Fuck being the only white person to not inherit anything

7/27/2011 2:42:25 AM

^2 I disagree. Blacks as a whole are no longer moving up.

7/27/2011 8:22:34 AM

I don't know a single person, white or otherwise, who inherited a sum of money worth nothing.

7/27/2011 8:35:26 AM

^^^^ It was later than 1964. Even after than date, banks didn't loan to black where they would loan to a white or asian with the same income.



I know tons of people who have inheritances. They aren't going to flaunt it.

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 8:37 AM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 8:36:34 AM

Maybe you guys have that deep souf money. I grew up in and around military bases my whole life everybody was first generation middle class. Raleigh was probably the nicest area I ever lived as a youngin'

7/27/2011 8:39:19 AM

Ah yes, the "blame whitey" method.

7/27/2011 8:42:26 AM

I think it would help if the "I am owed something because people I don't know but related to were once mistreated" attitude was disposed of.

Why do you think there were so many first time for voters for obama last election??? Because people actually thought a black man would give them what try were owed. Sad part was, he isn't black.

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 8:51 AM. Reason : Sad]

7/27/2011 8:49:11 AM

and the "pay for my son's college because I spent money on rims and speakers instead of saving for my son's college"

7/27/2011 8:50:51 AM

your theory is that blacks spend earn just as much as whites but spend it on rims and its not only racist but far from the truth.

State oz is spot on and many whites try to do their best to hold on to this advantage by voting for politicians who will put policies in place to decrease mobility as much as possible. They want to destroy public education and social programs that allow the less advantaged to get on a similar playing field. Many whites fear that their children or grandchildren may live in a world where they actually have to compete with minorities on a level playing field instead of inheriting success.

7/27/2011 9:03:43 AM

no.

many poor people (and this is independent of race, you racist) are at fault for keeping themselves there and their kids/grandkids. It's not government policies or voting. Sure, poor people don't earn as much as rich people; but when many of the poor are wasting money on extravagant vacations (see Cali welfare recipients), stereos, rims, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, etc. then they don't have the right to bitch or demand more entitlements. Further, it is these spending habits which often prevent them and their kids from having economic mobility; not some left wing conspiracy theory of all white people trying to keep others down.

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 9:17 AM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 9:16:58 AM

7/27/2011 9:20:12 AM

Where do you think drugs came from? They magically hit the streets during the time of greatest class leaps by the poor.

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"many poor people (and this is independent of race, you racist) "

It is independent of race but we all know one race stole thier way to the top at the expense of another race. All the other races are in the middle while one race is at a distinct advantage and another is at a distinct disadvantage. Anyone that knows history understands that.

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" money on extravagant vacations"

If you lived a shitty life, you'd want to take a few days to live a decent quality of life as well.

"Screw art and enjoying life and buy into our system of exploiting others if you want to succeed!"

7/27/2011 9:24:17 AM

So the gov't is supply drugs to the people? I thought you lefties were pro-drugs anyways?

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"If you lived a shitty life, you'd want to take a few days to live a decent quality of life as well. "

Yeh, but people shouldn't be doing it on taxpayer dollars. They're supposed to be on welfare because they can't afford the essentials. Vacations are not essentials. If you've got the money to go gambling in Vegas, then you don't need a gov't entitlement. It's that simple. Welfare is to help those who need it; to buy food, water, etc. Not fund prostitutes and gambling.

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 9:27 AM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 9:26:17 AM

The whole white people inheriting stuff theory is misleading. Yea, we got a lot of stuff, but white people live a long-ass time. Thus, we don't inherit shit until we're super old.

Also, the graph is skewed because most Jews are white.

7/27/2011 9:28:49 AM

The problem is, is that you lefties don't want to solve any of these problems. You just want someone to blame, someone to call racist, and someone to steal more money from. The solution isn't Robin Hood. The solution isn't redistribution of wealth. The solution is to have real consequences for actions. The solution is to improve education. The solution is to find out why certain groups or areas or schools have less academic achievement and turn that around. Rich, poor, black, white, all go to the same public schools; some do well, others don't. There is no government policy destroying public education - that would be stupid. The majority of Americans, including rich white ones, go to public schools. Rich, white, black, and poor people succeed and fail in these schools. It's not a race or economics issue.

7/27/2011 9:34:51 AM

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-war-on-drugs/
And if you are talking about marijuana. Police really only patrol for it in poor areas. Every class uses it.

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"Yeh, but people shouldn't be doing it on taxpayer dollars. They're supposed to be on welfare because they can't afford the essentials. Vacations are not essentials. If you've got the money to go gambling in Vegas, then you don't need a gov't entitlement. It's that simple. Welfare is to help those who need it; to buy food, water, etc. Not fund prostitutes and gambling."

They are taking food money and doing this. That is one of the problems that comes from having the largest inequality gap in the world. we are the richest nation in the world but don't even live a top 15 quality of life because of our sky high inequality.

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"The whole white people inheriting stuff theory is misleading. Yea, we got a lot of stuff, but white people live a long-ass time. Thus, we don't inherit shit until we're super old. Also, the graph is skewed because most Jews are white."

Therefore, someone very close to you has money to get anyone out of a jam.

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"The solution is to find out why certain groups or areas or schools have less academic achievement and turn that around. Rich, poor, black, white, all go to the same public schools; some do well, others don't. There is no government policy destroying public education - that would be stupid. The majority of Americans, including rich white ones, go to public schools. Rich, white, black, and poor people succeed and fail in these schools. It's not a race or economics issue."

Kids spend 6 hours at school and 18 hours outside of school. It definitely is an economics issue even when they go to the same schools. And most schools are either largely affluent, largely middle class or largely poor. There aren't as many mixed background schools as you think. Also, private education is much more prevalent than you believe.

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"The solution is to find out why certain groups or areas or schools have less academic achievement and turn that around."

You contradict yourself. The problem is because their parents have less education and less money. The way to turn this around would be to give them education and money.

7/27/2011 9:44:37 AM

7/27/2011 9:45:40 AM

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"Rich, white, black, and poor people succeed and fail in these schools. It's not a race or economics issue."

… link?

You realize that literally none of the data out there supports your statement? It is overwhelmingly an economics issue. Poor generally stay poor, and because of jim crow, the blax started out poor. It most definitely DID start out as a gov. conspiracy to keep them down, and we are living that legacy STILL today.

It’s amusing you talk about fixing these problems, but can’t admit what caused them.

Just imagine in your brain a line graph showing the net worth of the black community starting from, say, 1900 to now. Is this a smooth line, or is it disjoint? Does it gradually increase or decrease over time? Where did it start off and how much has it changed since then?

If your theory were correct, it would have started off equivalent to whites, and then took a sharp turn downwards at some point. If my theory is correct, it would have started off really low, and gradually inched its way up over time… hmm...

7/27/2011 9:46:02 AM

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"So the gov't is supply drugs to the people?"

um, yes.

read about Barry Seal and former LA police officer, Michael Rupert.

as of 2007, 92% of the world's opiates originated in Afghanistan. from 2004-2007 there was more poppy cultivation in Afghanistan than in any single year under Taliban rule. this is according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. there's no reason not to be suspicious of our own government.

7/27/2011 10:07:19 AM

Can you guys please explain how the successful black people I know became successful?

Because you make it sound impossible.

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 10:18 AM. Reason : ]

7/27/2011 10:18:14 AM

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"Can you guys please explain how the successful black people I know became successful? Because you make it sound impossible."

The average black person from my estimation seems to have more common sense than normal, and they are generally funny and outgoing. It doesn't take much in the right environment for these qualities to make someone at least financially stable.

The real question you SHOULD be asking is where does that +$100,000 wealth come from for the white Americans...?

7/27/2011 10:41:26 AM

I don't claim to speak for everyone, but for me it came from working for over a decade with a grand total of about three unemployed weeks.

7/27/2011 10:43:51 AM

I went to college, got an Engineering degree, and got a job. I went to the University Alaska which will accept anyone, and cost less than $5000 a year to attend. The year I spent on exchange at NCState was by far my most expensive. I somehow even managed to parlay a degree from a school in bumfuck Alaska to a job in software engineering with a company that literally sits at the foot of MIT's campus. All of this happened because I am white, I am not denying that.

I'll add that I grew up in DC where I was a minortiy, and Lancaster CA, where it was about 50/50 with Hispanics. We had bilingual teachers and errything. My parents were smart though, and raised us well. I blame them for my success. My mother is the son of an Iowan farmer with 5 kids, my dad came from a broken home in the middle of nowhere Oklahoma. They both ran off to the military and made something of themselves. Something that is available for most anyone that wants to escape their past and create a better life for themselves.


[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 10:52:31 AM

no we are ass holes. stop breevin in all my air. wide nose havin motherfuckers

7/27/2011 10:54:34 AM

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"I don't claim to speak for everyone, but for me it came from working for over a decade with a grand total of about three unemployed weeks."

So are you only 10 years old? What did you do before that?

7/27/2011 10:55:09 AM

You're intentionally misinterpreting what I said.
When I was 22 I had a net worth of probably less than $3,000.
I have had gainful employment for a decade and I have made good financial decisions with the money that I earned in that time period.
I haven't inherited anything except a BBQ chopping knife, an end table, and good work ethic.

My parents grew up poorer than most of you could imagine. My father's family were tenant farmers and he spent most of his childhood living in houses with dirt floors and no heat. My mother's family were also tenant farmers, but they only worked on one farm their whole lives and therefore had a stable home on that farm.

If I have benefited from anything it is from my parents' hard work. It has nothing to do with some legacy of inheritances used to prop up our family nor does it have anything to do with a secret good ole boys club which we were automatically included in by being white.

Sorry to burst your bubble. At some point I think all people should let go of their past and decide who they want to be. I'm not where I want to be in life, but I don't blame anyone but myself. Nor am I relying on anyone but myself to get me where I want to be. It's part of being a grown ass man.

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 11:16 AM. Reason : s]

7/27/2011 11:14:32 AM

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"no we are ass holes. stop breevin in all my air. wide nose havin motherfuckers"

OMG WILL...REALLY?

7/27/2011 11:30:42 AM

He's trying to quote the blind black KKK guy from Chapelle Show.

7/27/2011 11:41:04 AM

I give him hell for all his racist talk He should have known I'd say something!

7/27/2011 11:42:41 AM

lol

7/27/2011 11:43:03 AM

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"You're intentionally misinterpreting what I said."

Sheesh, 20x the net worth of everyone else, and STILL so defensive. What an asshole...

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"If I have benefited from anything it is from my parents' hard work. It has nothing to do with some legacy of inheritances used to prop up our family nor does it have anything to do with a secret good ole boys club which we were automatically included in by being white."

Even to this day, merely being white gives you an advantage in finding jobs, getting public assistance, dealing with banks (to get student loans, auto loans, etc.), living in a good neighborhood, and dealing with the judicial system. This doesn't necessarily mean you benefited from each of these things, but it's very unlikely your whiteness hasn't helped you out at all to get where you are. Sorry to burst your bubble.

7/27/2011 11:47:19 AM

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"Can you guys please explain how the successful black people I know became successful? Because you make it sound impossible."

First of all, not all black people have descended from slaves, there were some very well off blacks in this country at all times of history. This has lead to some very affluent black neighborhoods. Then there are exceptional people of all races who can come up from any terrible situation. Republicans and people like Cain love to pretend as if since they did it, everyone else should do it when it still requires quite a bit of good luck.

Once somebody becomes affluent, then its more of a chance thier children will be affluent and so on.

^6

Its also still much easier for whites to get jobs and promotions in both the private sector and military than it is for whites. You may have worked your way upfrom nothing but it would have been that much harder if you were black.

7/27/2011 11:48:11 AM

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"Where do you think drugs came from? They magically hit the streets during the time of greatest class leaps by the poor. "

lol, totally true. Crack cocaine destroyed communities. No really. If crack never existed there would be huge groups of affluent blacks who are instead completely economically devastated.

I don't hold to the idea that crack was a CIA conspiracy designed to stop the rise of minorities, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was a conspiracy by some organization somewhere, designed to do that.

But seriously, one way or the other, they got screwed by drugs.

7/27/2011 11:49:32 AM

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"It’s amusing you talk about fixing these problems, but can’t admit what caused them."

it doesn't matter at this point what caused the problems- the point now is that we gotta fix them. It is like all the lefties sitting here blaming Bush for all our economic woes, yet not acknowledging that nothing is being done by their savior about the problems, and things are still just as bad

7/27/2011 11:54:31 AM

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"it doesn't matter at this point what caused the problems- the point now is that we gotta fix them. It is like all the lefties sitting here blaming Bush for all our economic woes, yet not acknowledging that nothing is being done by their savior about the problems, and things are still just as bad"

LOL

So it doesn't help to know what actually causes a problem in order to figure out how to fix it?

ha

you're an idiot

7/27/2011 11:56:37 AM

no- it doesn't help to sit here and blame generations past for our current problems and do nothing to actually fix them. yes, you don't want to repeat mistakes, so to know what went wrong is important. But to make that the focal point of your argument (or your only argument) is stupid

blame game does nothing


you truly are a moron



[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM. Reason : d]

7/27/2011 11:58:12 AM

ITT I feel even worse being white and not wealthy

7/27/2011 12:01:12 PM

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"Even to this day, merely being white gives you an advantage in finding jobs, getting public assistance, dealing with banks (to get student loans, auto loans, etc.), living in a good neighborhood, and dealing with the judicial system. This doesn't necessarily mean you benefited from each of these things, but it's very unlikely your whiteness hasn't helped you out at all to get where you are. Sorry to burst your bubble."

Shit like this is why I should just dip out of these conversations.
No, I don't think I've benefited in any notable way from any of these things that you mention.
Yet you ignore all of the programs, both public and private, designed to help people overcome any barrier that may exist.
But what it really comes down to is that most people will reap what they sow. There will be some setbacks along the way, but that is to be expected.

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 12:02 PM. Reason : l]

7/27/2011 12:01:57 PM

There's lots of programs to help people in these situations (well maybe not for long), but they don't do much to educate folks about them

7/27/2011 12:07:38 PM

^^ Freakeconomics sent out a resume with all the content identical with a black name and a white name and the white name got 50% more responses.

You've taken the fact that racism can't be identified on an individual level to mean discrimination isn't there. That is a fallacy. There are disadvantages to being non-white, non-asian, or more generally, non- whatever it is that gets the jobs.

If the only discrimination that can persist is the subvert kind that can't ever be linked to a perpetrator, then that is not sufficient to say that discrimination doesn't exist. Is it possible to ever completely get rid of it? Maybe and maybe not.

7/27/2011 2:34:00 PM

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" LOL So it doesn't help to know what actually causes a problem in order to figure out how to fix it? ha you're an idiot "

well an actual worthwhile suggestion from you would be nice but I have a feeling you'll say something really odd and radical, and AA and race is a very real aspect of getting in to college lately as studies have proven so don't act like it's still nothing but disadvantage

7/27/2011 3:05:10 PM

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"no- it doesn't help to sit here and blame generations past for our current problems and do nothing to actually fix them. yes, you don't want to repeat mistakes, so to know what went wrong is important. But to make that the focal point of your argument (or your only argument) is stupid blame game does nothing "

You're right, the past doesn't really have an affect on the present. I should have realized this all this time...

7/27/2011 11:36:16 PM

Fact of life: People aren't born on an equal playing field.

It sucks.

7/27/2011 11:47:16 PM

^


"In 2009, the median net worth of white households was $113,149, compared with $6,325 for Hispanics and $5,677 for blacks. That gap is about twice as large as the 1 to 10 white-to-minority wealth ratio that prevailed during the two decades before the recession.


They definitely are not...

7/27/2011 11:53:31 PM

7/27/2011 11:57:17 PM

^^ What's stopping them from buying property?

I know there are still racist pricks out there, but to say that its so rampant they prevent every honest hardworking minority from buying property is absurd.

Considering the income inequality is nowhere near the wealth inequality there is definitely something else going on...

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 12:05:30 AM

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"I know there are still racist pricks out there, but to say that its so rampant they prevent every honest hardworking minority from buying property is absurd. "

... Who's saying this at all?

I'm sure non-whites can and do buy property. But it's only been the past few years blacks as a group have had the opportunities to allow them to purchase a real house that it'll be another few decades before these show up as real net worth (because they would still be paying these loans off).

Meanwhile, whites have been buying nicer houses for centuries, and have had a MUCH longer time to pay them off, so it would show up in the numbers as net worth. This wealth passes from generation to generation keeping this empowered majority on top while the embattled minority group struggles trying to start from scratch.

These numbers actually don't imply present-day racism. They clearly point out though that past centuries of racism still take their toll today, despite the naive, ignorant claim of some people that the past apparently doesn't matter.

It would be interesting to see gross-worth:debt plots on each group.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 12:15 AM. Reason : ]

7/28/2011 12:14:50 AM

Ok, I'm on the same page now. I completely agree with you, to be honest

On a random tangent, just looking at a few coworkers that have the fortune of being born into the right family, it pisses me off sometimes thinking that they have such an easy ride through life, financially speaking, and they don't even realize it...and take it completely for granted as if everyone else has it just as easy.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 12:29 AM. Reason : this phone is pissing me off]

7/28/2011 12:28:49 AM

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"and they don't even realize it...and take it completely for granted as if everyone else has it just as easy."

Is there anyone who doesn't at least slightly take what they have for granted. Tis the nature of the beast.

7/28/2011 12:32:43 AM

i was an a hole to a homeless guy today that asked me if i had any work. i told him i didn't because i was doing it all myself.

MORE FOR ME LESS FOR HIM. but only because he is black.

he also gave me some sob story about how he cant work for the labor pool because they only pay $40 per day and the work is too hard. he asked if i would work for that and i told him i would if i was hungry enough

7/28/2011 9:12:54 PM