Quote :

"people should prob just go back to their lives. the Occupy movement isnt going to accomplish anything other then a bunch of wasted tax money"

You were $14Billion in debt before the whole crisis. shakes my head.

11/9/2011 1:09:03 PM

I encourage you to waste a year of your life on this bullshit, shakes my head

11/9/2011 1:12:16 PM

and if you do, please dont be that guy with the occupy sign waiting in line at starbucks

11/9/2011 1:13:50 PM

Oh, now it's bullshit because your awesome argument was shot down.

11/9/2011 1:13:54 PM

my arguement wasnt shot down. how was it disproven?

It is true, more money will be wasted on this bullshit that wont accomplish anything

11/9/2011 1:14:42 PM

If you can't afford to pay the officers, then there will be change.

11/9/2011 1:15:26 PM

this whole movement reminds me of the people on the campus of the movie PCU

11/9/2011 1:16:23 PM

k

11/9/2011 1:17:38 PM

Quote :

"The constitution is pretty specific of defining these freedoms that shall NOT be infringed in any way, shape, or form. Everything else is fair game. "

It also states that the government is allowed to provide for the common good. If the people elect officials who vote that the public good is making sure random masses aren't allowed to camp in public parks, then that's the will of the people. If the people don't like that, they can vote their representatives out of office and lobby for change.

That's also in Civics 101.

11/9/2011 1:59:22 PM

I can't argue with you if you don't know what common good is.

Is banning protesters for our common good?

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 2:00 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2011 2:00:23 PM

Quote :

"Is banning protesters for our common good?"

I would say that preventing an Oakland-esqe situation occuring (violence and civil unrest) or a New York situation (public health hazard) would be in the common good.

11/9/2011 2:45:29 PM

WE'RE NOT GONNA PROTEST

WE'RE NOT GONNA PROTEST

WE'RE NOT GONNA PROTEST

GUTTER IS A TOOL

WE'RE NOT GONNA PROTEST

11/9/2011 3:04:09 PM

this is very simple. they have the right to protest. they don't have the right to set up a freaking campground wherever they want. jeez, are you that stupid?

Quote :

"Freedom speech means freedom of speech. EXCEPT you can't say BOMB in an airport. EXCEPT you can't say FIRE in a movie theater."

Actually, you can say those things. it's just that if you cause a riot or a stampede, you can be held accountable for starting a riot or a stampede. You aren't actually prosecuted for the speech, itself. or, you'll get a nice cavity search in an airport for saying "bomb" and maybe even get to stay in a nice warm and comfy cell.

Quote :

"The constitution is pretty specific of defining these freedoms that shall NOT be infringed in any way, shape, or form."

How do you feel about gun control? you know, the whole "shall not be infringed" thing in the 2nd Amendment?

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ]

11/9/2011 3:19:23 PM

^I feel very comfortable with it. Everyone who wants a gun should have a gun.


Crime will decrease, the number of dead criminals will increase.

11/9/2011 3:48:51 PM

GO BACK TO THE SOAP BOX

11/9/2011 5:45:05 PM

assembly != squatting

11/9/2011 10:14:07 PM

Just ask one of the locals about the Greekfest experience and you'll probably learn why the city doesn't enjoy babysitting/worrying over large, directionless crowds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Virginia_Beach#1989:_.22Greekfest.22_riots

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/09/painful-legacy-1989s-greekfest-endures

Quote :

" "The city does not program activities for any affinity group of visitors.""

11/9/2011 10:37:20 PM

riots are illegal.


peaceful assembly is not.

Quote :

"assembly != squatting"

lol

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 10:42 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2011 10:40:58 PM

Quote :

" establish campgrounds at geniusxboys house"

sorry buddy you have to let them in your house. first amendment. sorry

11/9/2011 11:37:33 PM

Welcome, friends

11/9/2011 11:47:00 PM

Quote :

"Nevermind they're protesting in the wrong location. Go to DC and make yourselves useful."

Exactly.



Also, after 80 years of the American left not even giving lip service to the Constitution, let alone abiding by its constraints, you'll have to forgive me if I give much less of a fuck about their plight than I otherwise would.

Particularly when they're being fucking retarded.

11/9/2011 11:56:59 PM

you're getting your wish.


Occupy Wall Street is doing a 20 day walk from NY to DC.

11/10/2011 12:42:03 AM

im praying for a blizzard to hit I-95

11/10/2011 12:44:25 AM

11/10/2011 12:58:45 AM

^^^ Yeah, I saw that.

I'm all for them protesting on Capitol Hill. That's where the fucked-upedness is, not Wall St.

Of course, they really only need to be complaining about a couple of things, but they will poison their credibility and dilute their message by bullshit wanking about 100 other stupid things.

[Edited on November 10, 2011 at 1:30 AM. Reason : ]

11/10/2011 1:22:09 AM

I'm wondering if you know that corporations OWN washington d.c.?

11/10/2011 1:24:06 AM

You are right. Pretty much congress can't get a thing done because every senator and representative is strapped financially to them and can't put bread on their families tables without them

every single vote is a paid for vote.

i'm starting to think that senators and politicians aren't even human anymore. you know with that cloning technology and AI. they could by cylons. you just never know is all i'm saying

exxon and apple inc basically could have already put us into the matrix as well. we better check that out too. i mean if it isn't 100% obvious by now i mean we are all screwed

one of these days i'm going to fly a helium balloon high into the atmosphere just to check that the earth is round with my own 2 eyes. i mean all this "SCIENCE" bullshit you know has been corrupted and bought by the corporations. i mean hell, they own the government, and the government owns education, doesn't that mean everything is owned by corporations?

let's get a search party together. i don't even know if anything is real anymore GeniusXBoy

you bring up some very real and interesting points that i'm sure the whole world let alone OWS would be interested in. be careful. corporations have wiretaps on the internet. you aren't safe posting in here anymore. time to take it offline

11/10/2011 1:37:29 AM

^^

1. No shit, that's news to nobody, least of all someone as politically aware as I am.

2. What the hell else would you have companies do? The problem is that Washington is for sale to begin with.

11/10/2011 1:46:16 AM

Quote :

"Yeah... a question I constantly hear from people who advocate for anarchy because the ultimate answer is "we are only free so far as it does not interfere with others' freedom... a boundary that is defined by a representative government of the people." That means that in reality, no... YOU are not really free to do whatever the Hell you want."

Your freedom ends where mine begins. This is consistent with the theory of natural rights: each person has a right to their life, liberty, and property. A representative government (which is actually inherently unrepresentative) does not draw that line; we have a right to our bodies and our labor.

11/10/2011 2:09:05 AM

Anyone who lives in the United States has entered into a social contract. True freedom exists nowhere. True freedom is not what OWS is trying to accomplish.

The social contract that we have all agreed to involves each of us giving up some of our freedoms in exchange for some forms of protection. We have all given up our freedom to murder someone else in exchange for everyone else being prevented from murdering us. We have all given up our freedom to have sex with children in order to prevent others from having sex with our children. We have all given up the freedom to rape others in order to prevent others from raping us. Those who violate the social contract have the majority of their remaining freedoms, and sometimes their lives, eliminated.

The social contract in the United States isn't all that bad. The wage-labor contract, however, is flawed. There's nothing preventing the wage-labor contract from being modified except for greed. That's the major point that OWS makes.

Even if you don't necessarily support the movement, go and check it out. It's only in its infancy, but Occupy has the possibility of being the most significant social movement since the Civil Rights Movement, and is likely the most significant social movement we will see in our lifetimes.

11/10/2011 3:48:02 AM

^,^^ Exactly. The point is that if you are going to state that "none of us are free because we aren't truly free", then really what you're saying is that you aren't free unless you live in an anarchy and in complete isolation from anyone else. Only then can you be truly free to do whatever you want. Why? Because there is no need for a social contract in the absense of governance or a population.

Quote :

"but Occupy has the possibility of being the most significant social movement since the Civil Rights Movement,"

Completely disagree. The Civil Rights Movement was a large mass of people who all had an agreed upon agenda: truly equal rights for all people, regardless of race. I don't think if you were to approach individuals from the Civil Rights Movement that they would claim "well, we were just protesting whatever seems messed up about our government to you!" No, they would have said they needed the government to support equal rights for all. Unified position. When the Tea Party rallies were around and various news agencies interviewed protesters, you may have had some uneducated people there (just like you have the OWS), but at least they all said "We need lower taxes and less corporate regulation." You didn't have to agree with it to see what the message was. I remember being in Fredericksburg when people were coming from that 1.6 million person march on DC and it was obvious from what they had on their shirts, things they had written on their cars, and just the conversations they were having it was about a unified position on taxes, spending, and government regulation.

Occupy Wall Street has no unified position. Some are complaining that corporations are hoarding too much money, some are protesting about military operations (at least last time I went by the White House thats what the Occupy DC guys were protesting), and some are protesting about a mixture of social reform, welfare, and other mish-mash agenda items.

Point is, Occupy won't be anything more than a very popular "go outside and bitch" movement until they can unify what they are trying to tell the public and Washington. Once they have a unifying position on SOMETHING, they can start to ORGANIZE rather then just loitering and form some movement that actually does something.

------

....It's worth mentioning that we've successfully turned this into another #OccupyWallStreet thread <http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=618636&page=31>.

[Edited on November 10, 2011 at 8:46 AM. Reason : Off Topic Tangent....]

11/10/2011 8:44:10 AM