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8/1/2011 8:57:18 AM

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"when you give people that have never had money, money they more often than not turn around and give it right back to people that have always had money."

EXACTLY which stimulates the economy and keeps this shit growing.

8/1/2011 9:03:12 AM

You guys are just being unfair/stereotypical because the guy is a young asshole/womanizer, doesn't sound smart, is a smartass to the judge and system. Judge Judy is wrong about living expenses. That money doesn't just include rent it includes all living expenses. Things like rent, food, transportation and entertainment. Students who live with their parents can still get living expenses paid to them and theres no mandate that says they have to put that towards a rent.

This guy is smart for using the money.

Also you say its a waste but last time I checked the guy has been going to college getting an education for 3 years. Doesn't sound like a waste to me or he would've flunked out.

8/1/2011 10:23:02 AM

^Not quite. For one, he's the one who said it was for rent:

"I get a stipend from the county to pay my rent."

"I get like four hundred and thirty seven dollars a month to pay my rent, you know what I'm saying, from the county, you know."

Now he may have been wrong in saying that it was specifically for rent, but here's the important part: "If you can't find no job, and you a student, they give you money to live on, you know what I'm saying--if you already got your own apartment, you know what I'm saying--they give you money to live on a month just cause you a student."

So he's admitting that the only way he qualified for the aid was if he already had his own apartment. So they gave him the assistance assuming he had rent to pay. It may not have been for rent specifically, but it was given with the assumption that he did have rent to pay in his list of monthly bills--and he most likely quoted them a figure for his monthly rent when he signed up for the assistance. If he was living at home with parents, like you mentioned, he would not have gotten $437/month from the county aid office...that would be insanity.

[Edited on August 1, 2011 at 11:02 AM. Reason : ]

8/1/2011 10:55:15 AM

I saw the whole episode. He is going to school to learn how to be a DJ. 3 years of school and counting to learn how to press play on his ipod.

8/1/2011 10:56:31 AM

^^Everyone does this. You just tell them your parents charge you rent and "pay" rent to your parents. Its not like its ever possible to live for free even if you aren't being charged, someone is paying for it and basically they are giving you the rent back as a gift that you paid them for staying there in the form of you just keeping your rent money. Nothing wrong with that. Its not like the government saves money from him going and getting an extra place as opposed to living with a sugar momma.

8/1/2011 12:20:51 PM

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"The shame of it is thattax money is spent on complete tools like this and not spent on useful things like maintaining infrastructure."

His $70k McEducation would probably fix up that obstacle course known as Hillsborough Street from Arby's to Dan Allen

8/1/2011 12:38:53 PM

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"The E Man: ^^Everyone does this. You just tell them your parents charge you rent and "pay" rent to your parents. Its not like its ever possible to live for free even if you aren't being charged, someone is paying for it and basically they are giving you the rent back as a gift that you paid them for staying there in the form of you just keeping your rent money. Nothing wrong with that."

Not only is that definitely wrong, it's also fraud. That monthly returned rent that you describe as a "gift" is income...so that sum, along with whatever other "gifts" your parents give you throughout the month, should be reported as income when you apply for assistance.

And everyone does not do that, by the way. The handful of less affluent kids that I knew in college worked jobs, never passed up a free meal, and did significantly less drugs than average.

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"The E Man: Its not like the government saves money from him going and getting an extra place as opposed to living with a sugar momma."

You're right that they don't actually save money, but they are supposed to save money in that they don't intend to give hundreds of dollars a month of assistance to somebody living with a sugar momma. In essence, Judge Judy is not wrong. You're wrong. That guy is wrong. And anybody who thinks it's okay to steal hundreds of dollars a month for months on end is wrong, too.

It sounds like you may have some experience with this, but I'm not sure you're correct about how rampant this type of fraud is--I don't think everybody does it. I heard a story on NPR about a financial skills class for people on assistance. One of the featured students in the class was an unemployed, mentally ill mother of six, and she only got like $900/month. If the jerk in the Judge Judy vid is bringing in $437/month plus federal grants/school scholarships/cheap student loans...that is not okay. And if you or anybody else you know is committing that kind of fraud, you should feel ashamed, not resourceful.

[Edited on August 1, 2011 at 1:28 PM. Reason : I don't know why I'm so wordy. I don't even care that much.]

8/1/2011 1:14:08 PM

the money they give doesn't cut it. Even in the smallest towns, an apartment usually runs at least 400 and then you have to pay for utilities and furniture. Impossible. I know people who are middle class and have done this.

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"but they are supposed to save money in that they don't intend to give hundreds of dollars a month of assistance to somebody living with a sugar momma. "

if that was the case they would just get the free apartment. This is like carpooling and keeping transportation costs.

Its not really stealing and If they intended, then they would just fund it directly through the landlord like title 9 or whatever poor housing is called.

8/1/2011 8:47:46 PM

^Of course, the money they give doesn't "cut it"...do you know what public assistance is? You're aware that people going to college get multiple forms of assistance from all different places, including federal grants and subsidized loans?

I suspect your little "title 9" reference is supposed to be the cutesy bit where you reveal that you're ignorant and just trolling cause you don't understand or care. So, yeah, you're an extra cute little adorable. (To be clear "adorable" is supposed to read as a noun...in a sort of pathetic little tiny way.)

8/1/2011 9:15:08 PM

People come around to high schools and tell kids to milk all the money they can because the govt has money sitting there unspent every year. There are these "agents" that charge kids 150 to handle all their applications, tests and financial aid. These people always finds loopholes to get people as much free money as possible including doing exactly this. I know this because I work high school.

8/1/2011 9:25:45 PM

What do you want me to say?

One second you're talking about how Judge Judy is wrong about this third-year college student...

And the next you're talking about how corporations commit fraud at high schools...

(And, on top of acting like this all a joke, you still haven't provided evidence that all sorts of people are going out to rip off their county aid offices...)




So The E Man = troll. Kinda a crappy way to go out.

8/1/2011 9:41:59 PM

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"the money they give doesn't cut it. Even in the smallest towns, an apartment usually runs at least 400 and then you have to pay for utilities and furniturerims and kool-aid. Impossible. I know people who are middle class and have done this."

[Edited on August 1, 2011 at 9:45 PM. Reason : /]

8/1/2011 9:44:46 PM

^^I'm just here to point out that the guy is not a "moron" or "wasting the governments money" like everyone suggests for getting money and living with someone else. Giving the money back would be stupid. Thats just the world we live in. Anyone who uses tax incentives or write-offs know that it isn't stealing even if its not exactly what it is for.

[Edited on August 1, 2011 at 9:59 PM. Reason : Why don't you tell ME how 70k has been wasted?]

8/1/2011 9:57:59 PM

I kinda wanted to edit in many of my posts that I didn't think the guy was stupid or a potential murderer/rapist, but I didn't wanna be too wordy/uppity. He has a face-touching problem, but he's getting busted by a judge so whatever...

It is very dishonest/unethical/illegal what he has done, and it bothers me that you won't admit it. He is a liar/cheat (just like Gaipon), and there's no way I can tolerate his behavior....you do understand that he ripped off his county aid office, right? After receiving all sorts of other benefits/assistance? You understand that we barely even have that kind of stuff in Wake County?

Are you a rich kid like me who doesn't understand the value of money? Cause $437 is a ton in government terms!

8/1/2011 10:16:33 PM

Its really not that much money. I understand why you think its wrong but I honestly do not think its illegal I think its just a loophole way to bend the rules. That is why they don't require proof. They could easily require you to setup a link between the landlord and the county and send the money directly. This is done in the case of many programs.

8/1/2011 10:29:15 PM

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"I suspect your little "title 9" reference is supposed to be the cutesy bit where you reveal that you're ignorant and just trolling cause you don't understand or care. So, yeah, you're an extra cute little adorable. (To be clear "adorable" is supposed to read as a noun...in a sort of pathetic little tiny way.)"

woops. meant to say section 8.

The government provides people with welfare housing in this way the resident establishes a link between landlord and government for the rent supplement to be paid. this ensures monies are only spent on rent.

The government could easily do this for students but they specifically choose not to because students can often live with other people and use the money for other living expenses.

This is another case of the old "not the same money" argument used with planned parenthood and taxpayer abortion funding.

8/14/2011 6:40:51 PM

bridgetspk:

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"Okay, I was really, really out of sorts and trying really hard not to curse when I responded to you earlier in that thread. Let's try this again...one more time (and that's all I got for you): 1. You have lost your mind if you think it's okay or commonplace for this dude to steal $400+/month from his county aid office...after goodness knows how much fraud he already committed at a whole bunch of other levels and sources. 2. I'm familiar with how Section 8 housing works, and I'm disappointed that you think remembering the term "section 8" would justify resuming this discussion. Section 8 housing was designed to provide an alternative to the more classical project housing where all welfare recipients, regardless of income/employment, are crammed into one area or a set of huge high rises. Of course, the federal government doesn't wanna go around giving out money to just any schmuck who calls himself a landlord...so landlords have to qualify to participate in the section 8 housing program, and in this way, there is a direct connection between the government and the landlords. I don't know why this jerk's county aid office doesn't work the same way. Maybe they don't have the resources to implement such a system of oversight. But I guarantee you a thousand times over that just because this program lacks that kind of oversight, it doesn't mean you get to fake like you pay rent and collect $400+/month in extra spending cash from your county. In terms of assistance, that really is a lot of money, and it troubles me that you don't think it's that much...do you know people on welfare or disability who are walking around with $437 of extra money to spend on themselves? On top of assistance from all sorts of other places and access to a bunch of cheap loans? There are probably a thousand ways to commit fraud against the government...just because they exist, it doesn't mean it's okay to do them. If you don't believe me, you can go down to the court house and see the sad characters who get caught. I mean, seriously, the state of Michigan is putting a stop to college kids receiving food stamps: http://tinyurl.com/3suxfp8 But you think county aid intended to give out $438 for a kid who lives rent free to have some extra pocket money? Precisely what kinda life experiences have you had that make you think that would be even close to true?"

1. stop calling it stealing as they are giving it to him as unspecified "living expenses" not "must go to rent from a landlord"

2. They don't use the section 8 style because that is designed to provide a stable home for families while this is to help college kids out. everyone understands that college kids move around, room with friends, or even stay at home but wherever they are they are putting an extra expense on someone and likely being charged for it directly or indirectly. They give more freedom so that the student can choose what they do with the money.

8/17/2011 11:07:05 PM

I suspect that neither of us are experts on social services (I imagine that that is actually a fairly complex and intricate specialty). You may be speaking from some vague understanding of FASFA or something. To be clear, this guy isn't talking about FASFA.

Now I, despite all my misconceptions and utter dumbassery, can still guarantee you that the government is not in the business of giving out hundreds of dollars of spending cash to college students who have already received aid through other means. The man admitted as much when he attempted to defend himself by claiming he could have been staying at a hotel. He knows that the money was for an individual who had rent included in their expenses.

I'm sorry that you've been under the impression that you can lie about having rent to pay and then spend whatever you get as you see fit...legally. I actually suspect this fellow will end up being investigated for fraud.

Please, for the love of Christ, do not contact me about this matter anymore. Your desperate attempts to defend this man against me (a total stranger) are making me uncomfortable.

8/17/2011 11:56:10 PM

So a college student living with his/her parents does not add a financial burden on said parents?

8/18/2011 12:55:46 AM