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"I WANT TO BELIEVE"

7/9/2011 1:23:55 PM

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""Unsolved Mysteries scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.""

Greatest show ever.

I have about 20 DvDs full of episodes that someone recorded onto VHS and then uploaded in a torrent.

The new Unsolved Mysteries is ok, but without the theme music and Robert Stack it needs a lot of work. They are taking story submissions at http://www.unsolved.com though, so hopefully the new episodes will bring back the creepiness.

7/12/2011 4:57:44 AM

I had a cat since I was five years old that died March 2010 (pics in gallery). Anyway, he always liked to jump onto my bed when I was sleeping and lay beside me.

This past April I felt something jump on my bed, similar to a cat, and saw nothing. I then felt it moving around me and it kneading the bedsheets. I heard the springs creak while this happened but saw nothing in the darkness. This has been going on since then, whenever I go to bed, maybe twice a week or so.

Sometimes I can feel it move toward my pillow and I'll see the sheet in front of my eyes move up and down as it is being kneaded.

This happens when I'm fully awake, so it's not hallucinations or anything.

edit: didn't believe in ghost pets before this, but I have believed in an afterlife for humans.

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 10:11 AM. Reason : d]

7/12/2011 10:08:22 AM

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"This happens when I'm fully awake, so it's not hallucinations or anything."

Hallucinations happen *only* when awake. When you're not awake they're called dreams. You're hallucinating, or more likely you don't realize that you're in a semi-lucid state and dreaming.

If it's happening consistently then record it or invite someone else to witness and record it.

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"edit: didn't believe in ghost pets before this, but I have believed in an afterlife for humans."

I know you don't think that you're delusional here, but don't you think that maybe you're just a little attached to a cat that you've had for most of your life and it's just wishful thinking combined with your half-asleep brain throwing some familiar senses at you? Is it really a good reason to believe in "pet ghosts" or the afterlife?

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

7/12/2011 10:35:53 AM

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"Unsolved Mysteries scared the shit out of me when I was a kid."

A couple of my friends were on that show. They were playing golf at the country club and the Unsolved Mysteries folks needed some extras for one of their recreations. They got paid pretty well iirc considering all they really did was play golf in the background or something.

7/12/2011 10:56:21 AM

My dad's a very sensible man, doesn't talk much, etc. but he told me for the first time a few years ago that he and his brother were driving through the woods deep in the backcountry in South Carolina on a hunting trip when they were young and they saw "something" flying above the trees around them.

They were staying in a hunting cabin and in the middle of the night they were awoken by knocks at the door and it was a USAF officer and two soldiers and the USAF officer was questioning if they had seen anything and then told them that they should never tell anyone what they had seen and that it would be a felony and they would go to prison if so.

He says that he doesn't really believe in aliens, but he doesn't know and can't explain what he saw, and why the USAF came to that cabin later that night.

7/12/2011 10:56:37 AM

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"Hallucinations happen *only* when awake. When you're not awake they're called dreams. You're hallucinating, or more likely you don't realize that you're in a semi-lucid state and dreaming. If it's happening consistently then record it or invite someone else to witness and record it."

This happens when I'm 100% awake usually within a couple minutes of laying down on the bed, or I'll wake up to it, so it could be hallucinations but they happen so regularly, it would seem strange if they were. I'll have to ask someone to come witness it, right now it's not that significant to me so I haven't requested anyone else to witness it. I don't think I'm going crazy or anything.

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"I know you don't think that you're delusional here, but don't you think that maybe you're just a little attached to a cat that you've had for most of your life and it's just wishful thinking combined with your half-asleep brain throwing some familiar senses at you? Is it really a good reason to believe in "pet ghosts" or the afterlife?"

I'm not in a dream-like state or anything of the sort. While I was attached to the cat, these are physical senses. Its still hard for me to believe in pet ghosts, but they are not the reason I believe in an afterlife. That comes from belief in God, which I've had for a long time.

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 11:13 AM. Reason : d]

7/12/2011 11:12:49 AM

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"This happens when I'm 100% awake usually within a couple minutes of laying down on the bed, or I'll wake up to it, so it could be hallucinations but they happen so regularly, it would seem strange if they were. I'll have to ask someone to come witness it, right now it's not that significant to me so I haven't requested anyone else to witness it. I don't think I'm going crazy or anything."

I'm not suggesting you're crazy. I'm suggesting you have a complex brain and physical senses are notoriously unreliable. It's also funny to me that although you're convinced that you're being visited by a "pet ghost" you don't find it significant enough to determine whether it's actually happening. Actually it's not that surprising, considering it supports your belief in the supernatural without you having to do any work.

However, if you can conclusively prove that it's happening, get the news or the University involved and then go make a million dollars. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 11:36 AM. Reason : randi]

7/12/2011 11:33:50 AM

Set up a webcam to record you sleeping every night for a few weeks and see what happens.

Also, in response to the thing with the Air Force dudes coming to the hunting cabin... it could easily have just been a highly experimental/top secret military aircraft that they saw.

7/12/2011 11:48:00 AM

It could have easily been a secret aircraft, etc., and most likely was, but did they fly experimental shit out of Shaw? and it was the early 1960s, and he said that what he saw was glowing green and hovering close to the treeline.

He had and still has no explanation but he doesn't think it was a plane or helicopter.

7/12/2011 12:27:35 PM

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"Also, in response to the thing with the Air Force dudes coming to the hunting cabin... it could easily have just been a highly experimental/top secret military aircraft that they saw."

Or they were drunk and made the whole thing up. Maybe he saw a movie with this theme or had a dream about it and melded it in with his actual memories. Or maybe when I'm older I'm going to screw with my son about stories I'm not supposed to tell anyone about because "why not?"

[Edited on July 12, 2011 at 12:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2011 12:39:49 PM

A girl died in 1933 by a homicidal murderer. Bruce Campbell buried her in the ground when she was still alive. The murdered chanted, "Clatu Verata necktie" as he buried her. Now that you have read the chant, you will meet this little girl. In the middle of the night she will be on your ceiling. She will suffocate you like she was suffocated. If you post this, she will not bother you. Your kindness will be rewarded.

7/12/2011 12:43:33 PM

^^My dad doesn't drink, and you'd have to know him for his account to really be scary.

I don't believe in any of this shit really, but it did/does freak me out about this because it comes from him.

7/12/2011 1:18:03 PM

I know man, I'm not trying to talk shit about your dad. He probably isn't fucking with you and really does believe it happened exactly as he remembers.

7/12/2011 1:43:06 PM

It probably was classified aircraft. Military technology is probably years ahead of what are aware of, it wouldn't make sense for them to disclose all their military spec.

7/12/2011 3:08:32 PM

itt disco_stu posts without an open mind

there are things that science cant explain

7/12/2011 3:16:41 PM

There are things which science cannot explain yet.

What science can explain is the utter fallibility of human sensory input and memory.

Even if the government came to your door and told you not to talk about something (why would they do this, wouldn't they just kill you if they wanted to keep you quiet? Who would believe you anyway right?) that doesn't mean the something you saw could not be explained. Maybe it was dark and you didn't get a real good look at it. Maybe one of the myriad of ways the pattern processing centers of your brain make you think you saw a pattern fired and it was illusory. Maybe you saw something, but you remember seeing something else. All of these are way more likely than "something paranormal happened."

Science can't explain everything, but every single time any paranormal claim has been put to legitimate scientific testing it has been falsified. Humans want to believe in the paranormal because it legitimizes (in their own mind) their supernatural beliefs which have no worldly evidence. They lie, and their brains and their senses lie to them.

7/12/2011 3:48:34 PM

When I was a teenager my family moved to a larger house that was just down the street. We had a big trampoline in the back yard. My mom thought it would be really funny if the kids just carried the trampoline in the middle of the road instead of packing it up. Well it turned out to be a pretty cold day, so we took the trampoline apart instead.

Years later we were talking about the move and my mom says, "Wasn't it hilarious when you guys carried the trampoline down the street!?" And I had to tell her, "Mom, that never happened." She had pictured it so clearly in her head that over the years, it got confused into a real memory.

Memory isn't a perfect record. You revise memories without realizing you're doing it. I think a lot of paranormal occurrences can be explained that way. Over time, you remember it to be stranger than it really was.

7/12/2011 3:50:23 PM

That's why the size of a fish you caught gets bigger and bigger each time you tell the story.

7/12/2011 3:55:24 PM

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"So ur with ur honey and yur making out wen the phone rigns. U anser it n the vioce is “wut r u doing wit my daughter?” U tell ur girl n she say “my dad is ded”. THEN WHO WAS PHONE?"

7/12/2011 4:33:58 PM

So a few years ago I made this cake for a Halloween party, and forgot to bring it to the actual party. No idea why, just left it on the counter after working on it all day. Check my photos and I can see (coincidental shadows/reflections?) a young girl in a white dress (or billowy sleeves) in the right eye. Weirded me out. Also, not as visible here, but as I turned the camera I could also make out an eyeball floating in the black space just to the right of the girl. Creepy.

7/12/2011 4:49:46 PM

Jesus in a grilled cheese.
A sailboat in the clouds.
Whatever the hell it is you're seeing on that cake.
Brains = imperfect pattern-recognizing machines.

7/12/2011 5:10:57 PM

My question to all you people who believe in ghosts:

From the brief research I did, the estimate from total births of humans is about 106,000,000,000. Even if this is inaccurate, just fathom the amount of people that have ever lived and died in human history.

With such a high amount of potential ghosts, why is there not 1 shred of substantial proof that ghosts exist?

If they theory that tormented spirits create ghosts, why is there not a ghost for every rape murder? Or no real ghost evidence at say Holocaust prisons?

This to me discounts any credibility or chance that ghosts exist.

7/12/2011 5:40:05 PM

If you already believe in something that has no rational explanation, you can make shit up to explain away any inconsistencies with reality. Maybe all the ghosts are stacked up in the same place and just come out in a reasonable amount. Maybe most of them have gone "beyond" and only a few remain behind.

I'll just stick with "there's been absolutely no evidence of their existence, but there has been plenty of evidence of hoaxes, photo manipulation, and just plain optical and photo-graphical illusions."

7/13/2011 9:05:56 AM

I was reading this thread right before I went to sleep last night and had a dream I saw Bigfoot.

Paranormal occurrence? Yes

7/13/2011 1:18:58 PM

disco_stu, have you gone out seeking the paranormal or are you just "one of those people" that just have an opinion.

7/13/2011 1:43:19 PM

disco_stu hasn't been proven wrong on anything, he is just condescending as fuck about everything on which he has an opinion

7/13/2011 1:45:46 PM

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"disco_stu, have you gone out seeking the paranormal or are you just "one of those people" that just have an opinion."

Tell you what gunzz. You come up with a feasible and falsifiable methodology for "seeking the paranormal" and I'll do it. Obviously ingesting things that are known to cause hallucinations are not proof of anything paranormal.

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"disco_stu hasn't been proven wrong on anything, he is just condescending as fuck about everything on which he has an opinion"

lol dweedle, u mad? I've been proven wrong on TONS of things. And if "illustrating how beliefs without rational explanation or evidence are unjustified" is condescending, then fuck it. I'll be condescending. It's worth it when the deluded majority loves to do bullshit like ban abortions, ban stem cell research, ban gay marriage, shoot doctors, let their children die instead taking them to the doctor, peddle homeopathy and other snake oil, try to change this country into a theocracy, undermine science education, etc...

[Edited on July 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM. Reason : can't forget about science.]

7/13/2011 2:01:50 PM

<crickets>

7/13/2011 5:18:35 PM

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"disco_stu hasn't been proven wrong on anything, he is just condescending as fuck about everything on which he has an opinion"

7/13/2011 5:27:49 PM

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"He says that he doesn't really believe in aliens, but he doesn't know and can't explain what he saw, and why the USAF came to that cabin later that night."

I wouldn't lump ghosts/animal spirits/magic and aliens in the same category. One is paranormal in the sense that its supernatural whereas the other is just paranormal in that its unlikely. But if there is other intelligent life out there, I doubt their idea of a good time is traveling to relatively primitive planets saying, lets waste some fuel to go scare the shit out of some hunters in the woods at night.

7/13/2011 5:49:16 PM

What I hear:

"I can't defend my silly unsubstantiated beliefs so I'll just call disco_stu a meanie-head."

7/13/2011 6:04:41 PM

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"It's worth it when the deluded majority loves to do bullshit like ban abortions, ban stem cell research, ban gay marriage, shoot doctors, let their children die instead taking them to the doctor, peddle homeopathy and other snake oil, try to change this country into a theocracy, undermine science education, etc..."

If you think all the Christians are the same why should we extend you the courtesy of thinking your any different than militant atheists? I feel that you are too grounded in Christian stereotypes to see any manner of individualism or distinction.

I for one agree with none of the things you mention and think all of them exist as things that are not for me to decide or weigh in on.

I feel that in truth we are both disgusted by the same thing, a corrupt form of Christianity. We are both distraught at the means of the corruption and the ends of the corruption.

7/13/2011 7:16:52 PM

Persecution complex much? Did I say Christians? When I said 'deluded majority' I was referring to people that believe in shit that has no evidence. This may include Christians, especially Biblical literalists such as yourself, but it also includes all the theists, all the people that believe in homeopathy, spirits, reikil, chi, out of body experiences, voodoo, cryptozoologists, moon landing deniers, conspiracy theorists, crystal healing, colon cleansing, and pretty much anyone who is not a skeptic in all of their beliefs.

It irks me that people can be so skeptical about every day things, like what our politicians say, or postings on an Internet forum, but when it comes to the beliefs in magical unseen beings which there is absolutely no evidence, they absolutely refuse to take a look at those beliefs in a skeptical manner. I suppose that's indoctrination and cultural reinforcement for you.

[Edited on July 13, 2011 at 11:15 PM. Reason : hehe]

7/13/2011 11:14:04 PM

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"they absolutely refuse to take a look at those beliefs in a skeptical manner."

And how should I look at it then so that it is in a skeptical manner? How do you know I haven't already?

7/13/2011 11:28:18 PM

Because if you did you wouldn't believe anything that was actually supported by evidence instead of interpreting non-evidence as evidence and acting like your beliefs are justified.

7/13/2011 11:38:22 PM

Anyone ever done the ghost tour in historic Beaufort? They claim that at night you can't take a picture of Blackbeard's house because your camera won't turn on, but as soon as you leave the camera will work. When we finished the tour I made my husband walk back to the house and sure enough, my camera wouldn't turn on. I always wondered if they had some sort of electronic blocking device set up in the front yard, but I can't imagine one that would only target cameras. We also did the tour before cell phone cameras existed so I wonder if it applies to cell phones now as well.

7/13/2011 11:42:57 PM

oh, hi. Didn't know the lounge was chit chat #2. Carry on.

7/13/2011 11:43:05 PM

I came in here with smores ready for some more stories but....
















disco_stu messed it all up

7/14/2011 12:07:08 AM

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"Science can't explain everything, but every single time any paranormal claim has been put to legitimate scientific testing it has been falsified.ans want to believe in the paranormal because it legitimizes (in their own mind) their supernatural beliefs which have no worldly evidence. They lie, and their brains and their senses lie to them."

Ok...so what about all the instances/occurances where it hasn't beenput to "legitimate scientific testing"? Are we to just ignore any and all of those? And what exactly is "legitimate scientific testing" for paranormal occurances?

7/14/2011 7:08:11 AM

Not ignore. Dismiss as fantasy until evidence is provided. There are millions and millions of stories told by humans on this planet and believing some without evidence without believing all of them doesn't make sense. What you do with every other claim you encounter in your life is not believe them until they are proven to your satisfaction.

You get a sweepstakes letter in the mail saying you won 100 million dollars. Do you just believe it and start spending money? Of course not.

Then why are stories about "paranormal occurrences" any different? Only because you want to believe them.

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"And what exactly is "legitimate scientific testing" for paranormal occurances?"

For example, testing whether remote prayer works for 3rd party heart patients. It doesn't. In fact the people who knew they were being prayed for fared worse.http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060403133554.htm

A legitimate scientific test is where you establish what conditions would falsify the claim, then run enough experiments with proper protocols to reasonably conclude whether it has been falsified. Then submit your findings to other people in your field to do their own experiments and check your data.

[Edited on July 14, 2011 at 8:44 AM. Reason : .]

7/14/2011 8:44:05 AM

^ he makes some good points

7/14/2011 9:20:37 AM

ugh, can we get back to more creepy stories? Bring your drama to TSB not The Lounge

7/14/2011 9:30:22 AM

fair enough, at the very least you're a well informed troll.

In getting back to stories.....

I'm not a believer of ghosts, persay, but I'm open to the idea. Alien species, I'm much more likely to believe.

Now when I was younger living in NYC my parents had a little split level house with a living room downstairs. I could swear at night when we were down there that when I looked up into the darkened kitchen that there were shadow figures up there. Creeped me the fuck out and I wouldn't go up there w/o the lights already on.

7/14/2011 9:34:49 AM

Ok. I believe in spirits. I said it. This is the lounge so don't make fun of me, motherfuckers.

So, I have had a few occurrences that were prob of coincidence but they have scared me none the less.

First. When I was little, my family had a wooden coffee table with two matching end tables. So I would always play underneath the coffee table because it was just my size. So, I recall markings on the table and I would always mention them to my mom and dad but they didn't pay attention to me. I later was talking to my mom about the markings when I was older and found they ended up being satanic.

So a few things happened while we owned these tables. There was one time that lightning hit our house and it was so weird. It seemed to come through the ceiling and looked like a ball of fire. It blew the fuse on the ceiling fan, our tv, and our cordless phone.

Another time, my father had this humongous wine carafe (a good 35 pounds)that was filled with coins that would usually sit on the shelf next to the table. One day, my dad decided to count the coins in it so he briefly placed it in the middle of the coffee table. Maybe all of us were imagining this but that damn thing pushed across the table, lifted a little bit off the table and fell to the floor cracking the glass completely strewing the coins all over the living room.

We also had kerosene heaters near the tables. My sister and I were both burned by them on two different occasions. I was twirling away from the heaters near the coffee table and kind of blacked out and ended up with my hand on the heater. With my sister (I chalk this up to curiosity of a 3 year old) but she ended kissing the heater and again it was near these tables as well.

So as far as the table are concerned we got rid of them and gave them to some of my dad's friends. We stopped having these weird occurrences happen. So my dad's friends started to have things starting to happen to them, with a major one being that the room these tables were in in their house caught on fire (the tables were not harmed). At that point we all were wondering if it had to do with those damn tables. DEMON POSSESSED!!

So to get away from the tables.

When I was around 12, I think, I was cleaning out my dad's shed in the back yard and for a moment, I saw an old man walking near our dog pens with overalls on, wearing a trucker hat, with a long sleeve flannel shirt on. I thought it was weird because it was summer and he was dressed like it was cold. So I put what I had in my hand down and then look up again and he was gone. It was so extremely weird but I did not feel scared for some reason. Well, when my mom's side were divvying up my great grandmother's things after she died, there was this picture of her and her husband that my grandmother took. I had NEVER seen her husband before because he had died like 25 years before I was born and I had NEVER seen any picture of him either. Her husband was wearing something similar to what the old man was wearing and the old man (from what I could tell from the distance) looked like my great grandfather. Weird. At that point I kind of freaked out.

And the last thing that was fairly crazy is my mom dreamed the way my uncle would die a couple months before he died. He was a construction worker that would be harnessed up the side of skyscrapers. Not sure if that makes sense and she dreamed that he he would not fasten the harness well enough and he would fall to his death. She never told him about that because she just thought it was a really bad dream. Well, that happened. He fell about 300 ft to his death (broke his neck).

I have had a lot of deja vu type experiences that I realized were originally dreams but I don't think that is paranormal.

7/14/2011 10:55:12 AM

Y'all should have burned those tables

7/14/2011 11:16:21 AM

Should of cast that out of your house.

And probably burned the table.

7/14/2011 1:15:50 PM

i am in no way laughing about the death of your uncle

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"He fell about 300 ft to his death (broke his neck)."

i laughed at the parentheses material, since it followed a 300-foot fall

7/14/2011 1:31:46 PM

^^^WRT the story about your great-grandfather, a very similar thing happened to my cousin. His father, my mom's brother, passed away suddenly at age 47. A couple of months after my uncle died, my cousin had a dream that his father came to him at night, and with him was a woman in a white dress that my cousin had never seen. Of course one is going to dream about a recently deceased parent, so he didn't think much of it. Later that year, he was visiting our great-uncle and looking through an old photo album when he came upon a picture, which he had never seen before, and was certain that was the woman who appeared in his dream, wearing the same dress. The photo was of our grandmother, who died before he was born. Picture was from the 1940's when she was in her 20s.

Memory is unreliable and all, but that was a little too peculiar to explain away easily.


[Edited on July 14, 2011 at 1:35 PM. Reason : clarity]

7/14/2011 1:32:04 PM

Is gunzz for real in here? haha

7/14/2011 1:33:49 PM