serving than any other products sold! The 151 proof alcohol will seem like the most dangerous product soil in the store and will move to stop selling it, opting for the 120 proof alcohol instead. When does the cycle end? Thank you for your time"

12/2/2010 12:09:20 AM

"soil"

12/2/2010 12:12:40 AM

Jesus people, can you at least proof read your emails so you don't look like a bunch of REtards?

I also sent an email to the ABC main office, this is what I got (and its much better than that Stroup POS):

Quote :

"Thank you for your note and for sharing your perspective. NC joins with more than a dozen other states in restricting or banning sales of 190-proof liquor products from retail shelves and has taken this step of delisting 190 proof products with the cooperation of the manufacturers. While these 190 proof products will not be stocked in the state warehouse going forward, they can be purchased through the state's special order program. To special order a liquor product that is not on the current stock list --including Everclear 190 or Diesel 190 -- you may go to any ABC store in the state, prepay and order these products by the case. Please let me know if you have any additional questions or concerns. Agnes Stevens NC Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission Public Affairs Director Phone: 919-417-0858 Fax: 919-661-5927 agnes.stevens@abc.nc.gov 400 East Tryon Road Raleigh, NC 27610"

So basically now you can't buy a bottle of the stuff...b/c it's so bad. But they don't mind if you buy A CASE.

12/2/2010 11:50:44 AM

i mean there are bars and stuff

12/2/2010 11:52:31 AM

New drink: Four Loko + Diesel.

I call it

The Patriot

12/2/2010 12:11:21 PM

Quote :

""soil""

Man, that's twice. Granted, I was working on my homework for a soils class and the spell check didn't pick it up. No excuse

12/2/2010 12:28:32 PM

Quote :

"New drink: Four Loko + Diesel. I call it The Patriot"

LOfuckingL

If I had been drinking something, it would now be all over my screen.

12/2/2010 1:08:02 PM

Yo this thread title is ass

12/2/2010 6:47:37 PM

BTTT

12/3/2010 10:27:16 PM