few things

a) I don't feel it is fair to compare 4g phones with 3g phones. These are the first 4g phones and they will all have their quirks that need to be worked out. Secondly, I feel most of the companies (HTC, Samsung, and LG) were rushing their product out the door. I can't really blame them because American is very impatient. Apple is 3g on Verizon's network so I group it accordingly.


b) Additionally, multiple companies use android software, however android always gets the blame when usually its the companies fault. HTC knew they had battery life issues, but was in such a rush to be the first to put out their 4g phone they didn't fix it, imo. That could have something to do with Verizon pushing them as well. Who knows. But now everyone that has a Thunderbolt and says fuck android when it should really be fuck HTC. Same goes with the original Motorola Droid. It was the first of its kind and, like with anything, is going to have its issues.

c) Verizon puts a shitload of bloatware on Android devices, but not on the iphone4. That really pisses me off.

10/16/2011 11:43:51 AM

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"i always end up paying more because i can either have a working phone/PC or not, but that costs $$"

with this and all of your other "problems" either it's user error or you're buying shitty equipment.

I can solve most problems with my phone; if not, a 30 minute trip to VZW and it's fixed or I'm getting a new device; no money involved.

I have 2 working PCs (notebooks) that haven't cost me anything since I've purchased them; one is 8 years old and the other is 3 years old. They both run like champs. Sure, I've had some issues with them, that I either fixed myself (for free) or had repaired/parts replaced (for free).

It has nothing to do with the OS. It has to do with YOU.

[Edited on October 16, 2011 at 11:45 AM. Reason : .]

10/16/2011 11:45:06 AM

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" drives home the Apple stereotypes that they're rich liberal yuppies"

yep that's me 100%

10/16/2011 11:47:17 AM

If there is a worse ambassador for the iPhone (or for anything really) than this pack_bryan retard, I'd really hate to meet them.

10/16/2011 11:49:05 AM

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"c) Verizon puts a shitload of bloatware on Android devices, but not on the iphone4. That really pisses me off."

And yet you hate Apple because they care enough about their users to strong arm carriers into not doing stupid shit like that? Does not compute.

10/16/2011 11:51:57 AM

Cool troll bro

10/16/2011 11:53:14 AM

^^ I hate apple cause they give me no monies.

10/16/2011 11:53:52 AM

I will say that for its time, the iPhone 4 was a great phone. It's also the first iphone that I thought looked good because it looked nothing like the older iphones.

Similarly, the iPhone 4S is a great phone... for the iPhone 4's time. For today it's too small for a premium phone.

10/16/2011 11:54:06 AM

did you even read my list of bullshit problems with my phone?

and thats just my current phone

my last phone never received phone calls [edit: in its last few months of life it wouldn't show the calls coming in, just voice mails for some reason, and i couldnt answer calls that DID show up because the touch feature to 'one button' answer stopped working], would reset itself to default setting and then magically come back on with my settings, the touch feature would cut out and make the phone useless... yes these sound like user error... or possibly shit quality phones from the manufacturer (not android)

it just blows that theres not a company out there that can make as solid a hardware device as apple for Android, i love the Android OS, and yes, that was a mistake on my part not making that distinction between the fact that its the products, not the OS that i am frustrated with.

[Edited on October 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM. Reason : edit]

10/16/2011 11:54:46 AM

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"^ Overpriced, difficult to upgrade, no games"

Overpriced? Well their build quality is top notch, their multitouch trackpads are second to none, their specs are decent (yes, there are pcs with better specs at a lower price, but I always feel like I'm downgrading everything else, such as build quality, increase in frustration and work). The iMacs aren't really overpriced at all for what you get. The problem is people make apples to oranges comparisons and compare them to a typical desktop. But the fact is, it's an all-in-one computer that has an IPS screen, a dedicated GPU. The Dell all-in-one can be had cheaper, but comes with integrated graphics, more HDD space, yes a bigger touch screen. But seriously though, the build quality is shit, touchscreens on All-in-ones are a gimmick (uncomfortable to use, not practical, a selling point) and the quality is shit compared to the IPS panel in the iMac. I would take the iMac hands down. It's a better product.

Difficult to upgrade? Depends on what you're referring to. Their laptops are no more difficult to upgrade than any other laptop. The iMac is more difficult, but it's an all-in-one. They're all difficult.

As far as no games is concerned, you are aware that Steam is now on Mac? There are plenty of games now for Mac OS X and more are coming. Not to mention you can always dual boot to Windows and get your game fix there.

10/16/2011 11:56:30 AM

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"Cool troll bro"

Sorry dude. Me pointing out how illogical your girlfriend is being is hardly trolling.

White knight fail.

10/16/2011 12:05:01 PM

Would I rather have an imac than a dell all-in-one?: Yes
Would I buy a dell all in one anyway?: Hell no

Referring to desktop PCs, the kind you would use to play really good and graphically intensive games, the kind of games that aren't on Mac.

As for installing windows on a mac, you're saying one should buy an overpriced computer THEN spend an extra $100 for windows? Why not just use a dedicated windows PC?

[Edited on October 16, 2011 at 12:07 PM. Reason : ]

10/16/2011 12:05:31 PM

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"Would I rather have an imac than a dell all-in-one?: Yes Would I buy a dell all in one anyway?: Hell no Referring to desktop PCs, the kind you would use to play really good and graphically intensive games, the kind of games that aren't on Mac. As for installing windows on a mac, you're saying one should buy an overpriced computer THEN spend an extra $100 for windows? Why not just use a dedicated windows PC?"

That's why I have a desktop PC that I built as well, to play games, although it is no quite old (about 5 years). You completely missed the point of my post. They're not overpriced or difficult to upgrade, no more than their competitors.

As far as not playing games, that comes down to software. If you want to buy a computer to play video games, then no, a Mac isn't for you. But that's not a reason to "hate" Apple.

But what this comes back to is your inability to read. I am fully aware of those three reasons you listed. Do you know why I didn't list them though?

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"And I'll bet most of these are stupid superficial reasons."

Price, upgradability and not meeting your needs/wants are not superficial reasons for not wanting to buy a Mac, but rather legitimate reasons for not wanting to buy a Mac.

Oh, and how old are you that you're still spending hundreds of dollars (if not over a thousand dollars) building/buying gaming computers? I could see a poor ass 16 year old having a problem with Apple's price and that there are "no" games available for Mac OS X. But a grown ass adult, how is that even a problem? Get a console so you can play with friends (if you have those) or grow up.

10/16/2011 12:29:59 PM

^ thank you

i think wanting a 'working phone' is not a superficial reason either. if you read the list of apps i do have downloaded on my phone youll see that all i want to be able to do is dick around every now and then and answer a damn phone call... and not have to re-start my phone when i wanna send a text message as it freezes a lot when it tries bringing up my msgs (and from a previous thread, i decreased the max amnt of messages until it auto deletes them, and make a point to keep less than 15 convos running... all of which i shouldnt HAVE to do anyways) and it still freezes

10/16/2011 12:36:42 PM

I have Apple computer products and a Droid phone

The horror


But I do like both.

10/16/2011 12:52:40 PM

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" Oh, and how old are you that you're still spending hundreds of dollars (if not over a thousand dollars) building/buying gaming computers? I could see a poor ass 16 year old having a problem with Apple's price and that there are "no" games available for Mac OS X. But a grown ass adult, how is that even a problem? Get a console so you can play with friends (if you have those) or grow up."

I wonder if people used to say "grow up" to people who liked movies? I know they said it to people who liked rock music.

I spend a couple hundred dollars every couple of years upgrading my computer, I don't have a top of the line PC but it always runs anything and will run most things on max right after I upgrade. I have an xbox also but many games are exclusive to or play better on PC.


I don't like apple but don't blindly hate every product, the Air isn't overpriced compared to its current Windows competition if you for some reason need computer you can put in an envelope. And although I think all tablets are overpriced the iPad is probably the best right now.

[Edited on October 16, 2011 at 1:21 PM. Reason : ]

10/16/2011 1:18:36 PM

Too many people here saying that problems with a phone aren't problems with android when that's completely false. Google doesn't give a shit who makes a phone with android or whether it works at all. Look at Apple and Microsoft and you dont see the same problems as Android phones have. Having 0 quality/spec requirements ends up with a bunch of shit phones where manufacturers are trying to squeeze every penny out of a device. I bought 6 Droid Xs late last year for our office (not even 12 months yet). I currently have 2 of them left. Mine was swapped out 4 times with the 4th being a new iPhone. 2 others were swapped 3 times with the 3rd being an iPhone. 1 other has been swapped 5 times now with various other Androids (user is determined to stay with android with an Incredible 2 currently). Strangely, I haven't had to do anything for the iPhone users since we switched.

You can't do as much with an iPhone but when it boils down to it, the phone actually functioning is a pretty big advantage.

As for Mac vs Windows, I typically prefer the macbook options but the new stuff coming from Samsung and Dell is looking more promising especially since I require Win7 for work.

10/16/2011 1:33:32 PM

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"i do hate Apple for the fact that you can't customize it as much..."

Does anyone remember the result of the ultimate in customization? . . . You know, the MySpace page?

10/16/2011 3:24:05 PM

^touche

10/16/2011 4:49:38 PM

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"I'm sick of going to Verizon and IT to fix my shit. Verizon doesn't fix anything anyways."

So your real problem is with Verizon. I've had an HTC Evo for awhile now and only had an issue once that Sprint took care of immediately.

10/16/2011 7:31:10 PM

This reminds me of 11 year olds arguing if Sega Genesis was better than Super Nintendo.

10/16/2011 7:37:59 PM

evlbuxmbetty why do you want to switch your PC and phone to Apple at the same time? What would be the point in switching all your electronic products? Seems kind of arbitrary.

10/16/2011 7:53:04 PM

I, for one, am super glad I don't use either.

10/16/2011 7:55:51 PM

i just switched to the iphone, and can i say how NICE it is to be able to receive phone calls again?



my phone calls on my 1g droid would go to voicemail in my apartment.

10/17/2011 6:38:17 AM

Will iphones ever have swype?? I hate the touchscreen keypad...but I LOVE swype. Don't think I could do without it.

10/17/2011 6:51:55 AM

^extremely doubtful. Apple will likely never open that API for devs.

10/17/2011 7:57:08 AM

Unfortunate. Then I will never get an iphone.

10/17/2011 8:32:44 AM

cani too have come to love love the swype. they'll get it in 15 years.

and yeah, when i switched to my 4g android i loved receiving phone calls again... however, the interface when the call comes in, switches back and forth from the puzzle pieces to big buttons... idk why that is. maybe its when people are calling from 'mobile' or from 'home' or favorited people come in with a puzzle piece? im pretty sure its not supposed to be changing like that tho... but i havent investigated it further and really hadnt thought about it until now... hahaha

*goes to look at settings*

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 10:03 AM. Reason : ok, can't see where that option can be changed... lemme know if anyone else is experiencing this]

10/17/2011 10:00:11 AM

^ I've been reading all of your problems with your phone and just have to say that I haven't experienced any of them. Like...I seriously don't know what the hell you are talking about. I think you just have bad luck with getting shitty phones.

The only problem I've been having with my Android phone is that it didn't come with a lot of memory and it tends to slow down a little bit. Just like a computer that is a tad overloaded. It doesn't happen a lot, but it will sporadically "freeze" or just start jumping around. It doesn't really bother me that much.

10/17/2011 10:06:16 AM

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"Then I will never get an iphone."

enjoy your plastic!

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"but it will sporadically "freeze" or just start jumping around. It doesn't really bother me that much."

evlbxmbetty: this does not happen on ip4. not even once happened to me. enjoy your upgrade.

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 10:09 AM. Reason : ,,]

10/17/2011 10:08:31 AM

Sounds like what happens with the screen on v. when the screen is off.

10/17/2011 10:08:48 AM

who is your carrier? i dont know how that would change anything but you never know, maybe Verizon buys shitty phones.

My friends who have droids have had success on other carriers, i dont think i have any droid buddies who are on verizon with me

yeah, i've had some bizarre troubles with phones and my current PC... when i took it out of the box, the cursor moved erratically and made the computer unusable, had to have the entire screen replaced (at least thats what HP told me) then... it happened again with the overhauled computer... then the hard drive went and committed suicide

i think technology just isnt for me

10/17/2011 10:11:01 AM

^^^ thank you, haha this is what i wanted to hear. i just need a smart phone that freakin works

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 10:11 AM. Reason : ^'s]

10/17/2011 10:11:36 AM

im wondering what the hell some of you are doing to your Android phones to keep breaking them

I have a $1 silicone case on my DX, it's flawless after 14 months

10/17/2011 10:13:34 AM

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"thank you, haha this is what i wanted to hear. i just need a smart phone that freakin works"

Don't be fooled into thinking an iPhone is perfect. Just look at any forum and you'll find that they have their own list of quirks and issues. That said, Sounds like you just need one of those rugged flip phones and not a smartphone.

10/17/2011 10:15:10 AM

Everybody hates my carrier (AT&T), but they've been great to me for the past 12 years (Cingular in the beginning).

Most Android fanboys don't like my phone either (Samsung Fascinate), but it's been great for me. The display is amazing (better than any iphone I've compared it to). I've played with plenty of iphones, and I like them, but not enough to switch over. And REALLY REALLY REALLY hate typing on a touchscreen. I mean....it seriously sucks, and I have relatively small fingers. I text a lot and write a ton of emails on my phone, so the SWYPE is a HUGE benefit. It will seriously prevent me from ever switching to an iphone. I don't know how all you techies put up with touchscreen keyboards w/o swype.

As for the plastic comment...what's the benefit?? I've got a very slim case and I drop my phone all the time (ruined my Blackberries on a consistent basis because of this)...and I don't have one nick on my Android after several dozen+ drops.

I like apple. Love my classic ipod and my macbook (which has crashed several times actually)...but my android phone is perfectly fine.

10/17/2011 10:18:02 AM

I have a thunderbolt with verizon... I got it the day it came out. And i love it. Battery life is not amazing. But everyone getting a tbolt ahould have known that fro m the get go. You have awful luck. Verizon has always been great. To me.

10/17/2011 10:20:36 AM

I almost got the Thunderbolt but went with the Samsung Charge after reading all the reviews. The Thunderbolt is def a sleeker looking device and I prob could have gotten an extra battery for that one too.

I keep a silicone case on my phone. I honestly do not know what I've done so wrong to curse me when it comes to smart phones.

10/17/2011 10:22:24 AM

maybe you should switch to iphone and report back in several months whether you're happy with the decision


if i were scorned by a certain company and i switched to someone else, it would feel really good to have left the first company even if the new company ends up being about the same (going through that now with getting rid of road runner and getting u-verse)

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 10:26 AM. Reason : ]

10/17/2011 10:24:16 AM

I, too, have the Thunderbolt and it's been great so far. Didn't like the battery life, so bought the extended battery through Amazon and now generally lasts all day (depending on how much use it gets).

10/17/2011 10:31:38 AM

rooting, overclocking, free wifi tether, Swype, extended battery, custom everything... Reasons why I will stick with Android.



I have had the DX since its release and still love it. Never even bought a cover and it is mint.

10/17/2011 10:32:44 AM

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"I honestly do not know what I've done so wrong to curse me when it comes to smart phones."

welcome to life after the curse. unless you repeatedly throw this thing into the pavement you won't ever worry about phone issues again. esp with the new ios5. upgrading through wireless downloads on the phone itself. all your shit autobacked up in the cloud. in fact i can drop my phone in the sewer right now and go buy a new one and not give a shit. all my data is synced constantly.

10/17/2011 10:33:21 AM

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"rooting, overclocking"

ha. so you are one of those guys that roots it and uses command line for everything. so hardcore bro.

because all the time we see guys rooting their phones and writing custom tools. pfftt..

10/17/2011 10:35:00 AM

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"upgrading through wireless downloads on the phone itself."

that's new?


im rooted, i couldn't write a command line w/o reading it off a droid support website

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 10:36 AM. Reason : ]

10/17/2011 10:35:03 AM

it's too early for apple fanboys

10/17/2011 10:36:39 AM

isn't rooting the same as/similar to jailbreaking?

10/17/2011 10:36:42 AM

I'll let you all know when I get the new iPhone 5

10/17/2011 10:38:04 AM

^^^ not at all man. i couldn't have been more on your team just a couple years ago.

it's nice not to have to worry about shit constantly.


i like your logic too. "if somebody defends iphone, therefore by my wild imagination they are everything fanboy apple and i hate their guts"

cool

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 10:40 AM. Reason : ,]

10/17/2011 10:39:55 AM

recap, trying to be accurate
-android user X lists issues with phone that aren't caused by android
-apple users post why apple would be better
-android users try to explain why android isn't causing the problems
-apple users seem to want no one to use android, even happy android users

10/17/2011 10:40:18 AM

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"^ I've been reading all of your problems with your phone and just have to say that I haven't experienced any of them. Like...I seriously don't know what the hell you are talking about. I think you just have bad luck with getting shitty phones. "

Yeah I can't say I've experienced these things either. My only experience is with the HTC phones though. My dad had a Samsung he bitched about endlessly but I think most of it was user error.

10/17/2011 10:40:36 AM