have you been anywhere (restaurant, resort, cruise.) that said no college kids? how about servicemen?

This group has a history of loudness, property damage, etc.



If someone brings a screaming child to a classy joint you brow beat the shit out of them you tell the management. I think its a slippery slope to deny admittance to people who fit certain demographics.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 11:13 AM. Reason : .]

7/28/2011 11:05:21 AM

^ yeah but at 3 in the morning.

i rarely see a 23 year old making a commotion at bonefish grill at 7 pm on a thursday night.
and if they do they're asked to leave.
try telling that to a mom who thinks her kid's yelling is "cute"

7/28/2011 11:13:47 AM

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"Then the solution should not be "no kids allowed" but rather "management reserves the right to ask misbehaving families to leave if they disturb other patrons." That seems more all inclusive, and covers obnoxious diners as well as screaming children."

Why does inclusiveness matter? Even if you ask families to leave, there will always be that one mother who cannot BELIEVE that you have a problem with how she is raising her children. This person will still cause a scene.

There are women's only gyms and members only private clubs, so it has been established that groups can chose to exclude a specific class of people on the premise that it detracts from the desired atmosphere of the members. There is nothing fundamentally different here.

7/28/2011 11:16:11 AM

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"here will always be that one mother who cannot BELIEVE that you have a problem with how she is raising her children"

oh yeah

7/28/2011 11:17:15 AM

I suppose a lot of people have become immune to guilt through odd stares and furrowed brows. It still works on me.

7/28/2011 11:20:09 AM

I fully support this, and have been talking about it with regards to airplanes and other more obvious places for years (just like I'm sure most people have). Shortly after I read the article about the restaurant in Pittsburgh about a month ago I sent the restaurant an email of support.

I don't really see where there's a real valid argument against this...nothing that's been said on that side holds any real weight, especially considering Maximus doesn't seem to actually understand his own argument, or what a free market is.

7/28/2011 11:24:40 AM

i guess i don't do enough fine dining and i'm stuck in business class not first, but i'm only ever annoyed by crazy kids running around in somewhere like fred lobster, and it comes with the territory.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 11:31 AM. Reason : .]

7/28/2011 11:29:02 AM

Fred Lobster is a son of a bitch

7/28/2011 11:30:21 AM

i, too, fully support this

7/28/2011 11:48:10 AM

^^Goddamnit Ernie beat me to it.

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"All the people posting in this thread saying what should be done when a kid starts crying in a restaurant are neglecting that this movement is catching on because so many parents don't do those things. Yes, some people have well-behaved kids who do fine in nice places most of the time. Yes, some people do take their children outside when they misbehave lest they annoy other people. But a lot don't. It's not the good parents this is aimed toward; it's the shitty ones who want to be their kid's friend rather than parent and let them get away with anything and think it's cute, or self-expression, or whatever. To those saying "if you don't like kids, just go somewhere without them": I think that's the point. What happens when you go to a nicer establishment where you'd expect to be free from children behaving badly and halfway through your meal you realize there's a kid banging on the table next to you and screaming, and the parents think that's OK? It's those types of places I can see this catching on."

Hit the nail on the head. Straight-up saying "No Kids Allowed" prevents the unnecessary drama of a policy where they ask families to leave. It's much better for the family to just know that they need to go somewhere else right off the bat than to sit down, be into their dinner, their child start a ruckus, then get into conflict with managers asking them to leave. That would be an incredibly abrasive scenario and would benefit no one.

Personally I don't like that parents take their kids to movies when they're too young to watch movies, but I understand that not everyone can have someone look after their kid for a short period of time. That being the case, if you HAVE to take your kids to a movie (and you never HAVE to), never take them to an adult movie, PG-13 or R or whatever. I'm sorry, but if they do throw a tantrum during the paramount scene of a movie I paid 10 bucks to see, and is a movie in no way appropriate for children, it wll be annoying.

7/28/2011 12:49:39 PM

Here is a solution to all you Jim Crows out there:

Don't offer equipment to handle children e.g. highchairs.

Don't offer a kids menu and add a split charge if people want an extra plate.

Problem?

7/28/2011 1:12:20 PM

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"FRED LOBSTER"

I'm using this!

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 1:19 PM. Reason : hi, my name is fred and i'm a lobster]

7/28/2011 1:19:24 PM

I totally support this... mostly because seeing a baby/toddler eat grosses me the fuck out.

7/28/2011 1:19:58 PM

^My friend says the same thing. He can't eat if there's a baby around. Because he can't stop thinking that the baby poops and eats at the same time.

7/28/2011 1:24:30 PM

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"Why does inclusiveness matter? Even if you ask families to leave, there will always be that one mother who cannot BELIEVE that you have a problem with how she is raising her children. This person will still cause a scene. "

Exactly. A couple months ago I went to an eight hour home buying seminar. Think about that. Eight hours, sitting in a hot room, listening to people drone on about the nuances of buying a house. It's barely interesting for adults. Yet this couple brought their toddler to the seminar. And for eight hours that child screamed and cried and whined. At about the seventh hour, a guy in the class finally got fed up and asked if one of them would please bring their child outside. The father got PISSED and started to try and pick a fight with the guy, at which point everyone else in the class told him to go fuck himself and bring his kid outside while he was at it. I imagine this couple acts the same way when they bring their kid to a restaurant, or the movies, or anywhere else for that matter.

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"Here is a solution to all you Jim Crows out there: Don't offer equipment to handle children e.g. highchairs. Don't offer a kids menu and add a split charge if people want an extra plate. Problem?"

I have been to plenty of restaurants that do this and STILL people bring in their small children. There are parents out there that are dense as hell and can't pick up from social cues and contexts that some places just aren't meant for children, particularly bratty ones. If a private business owner doesn't want to deal with that sort of clientele, it's within his rights to advertise as such.

7/28/2011 1:33:40 PM

All parents with children must suffer for a few times you didn't enjoy your Cheddar bay biscuits in perfect Serenity

7/28/2011 1:39:19 PM

I'm not exactly sure what your argument is. There are plenty of restaurants that are perfectly fine with kids. There are a smaller percentage that would prefer not to have them around. Why as a parent would you want to go to one where children aren't welcome when the vast majority of restaurants do welcome them? It's really no different from someone not going to a restaurant that they know actively encourages children to be there.

And nobody cares about kids that are well-behaved being in restaurants. It's the brats with shitty parents that ruin it for everyone else.

7/28/2011 1:44:42 PM

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"And nobody cares about kids that are well-behaved being in restaurants. It's the brats with shitty parents that ruin it for everyone else."

I think that's his ^^ point. By banning all kids, you're punishing the well-behaved children and parents for the shitty parents.

7/28/2011 1:45:59 PM

why do people take their 2 year olds to red lobster anyway?

its not to savor the crab legs.


is it attachment?




[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 1:48 PM. Reason : sfdfdf]

7/28/2011 1:47:27 PM

I like this. not fully the child's fault but the parents.

I was never a screaming brat i knew better b/c of the spanking i could get.

7/28/2011 1:48:46 PM

^^^Then take it up with the shitty parents. Actively call them out when you see them allowing their children to be horrid. Maybe if as a society we take a stand against shitty parenting things will get better and parents will be embarrassed when their kid is acting awful in public. But to say that a restaurant HAS to allow children because only some are brats is silly. Does a child REALLY need to be at Solas late on a Saturday night? No and I think it would be perfectly within Solas rights if they wanted to actively advertise as such.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM. Reason : s]

7/28/2011 1:48:57 PM

I think its hard to find a sitter for 1.5 hours of endless shrimp

7/28/2011 2:01:35 PM

my point on the first page was that fred lobster would never adopt this no-kid policy. it was an example of a restaurant that i would want all the bad parents to continue to bring their bratty kids to while those who think like us continue to avoid going there.

hopefully none of you people consider fred lobster a high end establishment and a great choice for an adult night out. unless you're black.

7/28/2011 2:02:41 PM

^^ add that to the neighborhood sitter wanting $10/hr because they took a red cross class and you add 40% to your bill

7/28/2011 2:04:00 PM

i dont go to the opera enough to be bothered by screaming children, but when i go somewhere classy I cant really remember an experience that was detracted by a bad kid.

its only moe's, chik-fil-a, movies, and fred lobster.

I don't think i'm an outlier.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 2:05 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2011 2:04:01 PM

Red Lobster is only for special occasions. Long John Silver's is fine for a normal date night.

7/28/2011 2:09:19 PM

I have brought my 10 month old to Angus Barn, 42nd St, Sullivans, Second Empire, etc, etc, etc

I wish I had a mirror to show people how messed up their faces look when he starts screaming or throwing food/utensils/fresh poop

7/28/2011 2:12:02 PM

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"I think its hard to find a sitter for 1.5 hours of endless shrimp"

lol

7/28/2011 2:15:19 PM

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"I have brought my 10 month old to Angus Barn, 42nd St, Sullivans, Second Empire, etc, etc, etc I wish I had a mirror to show people how messed up their faces look when he starts screaming or throwing food/utensils/fresh poop"

Assuming you're not trolling, then you are exactly the reason why I support restaurants banning small kids. Shitty parents like yourself don't have the sack to control your kids.

7/28/2011 2:29:26 PM

come on Bobby, my kid isn't allowed at restaurants above Golden Corral unless my family knows the management/can get a closed off room.

I have been to those places without my son, but never seen a kid less than 12 or so. I understand that there may be restaurants trying to boost their clientele/image by banning kids but the good restaurants don't have to.

7/28/2011 2:59:26 PM

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"why do people take their 2 year olds to red lobster anyway?"

To fuck with their little minds

"Yeah, that lobster is pretty good. You remember that tank up front? Guess what, little buddy."

7/28/2011 3:09:54 PM

there must be a demand for it, or they wouldn't be doing it.

7/28/2011 3:09:58 PM

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"I fully support this"

Quote :

"Straight-up saying "No Kids Allowed" prevents the unnecessary drama of a policy where they ask families to leave."

I have been to places that had a "family" seating section. I actually think this was the Red Lobster in Statesville. It was pretty awesome. They had a section of the restaurant that had nothing but 2 person tables as well.

7/28/2011 3:20:00 PM

separate but equal

7/28/2011 3:33:03 PM

kids ain't equal

7/28/2011 3:34:16 PM

I have a fucking solution!

7/28/2011 3:36:15 PM

A place should try built in day care. You pay full entree price for the child, say 20 bucks, and in return he goes to a room with all the other little shitstains where they're supervised and can watch Dora and eat cut up hot dogs and dunkaroos. You can enjoy your meal in peace, and the resteraunt avoids ostracizing anyone.

7/28/2011 3:38:21 PM

dunkaroos


i loved those things

7/28/2011 3:41:36 PM

you can just be a bitch and always try to pawn your kids off on your in-laws on friday nights like they don't have their own shit to do.

oh wait, that's my sister in law.

7/28/2011 3:51:43 PM

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"A place should try built in day care. You pay full entree price for the child, say 20 bucks, and in return he goes to a room with all the other little shitstains where they're supervised and can watch Dora and eat cut up hot dogs and dunkaroos. You can enjoy your meal in peace, and the resteraunt avoids ostracizing anyone."

That's a liability lawsuit waiting to happen

7/28/2011 3:54:55 PM

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"I think that's his ^^ point. By banning all kids, you're punishing the well-behaved children and parents for the shitty parents."

The point is that the well-behaved children with not-shitty parents is the exception, and as we all know, the exception does not make the rule.

7/28/2011 3:56:06 PM

When I was in Hawaii, I was at staying at the Four Seasons and had dinner at Wolfgang Puck's restaurant. I think the bill was a little over $200 for 2. Despite the lovely view and okay food [not super impressed], it was ruined by a family sitting next to us, with several kids that had no business in a fine dining establishment, running around and yelling.

While I didnt have a problem with the kids being in there, if they were going to misbehave, then they could have taken a table in the back.

I am sure they probably wouldnt have liked me yelling FUCK every other word loud enough for their 5 year olds to learn, so I would have appreciated them understanding that we wanted a nice meal out.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2011 3:57:14 PM

Cruises have a kiddy kennel

7/28/2011 3:58:02 PM

^ You also sign waivers to let your kids into the kid activities on a cruise. Although I guess restaurants could do that too and take out liability insurance and seriously up their operating costs.

7/28/2011 4:01:01 PM

I was at a bar in Raleigh (whatever is in the place that Playmakers used to be) at around midnight on a Friday. I was in the bathroom, relieving a day's worth of Yuengling from my bladder, when all of a sudden these two kids anywhere from 6 to 10 years old come in, splashing water all over each other. i asked them why they were there, and before they could answer, told them they had terrible parents, and to go tell them i said so.

why would a bar allow those kids that late? most places at least make you be 18+ or 21+ past like 10 or 11

7/28/2011 4:01:32 PM

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"A place should try built in day care. You pay full entree price for the child, say 20 bucks, and in return he goes to a room with all the other little shitstains where they're supervised and can watch Dora and eat cut up hot dogs and dunkaroos. You can enjoy your meal in peace, and the resteraunt avoids ostracizing anyone."

The owners of the melting pot at southpoint sorta did this. The opened a "drop-in" center two doors down that's basically like ad-hoc daycare/babysitting for relatively cheap (http://www.greenkidsfun.com/). It's cheaper than a babysitter ~$8 an hour. We probably drop our kid off about once a week for a few hours when we go out somewhere nice. it's a pretty good idea, and I imagine very very profitable.

7/28/2011 4:01:40 PM

If you're talking specifically about children old enough to be self-aware then yes. But I know people who think that infants-toddlers' behavior is directly due to their parents. In that case, good or bad parents could have little ones who need a nap and get fussy.

As far as older kids, maybe as a parent my standards for kid behavior has changed but I don't think bad parents are the overwhelming majority. But yes there are plenty of bad parents and just like bad traffic, the bad ones are the ones you remember.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 4:02 PM. Reason : ^Netstorm]

7/28/2011 4:02:26 PM

^^ That's pretty cool. I'm surprised it hasn't caught on more.

7/28/2011 4:04:28 PM

Dear parents: No one gives a shit about your little crotchfruit except you. They're not cute, they're not fun to be around, and if they're not well behaved they'll ruin a good time for everyone around them.

There is a big market for people not wanting to be subjected to your shitty parenting, or lack of control over said crotchfruit.

I support this.

7/28/2011 4:05:15 PM

2 down

7/28/2011 4:23:50 PM