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"first, why the hell is she even talking about this at all?"

she is in a bitter custody dispute with the father of the child. article doesn't say that the father asked her what she thought their child was, but i guess she was just trying to say "the child is black, i am black, you are white, so i get to keep the child".

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"thought they call that chocolate?"

but that doesn't help either... there is dark chocolate, milk chocolate, and white chocolate. heck, there is even a dark milk chocolate

2/7/2011 9:39:04 PM

Overrated actress is apparently racist.

Next thread.

2/7/2011 9:40:31 PM

speaking of things that are half black and half white, I made white bean and black bean soup tonight. tasty!!

2/7/2011 10:11:50 PM

you beans are racists towards black.

2/7/2011 10:22:50 PM

"look to the cookie, Elaine! Look to the cookie..."

2/7/2011 10:30:08 PM

I'm a half moon cookie racist, I like the white part better

2/7/2011 10:31:48 PM

My mom makes some incredible cranberry oatmeal half moon cookies.

She uses those sweetened craisins and chopped walnuts or something.

2/7/2011 10:33:46 PM

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"Well, what's the word for it, Lana? You freaked out when I said 'Quadroon!"

2/7/2011 10:49:51 PM

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"There's definitely a thin line somewhere in the middle of racism and being proud of your heritage, but by implying that interracial relationships are actions representative of "abandoning your race" is seemingly across that line."

I don't understand being proud of something that you had no control over. I'm not proud of my skin color. I'm not proud of my nationality. Those things are just coincidences, really. I can be proud of my achievements, for instance, because I consciously pursued a path that led to them.

I don't know where I originally heard this Sam Harris quote, but I think it says what I'm trying to convey: "Whenever we get at the truth, we transcend culture, we transcend our upbringing. The discourse of science is a good example of where we should hold out hope for transcending our tribalism."

2/7/2011 11:00:32 PM

On the other hand, if you were raised and supported and identify with a certain cultural, racial, or ethnic group, then how do you feel if that same group perceives that you have abandoned them, and are no longer part of their group?

It is likely that based on the way she was perceived as a child, Halle grew up identifying more with blacks than whites, even though I think she was raised by her white mother. If that is the case, then her personal identity draws association from them. Now, as an adult, when other members of that group are labeling her as an outcast, it may be difficult to deal with. Not saying that you can't be perfectly comfortable not associating or labeling yourself in any way, but she may feel like a bit of a ship without a port if she cannot associate with the black community.

And I'm not evaluating her position, just providing a possible rationale.

2/7/2011 11:39:37 PM

I can't believe she would say something like this. Catwoman is forever ruined for me now.

2/7/2011 11:41:11 PM

^^Yeah, I could see why she would feel that way. The fault isn't really on her end, it's on the end of the people out there that would mentally exclude her from "their group."

2/8/2011 12:01:30 AM

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"On the other hand, if you were raised and supported and identify with a certain cultural, racial, or ethnic group, then how do you feel if that same group perceives that you have abandoned them, and are no longer part of their group? It is likely that based on the way she was perceived as a child, Halle grew up identifying more with blacks than whites"

Umm, you could ignore the 'group'?

I understand that as a child it is important because for children it is a big thing, the sense of belonging, and that's how they make friends and stay happy.

But she is 40 now. She has whatever friends she has, and they will stay her friends no matter who she sleeps with. What does she care about the greater black community in how they see her? Does it really matter to her/affect her whether they think she has abandoned them? They can have exactly zero affect on her or her happiness. So maybe she should grow out of this tribal mentality now that she is an adult...?


^ The fault IS on her end too; she is perpetuating this mentality. Every piece of trash thrown into the sea pollutes the sea. You can't say "but this is just a small bottle cap, it won't really matter". And actually in this case, it is not just a bottle cap, but a whole shipment of bottles she is dumping into the sea, seeing as how her celebrity status gives her a very wide audience.


[Edited on February 8, 2011 at 4:46 AM. Reason : ]

2/8/2011 4:44:26 AM

You only need to suck one dick to be a faggot for the rest of your life.

2/8/2011 7:22:29 AM

^ Now that, is definitely true.

2/8/2011 7:35:44 AM

Half moon?? Pffft. Are you freaks from upstate?

They're called black and whites cookies.

2/8/2011 2:27:31 PM

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"You only need to suck one dick to be a faggot for the rest of your life."

But after that one dick you can say "faggot" as much as you want to and no one can get offended.

2/8/2011 2:32:13 PM

as far as society is concerned, that's a black kid.

If she were to show up to a KKK rally (or a GOP convention...), they'd show her the door.

2/8/2011 2:45:59 PM

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"Half moon?? Pffft. Are you freaks from upstate? They're called black and whites cookies."

Black and white only works for that specific type.

You can dip any cookie in white chocolate and make it a half moon cookie.

2/8/2011 2:48:52 PM

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"Any black person who's dated outside of their race has taken flak from other black people. "

Yeah my last ex was black and boy did his mother make it amply clear she hated me because I was white My parents didn't like him because he was a loser but it took me about 2 years to reach that conclusion on my own Last I heard he's dating some ginger which I'm sure has his mom even more up in arms.

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"Half moon?? Pffft. Are you freaks from upstate? They're called black and whites cookies."

haha that's what I was thinking.


[Edited on February 8, 2011 at 2:52 PM. Reason : s]

2/8/2011 2:49:29 PM

One drop of hershey's does not chocolate milk make.

[Edited on February 8, 2011 at 2:54 PM. Reason : unless it's a tiny glass]

2/8/2011 2:54:17 PM

This comes up a bunch with mixed babies. I don't think that it is so much about racism, more than it is people trying to hold on to their culture. If she wants to raise the kid up as a black child around her family then so be it, fine by me.

But, I don't see how this should be a determining factor in custody though, which I am sure complicates things.

2/8/2011 2:59:08 PM

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"you don't have to be black to sport the horrible black attitude. I'm not racist, but when anyone starts to talk in that Ebonics shit, I'm walking out of the room. Its about as annoying as southern talk and chalkboard + fingernails."

Don't worry guys, I have progressed from racism to classism

2/8/2011 3:06:58 PM

damn straight. Stay classy tdub

2/8/2011 3:08:38 PM

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"as far as society is concerned, that's a black kid. If she were to show up to a KKK rally (or a GOP convention...), they'd show her the door."

The KKK becomes an indicator for normal societal interactions ITT.

2/8/2011 3:11:58 PM

what if said black kid was blind and was a huge white power moment figure head and had a 60 mins crew follow her?

2/8/2011 3:19:22 PM

^Dave Chapelle?

2/8/2011 3:27:16 PM

maybe

2/8/2011 3:29:40 PM

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"The KKK becomes an indicator for normal societal interactions ITT."

nope.

but white people don't generally agree on everyday situations where they factor in race, so i had to pick ones where they WOULD agree...

The point is, the average American would think of that baby as "black" or at least wonder "what race is she? Definitely not white"

[Edited on February 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM. Reason : ]

2/8/2011 3:34:21 PM

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"The point is, the average American would think of that baby as "black""

Data from similar past situations with other people?

And, UH NO. Only the white supremacists and generally posh classists holding on to whiteness/Englishness/Britishness would think of that baby as BLACK. And that's what 10%, max 20% of the population. You would have to be blind (or racist) to call that baby black. (And I am talking about White Americans only here... I have no clue how many Black Americans would think of her as black, because apparently, a lot of them seem to subscribe to the "one-drop" theory)

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"or at least wonder "what race is she? Definitely not white""

So? That's just curiosity, not racism or hatred. Nahla obviously doesn't look typical caucasian... (because she is 1/4 black) so what's the harm in asking/wondering what kind if mix she is?


[Edited on February 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM. Reason : ]

2/8/2011 3:54:16 PM

I'd think she was Greek, maybe Persian.

2/8/2011 4:03:39 PM

or Lumbee.

2/8/2011 4:05:07 PM

LOL

2/8/2011 4:06:46 PM

halle berry has proven herself to be a psychotic idiot in the last few weeks.

2/8/2011 4:07:06 PM

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"And, UH NO. Only the white supremacists and generally posh classists holding on to whiteness/Englishness/Britishness would think of that baby as BLACK. And that's what 10%, max 20% of the population. You would have to be blind (or racist) to call that baby black."

You don't have to be blind or racist to call that baby black. Just American.

I guarantee 100% she will be called a "nigger" by some white asshole kid trying to get under her skin when she gets in school.

2/8/2011 4:09:16 PM

If I saw that kid without the parents, I would think one of the following (going by facial features, and not factoring in the expensive clothes):

Yemeni
Amerindian
Ethiopian

And maybe some others which I can't think of right now.

2/8/2011 4:10:15 PM

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"American"

You just described what an American would call an "Arab".

And that is definitely not an Arab baby.

That is a black baby. As black as the night is dark. As black as a moth is attracted to a flame. As black as DnL has downs syndrome.

[Edited on February 8, 2011 at 4:11 PM. Reason : ]

2/8/2011 4:10:59 PM

And yeah, that kid in school is among the racists I indicated. But anyway, I was talking about opinions of adults [under calm situations], not what some kid/adult would call her if she was annoying them.

^ I have no clue who you are quoting there.

2/8/2011 4:13:29 PM