my dog never peed on my front door, but my neighbor has twice

1/19/2011 7:51:23 PM

dogs drink and drive all the time too

1/19/2011 7:55:15 PM

this thread brought some lols

1/19/2011 8:06:01 PM

Samwise16, I've never really taken you as an idiot/troll, but you're coming on pretty hard with the stupidity.

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"So this woman lets her 2 year old wander around, alone, while she's sleeping Nice."

First of all, the father is there.

Second of all, it is not uncommon for 2 year olds to wake up earlier than their parents, especially if the child is put to bed at 8/9 and the mother stays up till 11. What is the mother to do? Lock the child up in their room? Put it in a cage? Come on. Get real for fucks sake.

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"Well seeing as animal control was refusing to say whether it was still alive today, I'm going to guess she left it suffering."

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"And you'd think getting her toddler to the emergency room would be the first priority..."

So, she should have made sure it was dead, which would have taken extra time away from taking her daughter to the emergency room? Yet, you criticize her for not prioritizing her daughter. Please. Make up your fucking mind.

Are you concerned with the dog's well being, or the child?

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"For one, the dog obviously wasn't dead when animal control was called the next day."

You're really reading a lot into what animal control has said.

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"And you'd think getting her toddler to the emergency room would be the first priority..."

Eliminating the threat of danger is the FIRST priority. You have a pissed off, violent dog, running around attacking people. How do you get access to the child without getting rid of the dog? You don't. You get rid of the dog so you can have access to the child. And remember, the father is there. So in all likelihood, he grabbed the dog as it was attacking him, the mother put it on a leash and did the deed while the father attended his daughter to examine the extent of the injury.

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"If the dog is that vicious, grab your shit and leave it inside or knock it out with something in the house and have animal control come seize it after you get back from the ER or right that second"

If the dog is vicious, it's going to chase you while you try to grab your daughter off the ground, at which point, you're drawing the dog's focus back towards your daughter. This is undesirable. Even if you do get the girl off the ground, it requires you to stop, bend over and pick the girl up. Meanwhile the dog will just attack you. Then you have to grab your keys.

Sorry. Your stupid suggestion isn't plausible if you actually analyze what you're saying. You're going based off this idiotic assumption that the dog will fuck off and not bother anyone.

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"So getting away from the animal in question and getting your child who is bleeding from the face to the ER isn't the top priority.... Got it."

How will you "get away" from the animal? Run? Odds are, the dog can outrun her.



Now for those of you who are wondering how she got the dog, or think that she was just chasing the dog around. Did it occur to you that maybe the father caught it when it was attacking him, or she kicked it by surprise in the head/stomach? Then put the leash on the dog and grab it by behind the neck and dragged it out back where she tied it up, where she then shot it.

When she shot it, it's possible the dog stopped moving, but she didn't check for a pulse. Instead, she attended to her daughter and left.

1/19/2011 8:39:33 PM

If she was going to shoot the dog, she should have made sure she killed it. An injured dog is even more likely to bite somebody, if a neighbor or someone comes along.

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"Yeah for real... How the hell did she manage to bring such a vicious dog who was trying to attack people outside, and have it sit relatively still so she could shoot it"

Probably because it wasn't all that aggressive to begin with. Sounds like the kid just spooked the dog when he was sleeping (still no excuse for biting though).

1/19/2011 8:42:56 PM

I am going to sound like a crazy ghetto mother too but I'm not sure how calm I would be if a dog bit Maya's face. I can be one crazy-ass mother. I hope I would be calm but I don't know that about myself at this point.

1/19/2011 8:56:36 PM

you either get the dog years before a child, or the dog after the child is old enough to have control of the dog.

done and done.

1/19/2011 8:57:47 PM

it doesn't really take much time to pull the trigger a second time

1/19/2011 9:01:01 PM

with a shotgun you really shouldn't need a second time.
The dog still being alive the next day when the police showed up leaves a lot of questions on how well she can point and shoot.

1/19/2011 9:09:20 PM

merbig..... trying too hard yet again

1/19/2011 9:12:00 PM

^^Especially in such close proximity of her beloved child.

1/19/2011 9:14:33 PM

still illegal what she did. Firing a weapon inside city limits will be allowed in situations of self defense. Taking a dog out and "punishing" it or "eliminating the problem" is illegal. I bet if someone came in and saw the house, they would realize the child was in a bad situation to begin with (and merbig- you sound like the biggest troll of all saying that it is perfectly acceptable to leave a dog you have had for one month out and make it capable for your 2 year old to wander around while you are asleep- that is absolutely ludicrous).

not saying she didn't have a right to be upset, but the dog was no longer a threat and there was no need to do what she did (that is for animal control to decide). again, not saying she has no right to be mad, just not handled correctly and I believe this is some ghetto crap that happened, and anyone who thinks she should not be charged should should think about all the other possible charges they could pin on her and stop trying to be the savior of the less fortunate and realize that sometimes stupid jackholes are stupid jackholes. shooting the dog is not the only mistake here (and I hope child services looks into this)

1/19/2011 9:15:33 PM

1/19/2011 9:18:23 PM

^Basically my thoughts on this particular subject.

1/19/2011 9:18:39 PM

^^^^^ What am I trying to hard at? Trolling? If I'm trolling, I wouldn't reply to you in that manner. I would have just called you an idiot and told you to never reproduce.

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"The dog still being alive the next day when the police showed up leaves a lot of questions on how well she can point and shoot."

Where does it say the dog was still alive?

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"you sound like the biggest troll of all saying that it is perfectly acceptable to leave a dog you have had for one month out and make it capable for your 2 year old to wander around while you are asleep"

So, when you were growing up, you were locked in your room? Hmmmm... Ok.

And at the time, they had no reason to believe the dog was dangerous.

Believe it or not, I'm not trolling. I would have taken the easy bait and said something about how they had it coming for buying a pit to begin with. But as usual, TWW fails at identifying trolling.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 9:19:13 PM

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"with a shotgun you really shouldn't need a second time"

i've seen it take 4 shots to kill a dog. this was a rifle, but still, they were all to the head and it didn't die until the last one.

1/19/2011 9:24:21 PM

^^a dog that you have for one month and don't know how it acts? yea lets leave that out. and a 2 yr old kid? yea, lets give her free roam over the whole house.

if you can't afford a crate for your dog, you have no business with a dog or a kid. and if you can't figure that out, I think the same thing. I think you fall into that latter category

1/19/2011 9:28:20 PM

It takes less than a month to figure a dog out. Then again, I wouldn't have gotten a pit or any breed with a history of a short temper. Besides, I think crating a dog every night for a month is just cruel.

Second of all, who said the 2 year old had access to the whole house? Oh right, you did. Keep building the strawmen, faggot.

1/19/2011 9:32:04 PM

i've never had a crate for a dog, i don't think you can criticize them for that

1/19/2011 9:32:35 PM

Woman shoots daughter for biting dog

News at 11

1/19/2011 9:32:48 PM

crating a dog is cruel? you really have no idea what youre talking about

1/19/2011 9:33:28 PM

^reminds me of the bdmazur thread where his roommate gets on and calls him out for not knowing shit about dogs

1/19/2011 9:34:14 PM

^^ I didn't say that. Again. Read what I said again.

I said crating a dog every night for a month is cruel. There is a difference. We crated our Golden Retriever when we first got him for about the first week as he got acclimated. Then we just left the door open and could sleep in there (door open, again). He then outgrew the crate and we got rid of it.

But yes, I think making a dog sleep in a crate for 4 weeks or more is cruel. Hell, I think 2 weeks is cruel. You're not allowing them to spread their legs out, and I seriously doubt a dog, especially an older dog, is happy about being crated.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:37 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 9:36:59 PM

most people don't crate for a week and throw it away

most people consistently crate for a long time

1/19/2011 9:39:22 PM

^ Read what I said again. Where did I said that a crate is thrown away after a week? We got rid our crated when our dog couldn't comfortably fit in it any more. Hell, we kept it out for months, as it gave the dog a place to lay down. IIRC, we even put a bed in there. Part of it also had to do with the fact we were in a rental house where we agreed to not have a dog (encouraged him to lay in the crate to minimize fur).

1/19/2011 9:41:49 PM

you clearly don't understand the purpose of crating

1/19/2011 9:45:29 PM

Woman shoots crate for abusing dog

1/19/2011 9:51:12 PM

^^he clearly doesn't understand a lot of things

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:52 PM. Reason : ^]

1/19/2011 9:52:26 PM

You clearly don't understand the psychological effects throwing a dog in a crate has on them. I've never seen a happy dog in a crate. I've seen them cope in a crate.

But a crate can be used to help house break a dog. That is why we kept our crate too. We just didn't lock him up in night after a week or two. We left it open, and he slept in it at night. I'm not saying they should get rid of the crate. I think locking a dog in a crate every night for a month is cruel. If the dog isn't shitting everywhere, chewing shit up, or being disobedient, then there is no purpose in crating a dog. Doing it when it is not necessary, is cruel IMO. I would never do it to a dog if they don't need to be in the crate (what's the point if they don't need it?)

Biofreak70. Explain it to me then. Please. By all means. Do so. You are obviously more knowledgable on the subject than me. So tell me.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:53 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 9:52:52 PM

my dog loves her crate, pretty sure you're just doing it wrong

1/19/2011 9:55:34 PM

I would have done the same thing. I almost bashed my sisters dogs head in with a baseball hat the other day for jumping at me.

1/19/2011 9:57:27 PM

^^ My dog out grew his crate. We bought him a nice big bed for him to lay on. He seems to like that much better.

And there is a difference in a dog that willingly goes into a crate (not locked) and locking a dog in a crate. A difference you and your buddy are unable to differentiate.

1/19/2011 10:01:12 PM

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"my dog loves herhis crate, pretty sure you're just doing it wrong "

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"Where does it say the dog was still alive?"

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"The next day, Beatty said, she called police to have the dog taken to animal control. Police said the dog was still alive Jan. 12."

1/19/2011 10:09:28 PM

once again you prove that you don't understand the purpose of crating, you're making yourself look dumb

1/19/2011 10:12:04 PM

^^ You're right. I stand corrected. Been a long day.

^ How about instead of saying, "You still don't understand the purpose of crating," you actually explain it if you're so damn sure "I don't understand." Yeah, I know about the "giving it a place of its own" and giving it a place where it respects (ie, doesn't want to slip in its own shit), as well as giving the dog his place to get away, so to speak. I know it is used as a training mechanism.

But I ask you this, do you still lock the crate of your dog?

1/19/2011 10:17:02 PM

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"Beatty said she doesn't regret shooting the dog, which she said was a 1-year-old pit bull named Moo Moo"

This may seem like just another pit bull attack, but any dog would be mad as shit at its owners for being named Moo Moo.

1/19/2011 10:26:24 PM

Sounds like this lady fails all around, she has an agressive dog with a 2 year old, firearms, an injured kid, she shot the dog point blank but did not kill it, she is in the news looking like an irresponsible parent, she was charged with a crime for this (even though she reported it herself).

Seriously though they need to drop the charges, its not any worse than Franklin county gassing large groups of adoptable puppies at once. This dog seriously injured a small child inside the child's home there is obviously something wrong with it, it needs to be euthanized but I can understand in the chaos maybe the woman was not thinking clearly.

I changed my mind her yard looks like a trashy shit hole and she probably just leaves her dogs tied outside, she has no business with a dog to begin with. Let the charges stand.


[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 10:53:08 PM

holy mother of worthless without pics

1/19/2011 10:54:09 PM

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"it doesn't really take much time to pull the trigger a second time"

she shot it with a muzzle loading black powder gun, idiot.

1/19/2011 11:55:34 PM

So she is being charged with cruelty and discharging a firearm in public... btw, the dog was alive when authorities got there and had to be put down

1/21/2011 10:11:08 AM

Man this thread got preachy.

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"The dog still being alive the next day when the police showed up leaves a lot of questions on how well she can point and shoot."

Has anyone confirmed that this was the case? It sounds like nobody is saying whether the dog was alive or dead (other than the suspect), and it's speculation to say otherwise without confirmation from the authorities.

1/21/2011 10:20:11 AM

I just said the dog was alive and had to be put down...

most recent update on the story:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7910814


and if she was asleep, how does she know that the dog bit the kid and didn't scratch it? only time my dog has ever drawn blood is with it's claws (never on purpose, just running across my feet or jumping on my legs)

also, I like how her story keeps changing. At first she dragged it out into the yard and shot it there (why, I don't know). Now she said she shot it to stop it...

[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM. Reason : moar]

1/21/2011 10:20:57 AM

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"I've never seen a happy dog in a crate"

My dog loves his crate. He has a dog bed and never has slept on it, he prefers the crate. Also, a couple I pet sit for have dogs that are crated at night. Their boxer will bark at me ~10 pm to be crated if I haven't put him up yet. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of dogs that are miserable in one but not everyone

1/21/2011 10:33:03 AM

wait...they make a crate big enough for your dog?

1/21/2011 10:34:18 AM

The crate I use for peyton (not the travel one you saw) was one I got from a guy who used it for his great dane... haha it is plenty big for him to stretch out

and as I speak, he just relocated himself underneath the bed... I don't think he is claustrophobic

[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 10:40 AM. Reason : j]

1/21/2011 10:36:17 AM

Yeah most dogs I've seen like their crates. It's like their own little cave.

1/21/2011 10:45:28 AM

crates are great for helping dogs with separation anxiety issues.

1/21/2011 10:52:30 AM

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"I can't really see how an animal cruelty charge is justified."

because she likely did not immediately kill the dog, just fatally wounded it and let it die slowly in her yard.

1/21/2011 12:00:33 PM

so it's been confirmed the dog actually died?

1/21/2011 12:11:09 PM

the link I posted is the most up-to-date article on it (at this point)

the dog was not dead when authorities arrived, and was later put down due to injuries. So yes it suffered, and yes it was ultimately put down.

1/21/2011 1:16:11 PM