page 2.... those abhorred by the 15 cent tax can now rest easy and rejoice.

now, since the xmas tree lobbyists initially supported the tax, does wdprice3 retain his principles and continue to boycott the xmas trees he's already said he views as over-priced and has never purchased to begin with?

an anxious TWW awaits...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/obama-administration-to-delay-new-15-cent-christmas-tree-fee/

Quote :

"The U.S. Department of Agriculture is going to delay implementation and revisit a proposed new 15 cent fee on fresh-cut Christmas trees, sources tell ABC News. The fee, requested by the National Christmas Tree Association in 2009, was first announced in the Federal Registry yesterday and has generated criticism of President Obama from conservative media outlets."

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2011 3:53:05 PM

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"is this really how his staff will handle a crisis? can you imagine that if he reacts this retarded for something like this how he and staff will react to a real crisis? "

11/9/2011 3:54:44 PM

Now I can understand no count yankee republicans somehow being against this but us decent folks from North Carolina should be in full support of promoting real Christmas tree sales. Speak up if you are too slow to know why and need a picture painted for you....

11/9/2011 4:31:04 PM

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"THIS NEW TAX MEANS I'LL HAVE TO SKIP THE POST DINNER CHICLETS NEXT TIME I GO TO EL RODEO"

I almost peed myself

LOL

11/9/2011 5:17:29 PM

i've been chuckling about the phrase "JESUS TREE" for a couple hours

[Edited on November 9, 2011 at 5:18 PM. Reason : r]

11/9/2011 5:17:49 PM

not gonna lie...most things in this thread in all caps are funny as shit

11/9/2011 5:20:27 PM

look at all these clowns not knowin bout checkoff programs

11/9/2011 5:24:29 PM

just so you know, even though the government operates these, the respective industries have to vote to accept them, and they're mandatory if they get enough votes

sorry dawg it's the christmas tree growers who are screwing you out of your 15 cents, not BIG GUMMINT

11/9/2011 5:28:52 PM

Peoples' differing perspectives are funny.


On a serious note:

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"I think it's well known to everyone that the whole cotton subsidy is just taking money from hard-working american families and putting it in the pocket of Zooey Deschanel for singing that marxist anthem "The touch, the feel, the fabric of our lives"."

Everyone needs to read about the $147,000,000/yr we give Brazilian cotton farmers just so we can continue giving big subsidies to American cotton farmers.

2 million tax dollars that, at the very least, stay in our borders isn't even worth talking about.

[Edited on November 10, 2011 at 12:20 AM. Reason : http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1978963,00.html]

11/10/2011 12:19:10 AM

I lol'd big time at this entire thread

11/10/2011 7:52:46 AM

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"The U.S. Department of Agriculture is going to delay implementation and revisit a proposed new 15 cent fee on fresh-cut Christmas trees, sources tell ABC News. "

Dear Lord will this administration roll over on anything FOX News starts rabbling about?

11/10/2011 8:02:33 AM

the fact that people think this is laughable just goes to show how uneducated our citizens are and why it took them 4 fucking years to realize we got robbed by the bailouts

Quote :

" Get Ready To Start Paying These Taxes Too In the pre-dawn darkness of a chilly LA morning, my day started off with a chuckle. A friend in the reforestation business sent me an email detailing the US Department of Agriculture’s new ‘Christmas Tree’ tax that was approved yesterday. I thought it was a joke. It wasn’t. One can only laugh at the absurdity of the government getting involved in such a matter. But it’s happening more and more. You see, the United States is on a one-way collision course with its financial judgment day; the country long ago passed the historical point of no return– the point at which it has to start borrowing money simply to pay interest on the money it has already borrowed. Throughout history, countries that passed this point of no return soon defaulted on their debts, entered into extended periods of severe inflation, or both. This is nothing new– the idea of a government going bankrupt is practically as old as the concept of government itself. Along the way as they slide down the slippery slope of economic calamity, governments typically hit the accelerator by resorting to financial repression; rather than making the economy open and attractive to talented people and investment capital, they instead confiscate, inflate, and overregulate. These tactics include oldies but goodies like civil asset forfeiture, capital controls, and a host of whacky new taxes. Like a Christmas Tree tax, for example. Sumptuary laws (regulation and taxes over lifestyle habits) are quite common, dating back to the Renaissance period ‘beard taxes’. If you wore a beard during the time of Peter the Great in Russia, or Henry VIII in England, you paid a tax to the government for the privilege. There are many modern day equivalents of the beard tax– taxes on cigarettes, mobile phones, vehicles, luxury goods, etc. We should expect the introduction of even more– a national sales tax, an Internet tax, a carbon emissions tax, and a financial transactions tax. After this, the next mind-boggling category of taxes that will be introduced are ‘social taxes’. In other words, you get taxed on what everyone else is doing… like an anti-terrorism security tax, or better yet, national healthcare where you pay for other people to go to the doctor. During the Tokugawa period in feudal Japan, they called this ‘honto mononari’. Village peasants were taxed by the local daimyo on the basis of the entire village’s rice yield for that season. Even if you didn’t grow a single grain, you still paid. Perhaps the most heinous forms of taxes to come, though, are asset taxes. And at roughly $5 trillion in total value, individual retirement accounts (IRAs) are the lowest hanging fruit that the federal government can grab. It’s not that far-fetched. Argentina has done it. Hungary and Ireland have done it. Even France passed a law last year authorizing the government to use pension fund assets to pay off its debts. And if you recall, the US Treasury raided public pensions this year to tide itself over during the budget debacle. The next step will be for the government to nationalize a portion of IRA assets. They’ll wait for a severe market downturn that wipes a huge chunk from most IRA accounts, blame capitalism for the failure, and then pass a law requiring that X% of IRA funds be held in the ‘safety and security’ of government debt."

11/10/2011 12:47:12 PM

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"Sumptuary laws (regulation and taxes over lifestyle habits) are quite common, dating back to the Renaissance period ‘beard taxes’. If you wore a beard during the time of Peter the Great in Russia, or Henry VIII in England, you paid a tax to the government for the privilege."

That's exactly what this is. Yep

11/10/2011 1:23:36 PM

Holy retard thread

11/10/2011 2:16:49 PM

face is the same person who said practicing and coaching technique do nothing to improve rebounding, its becoming more and more difficult to take anything he says seriously


I mean this isn't going to affect any of us, it's not like christmas trees are going to be priced 15 cents more than normal. this is a self-imposed tax upon growers to fund a joint campaign to promote live trees. it's like joining a fraternity and paying dues that go to organizing parties and social events. they elected to do this on their own. If you can't see this then you're just blinded by some sort of weird obamahate

how are we even discussing this?

[Edited on November 10, 2011 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2011 2:22:52 PM

why doesnt face link us to the blogs he pulls these articles from?

11/10/2011 2:30:52 PM

11/10/2011 3:25:29 PM

they ought to put a $20 tax on those stupid plastic ones

11/10/2011 3:47:02 PM

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"Now I can understand no count yankee republicans somehow being against this but us decent folks from North Carolina should be in full support of promoting real Christmas tree sales. Speak up if you are too slow to know why and need a picture painted for you...."

WTF does being from the north or the south have to do with any part of this argument? Furthermore, what are you even trying to say?

Quote :

"NO COUNT YANKEE"

And I fucking hate fake trees. I get a real one every year, a beautiful 7-8 foot douglas fir

11/10/2011 3:51:16 PM

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"why doesnt face link us to the blogs he pulls these articles from?"

lol. its from zero hedge, just like everything else he posts.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/jim-demint-explains-obamas-brand-new-christmas-tree-tax

11/10/2011 3:56:42 PM

^^ North Carolina is one of the top producers of Christmas trees, if not number one.

11/10/2011 4:33:00 PM

Christmas tax? SOUNDS LIKE THE WORK OF A SECRET MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!

11/10/2011 4:36:19 PM

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"obviously the OP quote was biased but this Christmas tree tax is some stupid shit."

11/10/2011 4:40:27 PM

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"WTF does being from the north or the south have to do with any part of this argument? Furthermore, what are you even trying to say?"

It's a North Carolina thing. We wouldn't expect you people to understand.

11/10/2011 5:12:38 PM

Find out how much the republicans want to raise your taxes if they don't extend the payroll tax cut using this calculator



http://tinyurl.com/cxwvwbq

11/29/2011 8:47:49 PM

Quote :

"look at all these clowns not knowin bout checkoff programs"

This.

11/29/2011 8:52:59 PM

Quote :

"^^ North Carolina is one of the top producers of Christmas trees, if not number one."

Honestly, I've never seen a Christmas tree farm in the North Carolina. However, when I lived in Connecticut when I was young, our house was across the street from a Christmas Tree farm.

11/29/2011 9:05:33 PM

Find out for how long pryderi would Lewinsky Obama if he could here:

http://tinyurl.com/ytn85d

11/29/2011 9:08:15 PM

^^ Have you ever been up 421 like ever?

11/29/2011 9:10:34 PM

so this is a tax on christmas trees that growers will supposedly pay for? obviously it will be passed on to the buyer. so my question is why should taxpayers fund an ad campaign for christmas trees?

11/29/2011 9:11:15 PM

^^^^Clearly you have done your homework.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 9:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 9:11:29 PM

^^ While we're at it, why should we fund campaign ads for Pop-tarts, Viagra, or Hondas? Down with all marketing

11/29/2011 9:16:17 PM

^^^yes, now when you purchase a christmas tree its going to be $70.15

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 9:17 PM. Reason : you fucking people]

11/29/2011 9:17:17 PM

well obviously i don't give a shit about paying $.15 more. it's the fucking principle.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 9:29 PM. Reason : sdf]

11/29/2011 9:23:39 PM

i will boycott any product for which i see an advertisement

STOP FORCING ME TO PAY FOR YOUR ADS

11/29/2011 9:51:20 PM

Things we learned ITT:

1. that face is a laughable source of information
2. the mechanics of checkoff programs
3. that Pat doesn't look out the left or right side of his car when going to the nc mountains

11/29/2011 9:53:50 PM

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" it's the fucking principle."

what fucking principle? you didnt actually think my post was serious did you? its a self-imposed tax that growers are putting on themselves to advertise live trees

same fucking thing as "the incredible edible egg" or "beef, its whats for dinner"

11/29/2011 9:59:17 PM

THOSE ARE SOCIALIST PROGRAMS

11/29/2011 10:01:06 PM

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"3. that Pat doesn't look out the left or right side of his car when going to the nc mountains "

hahaha

11/29/2011 10:02:22 PM

it's a self-imposed tax that will ultimately be passed on to the consumer.

someone please explain to me why the government needs to be involved here.

11/29/2011 10:03:01 PM

please tell me how its going to be passed on to the consumer? trees marked up 15 cents?

11/29/2011 10:05:21 PM

yes

it's a meaningless subsidy.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 10:07 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 10:06:01 PM

Quote :

"self-imposed"

Quote :

"self-imposed"

11/29/2011 10:07:09 PM

well that sounds completely reasonable

11/29/2011 10:07:13 PM

it won't affect your life in the least, now you're just looking for something to complain about


I mean fox news doesnt even give a shit, unreasonable people even find nothing here, find something real to gripe about

11/29/2011 10:08:18 PM

i know that it won't affect me personally. if you knew anything about me, you would realize that my beliefs aren't based on personal benefit. i just don't understand why anyone would defend it. why should we let the little things slide? it's just another stupid example of what lobbyists can get away with

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 10:16 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 10:14:39 PM

Quote :

"so this is a tax on christmas trees that growers will supposedly pay for? obviously it will be passed on to the buyer. so my question is why should taxpayers fund an ad campaign for christmas trees?"

SMH SMH SMH SMH SMH SMH SMH SMH

jesus, it's people like you that are the reason this country is in the shitter.

11/29/2011 10:17:34 PM

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"jesus, it's people like you that are the reason this country is in the shitter."

do elaborate

i would love for someone to explain why i'm wrong. i'm not hard-headed.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 10:22 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 10:18:57 PM

why? you wouldn't understand it if i explained it to you anyways.

11/29/2011 10:23:02 PM

this is something they chose to do, how do you not understand that

11/29/2011 10:23:43 PM