Hibbert: I don't understand. Are you saying you and Barbara are bad
neighbors?
George: No! That's not Bar and me, it's them!
Ned: Who, Maude and me?
George: No, the man and his boy. You know, the -- the boy is named
Bart. I don't know the name of the man. Bar! What's the name
of the man?
Barbara: [off-camera] I'm not getting involved, George.
George: Look, just never mind. I thought the banner was pretty
straightforward, but I'll just take it down.

6/28/2011 5:49:08 PM

Just politely tell them you're not interested in having a conversation. What do you think you're going to accomplish here? They've been trolled before.

6/28/2011 5:51:44 PM

enjoy your saturday

sounds pretty lame to me

6/28/2011 6:02:05 PM

ow my arach-nads

6/28/2011 6:10:00 PM

nothing but Arnold quotes

6/28/2011 6:14:02 PM

No, you only win by pulling off a threesome with them. Everything else you could do falls short of this. And . . . GO!

6/28/2011 6:20:28 PM

well I assume the start of it would be to bring up all the stuff science has proven wrong then maybe move on all the bad history stuff then prob to the more philosophical arguments about where religion ultimately gets humanity but if they send a the cute sweet innocent girls to do it like they did for me then just be polite about it

6/28/2011 6:22:54 PM

start telling them a story from "your own bible" and finish with the fresh prince song.

6/28/2011 6:27:00 PM

JK


DEEZ NUTS

6/28/2011 6:52:03 PM

Let's start here shall we.

Quote :

""All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him]." Luke 10:22 As for the trinity at creation: "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1"

I'm sorry, but none of that mentions anything about the trinity.

Quote :

"What you've done is establish an absolute. "All were gospels that were revered as sacred to the original christians" That is an absolute saying all Christians revered all the gospels. That is like saying all Christians revere the Pope or revere the book of Mormon. Even if the majority of Christians do, this does not mean that it is correct."

I never said that they were sacred to all christians, I said they were sacred to original christians. Of those first were many groups and you are correct in saying that they all had differing beliefs, customs and texts...some believed jesus was man, other believed he was god in the flesh other believed he was a prophet. Then there were gnostic christians whose beliefs were similar to many eastern theologies. These were all the very first Christians. The ones who lived when Jesus lived or immediately after. These small groups of people were the closest link to a living Jesus christ but even they could not agree on their beliefs. It amazes me that today people think Christianity is some pure and holy religion that has always existed infallibly in its present form.

Saying all this, I will note that I believe a few things in the bible and respect the book for what it is. However, understanding it's true history and seeing the mistakes and discrepancies within it it's not something that I could place my entire faith into. It would kinda be like trying to make a relationship work when I knew the girl was only telling me the truth 75% of the time.

6/28/2011 8:16:55 PM

Quote :

" I'm sorry, but none of that mentions anything about the trinity. "

Well if you don't think John chapter 1 describes the trinity acting in creation or at least the Father and Son acting in creation, I don't really expect you have any knowledge of the scripture.

6/28/2011 8:18:48 PM

You tell me where that scripture mentions the word "trinity" or the idea that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all the same being.

It's hard to reason with this.....


[Edited on June 28, 2011 at 8:34 PM. Reason : .]

6/28/2011 8:25:20 PM

Yes, I've seen that image before, but I'm not really sure what you're reasoning. I mentioned John 1 which mentions that Christ is God. The Word taking on flesh is the Son, God is the Father. Sorry the word trinity isn't directly used, but the word rapture appears a total of zero times in the Bible as well. I don't base my interpretation on preconceived societal notions, I base it on the exact meaning of the scripture. And I am always in the process of learning different things from a variety of different sources and people. The word of God is like a living work as it is constantly being expounded upon.

You'll have to forgive me if biblical logic appears circular to you. This is why salvation is based upon faith not works. That being said, this does not mean that blind acceptance in what others say is what needs to be had, but a careful, lifelong exposition of the word of God, a constant study and growth of faith is an important aspect of faith.

I recommend you read this if you still wish to understand the trinity and it's function: http://www.biblebelievers.com/Devries2.html

If you do not read it I'll assume you are not interested in the truth of the scripture or what it has to say.

[Edited on June 28, 2011 at 9:06 PM. Reason : ]

6/28/2011 9:00:26 PM

1) If God looks out for Christians, why aren't Christians more successful in their goal of spreading Christianity, evidenced by a decrease in people identifying themselves as Christians? Shouldn't God be helping Christians, at the bare minimum, successfully spread his word? What does this failure mean about God? Does this mean God doesn't intervene in our lives?


2) If God's will is inevitable, why doesn't God Will for more people to become Christians? If God loves us, why does Revelations predict the downfall and doom of humanity? Does God choose not to fight the Devil, or does the Devil's power rival God's?

3) If God helps Christians, why doesn't God help Christians find stable relationships, evidenced by the dissimilar (and worse by some studies) divorce rates among Christians?

4) (if they say it's the work of the Devil that causes people to ignore Christ) Does that mean that the Devil's power rival's God?
OR
Why do other religions have miracles too?

5) When Moses visited the Pharoah, the Pharoah's god turned his scepter into a snake, does this mean other gods have miraculous powers too?

6) Did the native Americans/isolated people living in 4000BC all go to Hell?
if they say yes -> God seems pretty evil and cruel, get out of my house
if they say no -> Why would God make it easier for them to go to Heaven than modern-day man?
other arguments about what happened, you'll have to think on your feet

7) Mark and Luke both say that blaspheming The Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin, does that mean i should just not bother with Christ if I have ever at any point in my entire life disrespected the Holy Spirit?
(LUKE 12:10, MARK 3:29 if they ask)

8) Will I remember by atheist mother/father/brother/spouse in Heaven?
If YES: Won't that make me sad? Won't I miss them? etc...
if NO: Doesn't that change fundamentally who i am? Why would my life on earth matter if I lose everything that makes me, me?

[Edited on June 28, 2011 at 9:11 PM. Reason : ]

6/28/2011 9:02:39 PM

^So I'm not trying to make this into a religion thread, guy. If you want me to address these questions take it to TSB.

6/28/2011 9:07:59 PM

6/28/2011 9:09:52 PM

6/28/2011 9:11:58 PM

If they are so-called literalists, just ask them questions about the age of the earth, and dinosaurs, and fossils, corral reefs, impact craters, plate tectonics, etc.

6/28/2011 9:16:56 PM

God gave us free will and that answers most of your questions. Free will to choose him or the devil. The devil was given power by God and exercised his free will to use that power for evil. If God, defeated the devil, he would be going against free will. So God has made a rule for himself to play by.

The mystery is, why did god give us free will? They say its because he loves us but whats the point of making us in the first place. Is god simply playing a game to see what we will do? If this is all true, I would say that God is no longer all powerful because he has limited his own power and apparently can't undo free will as evident by things like the holocaust, mass starvation, and war.

6/28/2011 10:14:20 PM