We terrorized the fuck out of the japanese

8/8/2011 8:32:32 AM

Xenophobic japs

8/8/2011 8:33:13 AM

Since nobody reads the last post

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"And unlike the Germans, who made it a crime to even consider the holocaust didn't happen, the Japanese have never apologized to China (or anyone else) and even refuse to acknowledge these massacres even happened. They aren't taught in schools, they aren't on any official records, nothing."

8/8/2011 8:34:07 AM

yeah... it was like

"and this ass whoopin we deserved will never be spoke of again"

8/8/2011 8:46:47 AM

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"I hold no sympathy for Japan in regards to the nuclear bombings. The Japanese military did fucked up shit to civilians and POWs during the war."

exactly


I can't help but chuckle at how naive some people are about the reason for the bombings, 66 yrs after the fact. 66 years removed from a world war and they look for excuses to make the US look evil and bad. It's like they're bored and just want to feel self righteous about something.

8/8/2011 8:48:11 AM

Wait a minute.....
This is chit chat, the thread title relates to Japan....and no one has brought up tentacle rape yet?

8/8/2011 2:08:17 PM

1 WORD NUKE

8/8/2011 2:08:58 PM

They started it.

They also were willing to fight to the last person. They had begun training civilians with bamboo spears to try to kill as many invading soldiers as possible. Surrender without a shot at killing the enemy is/was considered a massive shame. Once the emperor realized that the US could wipe out large portions of population without a fight the only way out short of futile suicide was surrender.

8/8/2011 2:19:04 PM

I sometimes wonder what the world would be like if we hadn't developed nukes in time and had to launch a land assault on Japan. That shit would have been unreal.

8/8/2011 3:03:58 PM

^

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"During World War II, nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals were manufactured in anticipation of the estimated casualties resulting from the planned Allied invasion of Japan. To the present date, total combined American military casualties of the sixty-five years following the end of World War II — including the Korean and Vietnam Wars — have not exceeded that number. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock. There are so many in surplus that combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan are able to keep Purple Hearts on-hand for immediate award to wounded soldiers in the field."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart

8/8/2011 3:08:11 PM

Well yeah, there's that, but I meant more after it was all said and done and the dust settled. Would they have made Japan a commonwealth, a territory, or a state

8/8/2011 3:11:21 PM

I feel like the invasion would have been a long affair that would give the Soviets an opportunity to attack northern Japan from their territory in China under the guise of opening a two front war to expedite japanese collapse. Ultimately this would have lead to a divided Japan similar to Germany or Korea, costing the US an important ally in the western Pacific and providing another flashpoint for WWIII.

8/8/2011 3:17:49 PM

Because they're too busy doing land reenactments of "Fat Man" and "Little Boy".

8/8/2011 3:29:27 PM

Have they made a porno called "Fat Man and Little Boy" yet?

8/8/2011 3:30:19 PM

We are all united under Anime.

8/8/2011 3:55:28 PM

There are some dumbass people in this thread. Its amazing to think that some of you are college educated.

8/8/2011 4:04:17 PM

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"I hold no sympathy for Japan in regards to the nuclear bombings. The Japanese military did fucked up shit to civilians and POWs during the war."

This is fucking stupid. Would you kill someone else's child because they killed yours?

Can't believe some of you dipshits are trying to play the "THEY STARTED IT" argument in regards to killing mass amounts of civilians.

8/8/2011 4:07:31 PM

^^most people on this forum are ideological liberals, what do you expect?

8/8/2011 4:10:44 PM

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"There are some dumbass people in this thread. Its amazing to think that some of you are college educated."

Likewise

8/8/2011 4:19:55 PM

^^^ I'm saying this all happened over 60 years ago, what's done is done, but for Japan to sit there and whine about how unfair the bombs were and that they did nothing wrong from 1910-1945 is a bit of a stretch.

8/8/2011 7:01:38 PM

ps- I haven't read anything past the first 3 posts

[Edited on August 8, 2011 at 7:03 PM. Reason : e]

8/8/2011 7:03:11 PM

Not at all surprised by this thread. A bunch of U.S. citizens defending the atrocious acts of their government, after being taught (by government schools) that those acts were defensible. This is exactly how things play out when state violence is used on civilian populations.

The U.S. military dropped not one, but two nuclear bombs. Why? Because the U.S. wanted unconditional surrender. Winning wasn't enough. The U.S. wanted it all, and our leaders at the time were willing to kill as many innocent civilians as it took to get that outcome.

It's never okay to intentionally kill civilians. Period. It's morally fucking wrong. The fact that the majority of Americans still defend U.S. actions during this time is shameful.

8/8/2011 7:16:17 PM

the south koreans pretty much hate everyone.

8/8/2011 7:17:49 PM

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"^^^ I'm saying this all happened over 60 years ago, what's done is done, but for Japan to sit there and whine about how unfair the bombs were and that they did nothing wrong from 1910-1945 is a bit of a stretch."

Okay. I agree that it's far enough back to be past it, but you're still equivocating the Japanese government/military with Japanese civilians.

8/8/2011 9:11:11 PM

mr. joshua is absolutely right, there was a serious concern for russia getting involved in the pacific theater after how everything went down in europe

for the record this has been an ongoing debate for decades and calling people stupid just because they hold a differing viewpoint just shows your narrow mindedness

8/8/2011 9:45:08 PM

nothing new here

reasonable debate stifled by jingoism

8/8/2011 9:47:44 PM

We did the Japanese a huge favor by dropping these bombs. It would have been far worse for both of our countries if we didn't.

8/8/2011 9:49:45 PM

I always cringe when it's time to teach kids how to do research papers and someone comes to me with this topic.

8/8/2011 9:51:26 PM

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"the south koreans pretty much hate everyone. "

It's because they've been pretty much occupied by everyone

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" Okay. I agree that it's far enough back to be past it, but you're still equivocating the Japanese government/military with Japanese civilians."

Yes, it sucks that a bunch of civilians died but a) these were strategic military positions boasting large military industrial complexes. It's not like they were dropping these bombs on a residential suburb. b) a land invasion would have costed many, many more lives. c) Japanese civilians were indoctrinated into believing they fought for the emperor using pitch forks if necessary against the enemy. There would have been extremely messy guerilla warfare, as evidenced by the invasion of Okinawa. d) I suppose they could have dropped the bomb on the emperor's palace, but that would have extremely destabilized the nation and led to a complete clusterfuck.

Unless of course you were referring to Japan's current stance on the Pacific War. If that's the case I think you'd be surprised what the average Joe thinks the cause and effects of the war was over there. My favorite were the museums in Hiroshima and Kure that, in my opinion, intentionally mistranslated US military documents to support their theory that we dropped the bombs on them because we didn't want to sell them crude oil

8/8/2011 11:43:10 PM

Japan had it coming. The civilian argument holds no weight. They attacked Pearl Harbor while they were still at the negotiation table.

Now I just wish we would have nuked Iraq and Afghanistan. Why waste American lives when we have the weapons and technology to end wars without putting troops on the ground.

8/8/2011 11:52:22 PM

there was never a war to end in iraq or afghanistan. we created both wars.

8/9/2011 12:08:40 AM

Says who?

Afghanistan was a safe haven for Osama. Add Iran to the list. We should nuke them too. (Atleast cut off aid)

Iraq was unfinished business. We owed them one.

I find it entertaining that Americans seem to think there are morals and "rules" to war. If Japan had had a nuke in WWII you better believe Hawaii would have been blown off the earth. You soft hearted idiots are the reason events like 9/11 take place. There should be no rules in a war.

8/9/2011 12:11:49 AM

I thought the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan was a show of force to scare Russia. Ending the war was a side effect...

8/9/2011 12:37:46 AM

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"It's never okay to intentionally kill civilians. Period. It's morally fucking wrong. The fact that the majority of Americans still defend U.S. actions during this time is shameful."

Is it morally wrong? I guess it depends on what your stance on morality is.

If view every person as being equal and you weight the harm done to each individual involved in the conflict, bombing Japan is better than an invasion that would have led to higher casualties. If you can minimize casualties and bring a quicker end to fighting, how could it be morally wrong, unless you apply a double standard to civilians over soldiers, which to me is morally reprehensible that anyone would say that it's ok if military personnel kill each other while standing on the other aisle claiming that civilians shouldn't die.

Not to mention that if we did not bring a quick end to the war on the pacific front, not only would more US and Japanese people die, but also more Chinese people (the government led schools never go into the Japanese occupation of China when talking about the Pacific front of WWII, just that Nazi's are bad the Japanese bombed pearl harbor but never going into the true horror of what the Japanese did to China).

8/9/2011 12:37:54 AM

^^ Naw, the scaring of the Russians was the bonus. The war had to end one way or the other and a land invasion would have been costly, both in casualties and dollar bucks.

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"If Japan had had a nuke in WWII you better believe Hawaii would have been blown off the earth. "

Truth. Our sin was completing the bomb first. You can't believe for one second that if Japan or Germany or England or any other country in the war had gotten there first they wouldn't have used the bomb. One can debate whether the second bomb needed to be dropped, but considering that even after the first one the US and Australian militaries were intercepting messages from the Japanese military planning on continuing attacks, I can understand why the decision was made.

8/9/2011 8:39:45 AM

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"Godzilla is one of the most recognizable symbols of Japanese popular culture worldwide and remains an important facet of Japanese films, embodying the kaiju subset of the tokusatsu genre. He has been considered a filmographic metaphor for the United States, as well as an allegory of nuclear weapons in general. The earlier Godzilla films, especially the original, portrayed Godzilla as a frightening, nuclear monster. Godzilla represented the fears that many Japanese held about the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the possibility of recurrence.["

8/9/2011 8:55:54 AM

But then Godzilla defends Japan from all kinds of even worse monsters.

See, they love us.

8/9/2011 9:15:35 AM

So in a way, Japan kind of owes us one.

8/9/2011 10:01:34 AM

History is written by the victors.

8/9/2011 10:36:31 AM

Hence why there is no major in French history.

8/9/2011 10:39:21 AM

I'm sure there is a college somewhere in the US that offers it as a major

8/9/2011 10:42:09 AM

so does vietnam owe us a nuke?

8/9/2011 10:43:13 AM

There's a saying from the Meiji period along the lines of "If you win you are the official army, if you lose you are the rebels."

Tojo repeated something along these lines before his execution.

8/9/2011 10:43:23 AM

In 185 battles that France had fought over the past 800 years, their armies had won 132 times, lost 43 times and drawn only 10. That is a better military record than England.

8/9/2011 10:43:52 AM

I bet 100 of those battles were games of "Risk".

8/9/2011 10:47:30 AM

^^ How many of those were french people vs other factions of french people?

They haven't done anything to impress me since the Battle of Tours.

8/9/2011 10:58:19 AM

They've also had a terrible showing in the NCAA tournament.

8/9/2011 11:06:30 AM

^^ Taking over most of Europe a couple hundred years ago was pretty impressive.

8/9/2011 11:11:24 AM

Anybody can take over a continent when your daily fear is obtaining the plague from your pet rat "Flufferkins".

8/9/2011 11:14:25 AM

Then why didn't Poland ever take over the continent?

8/9/2011 11:16:05 AM